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Tall ship Astrid hits rocks off Cork coast

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    #32
    fergal.b
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    darksideboo wrote: »
    just to reply , to the many people who appear to have picked up my response incorrectly . IF you actually read my post you will see that I and everyone else are full of praise and admiration for those that were part of the rescue and the medical care of the survivors involved .
    That was carried out by professional people be they volunteers or are paid to do that job function.

    The Mummies and the luvvies in the Yacht clubs didnt save them .

    Quit with the trolling or you will be sent back to the darkside.




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    #33
    calnand
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    yiddo59 wrote: »
    Great pic. How do I get there to take pics from land?

    Head from summercove past Charles fort and take the first right and continue down this road. Be sure to ask for permission before you start crossing through fields and be carefully not to get too close to the clifftop.


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    #34
    Conchir
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    It's a real shame to see a tall ship sink, such history and such a great vessel.

    Yesterday I put mixed petrol into the 4 stroke rib for instructing but after seeing this it sort of put it into perspective :pac:


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    #35
    yiddo59
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    calnand wrote: »
    Head from summercove past Charles fort and take the first right and continue down this road. Be sure to ask for permission before you start crossing through fields and be carefully not to get too close to the clifftop.

    Thanks very much. Might take a trip down there tomorrow.


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    #36
    BailMeOut
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    yiddo59 wrote: »
    Thanks very much. Might take a trip down there tomorrow.

    Best way to see it would be from a boat and there is a really good boat rental company at the Trident Hotel. see http://www.kinsaleboathire.ie/. I am going to head out this week with my kids.


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    #37
    fergal.b
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    I don't think the cliff would be the safest place to go and have a look and would hate to hear of another rescue going on there one slip and you might be getting a closer look than you hoped for :eek:

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    Photo from https://www.facebook.com/TheSouthernStarWestCork



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    #38
    PhoenixParker
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    Mummies and luuvies in a yacht club?
    He's clearly never been in a yacht club.

    Sailing in Ireland isn't for the faint hearted.
    It's generally involves hard work while getting wet, cold and covered in bruises.
    It's a heck of a lot of fun, but it's not glamorous in the slightest and it doesn't attract the sort of people who are concerned with looking perfect at all (any . . .) times. Except for those sailing the smallest dinghies, every sailor is also a member of a team, and won't hold their position long if they're not the sort of person who is constantly keeping an eye out for what needs to be done, and making sure it gets done.

    Now granted there are many members of yacht clubs who don't actually sail, and they may fall into the mummies and luuvies bracket somewhat, but the vast majority are practical people who enjoy a physical challenge.

    Anyone not assisting fellow mariners in distress would never be able to show their face at the yacht club again. The idea that help would be offered or withheld based on someone's accent or background would be hilarious, except that it illustrates the mis-perceptions people have about the sailing community.


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    #39
    [Deleted User]
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    Went out to the wreck today in a RIB. The navy are patrolling it and you can't get any closer than 200m.


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    #40
    EhBenDisDonc
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭EhBenDisDonc


    Well done to everyone who welcomed crew into their homes last night.


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    #41
    Míshásta
    Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Míshásta


    Well done to everyone involved in the successful rescue.

    BUT WHY IS NO ONE ASKING THE QUESTION WHY SUCH AN ACCIDENT HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

    All of the reporting I have heard or read concentrates on the rescue. The Examiner's coverage is very disappointing.

    Is it true that the Astrid had already had engine trouble?

    Should she have sailed knowing that there were strong winds blowing onshore?

    Should she have had a local pilot with knowledge of local hazards?

    Should a tug or at least a boat with a strong engine been in attendance?

    Were unnecessary risks taken just to keep to the timetable of leading a flotilla into Kinsale at a predetermined time?

    Why are the media not asking questions of nautical experts and marine surveyors about the incident?

    Now I must add I'm not an experienced sailor - so maybe some of my questions may get a sharp retort from some of the more experienced mariners here. But they are questions that are being raised locally.


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    #42
    Tabnabs
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    Míshásta wrote: »
    Why are the media not asking questions of nautical experts and marine surveyors about the incident?

    Because it's not the job of the media to investigate the matter. The right people to do this are the Marine Casualty Investigation Board and they were mobilised the day of the sinking.


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    #43
    EhBenDisDonc
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    Agree with Tabnabs. These are all good questions that people are certainly asking privately. But media speculation is not helpful in these situations, except perhaps in the specialised press, and the MAIB report will be thorough and publicly reported.


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    #44
    LiamoSail
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    I don't know the area, but was it a case that she sailed unnecessarily close to coast, thus reducing the time she had to get out of difficulty when she lost the main engine?

    Also, I haven't seen any reference to her trying to drop the anchor, only references to trying to get a tow. Did she drop the hook at all anyone know?


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    #45
    BailMeOut
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    some more info in the indo
    he Marine Casualty Investigation Board's probe will focus on the ship's course, the condition of its diesel fuel and its engine.

    The strong tides and a 30-knot wind were also instrumental in preventing the crew from saving the stricken brig.

    After the engine failure, Captain de Kam ordered extra sails to be raised and issued a mayday alert.

    However, the ship was about 1km from a rocky headland and was quickly driven by currents and winds on to cliffs.

    'Heartbroken' captain to assist inquiry into sinking of 'Astrid'

    I wonder was it sailing inside or outside of the Sovereign Island on its way into the harbour?


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    #46
    Tabnabs
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    Interesting press release from Sail Training Ireland (http://www.irishsailtraining.com/Portals/3/News/Media%20Reports/Dutch%20Tall%20Ship%20Astrid%2025th%20July%20-%20Press%20Release.pdf)
    The Dutch Tall Ship Astrid was on a voyage from Southampton to Cherbourg calling in to Kinsale. On board were 23 trainees from France, Ireland, the Netherlands, UK and Spain. The crew was from Belgium and the captain, Pieter de Kam was from the Netherlands. As the Astrid was leaving Oysterhaven, as part of The Gathering Cruise parade of sail in to Kinsale, the vessel experienced engine failure, and found herself drifting onto a lee-shore. Not being able to turn without power, she ran aground.

    They notified a nearby RIB which was being helmed by ISA (Irish Sailing Association) CEO Harry Hermon. The RIB attempted to take a line from Astrid however due to the onshore winds and swell this was not possible.

    Captain de Kam issued a May Day. The ISA RIB and the yachts in The Gathering Cruise flotilla stood by until the RNLI arrived. There was a safe rescue of all 30 crew who were brought to Kinsale on board the yacht Spirit of Oysterhaven and the lifeboat. All crew were brought to Kinsale Yacht Club where they were provided with showers, food and dry clothing. They were all medically checked and are in good health.


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    #47
    Míshásta
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    They had been at a BBQ organised by the Oysterhaven Centre the previous evening. They were leaving Oysterhaven bound Kinsale.

    "The Oysterhaven Centre is hosting a barbecue this Tuesday evening and the boats led by the Spirit of Oysterhaven will sail in company in to Kinsale Harbour midday Wednesday"

    http://www.southernstar.ie/News/The-Gathering-Cruise-rallies-in-Kinsale-this-Wednesday-July-24th-23072013.htm


    The media always speculate as to the reasons for accidents - road, rail or sea. I don't see how this is any different.

    The Crosbies of the Examiner have always been involved in sailing. Why don't they ask their friends in the RCYC?


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    #48
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    They sailed inside the Sovereigns. I think the Captain probably cut the corner too much leaving him little time to react in case of engine trouble. With a strong tide and onshore wind he really should have went outside the Sovereigns. Since it was a tall ship putting up the sails would have been very slow and they don't beat very well (sail upwind which was required on the day due to the wind direction). A tug or pilot with local knowledge should not have been necessary. The captain should be well capable of assessing the wind, tide and navigational hazards in relation to his vessels maneuverability and make a safe passage plan from these factors.


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    #49
    Stheno
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    Astrid unlikely to be repaired as a sailing training vessel

    IT reporting that it will be salvaged, but unlikely to ever sail as a training ship again as the cost of repairs is very high


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    #50
    Míshásta
    Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Míshásta


    MAXFANTANA wrote: »
    They sailed inside the Sovereigns. I think the Captain probably cut the corner too much leaving him little time to react in case of engine trouble. With a strong tide and onshore wind he really should have went outside the Sovereigns. Since it was a tall ship putting up the sails would have been very slow and they don't beat very well (sail upwind which was required on the day due to the wind direction). A tug or pilot with local knowledge should not have been necessary. The captain should be well capable of assessing the wind, tide and navigational hazards in relation to his vessels maneuverability and make a safe passage plan from these factors.

    Thanks for that info. Maxfantana.


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    #51
    Tim the Enchanter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Tim the Enchanter


    A very eerie photo of her from the IT website.

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    #52
    fergal.b
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    More sad news from https://www.facebook.com/CrosshavenCoastGuard it looks like some toe rags have stolen the ships compass:mad:


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    If you spot it I'm sure the Garda would love to hear from you.


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    #53
    Skuxx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭Skuxx


    Just a few photos from some happy times I spent on Astrid!!

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    #54
    fergal.b
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    Looks like the wheel and bell have also been stolen :mad: http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/07/30/astrid-plundered/





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    #55
    HeidiHeidi
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    fergal.b wrote: »
    Looks like the wheel and bell have also been stolen :mad: http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/07/30/astrid-plundered/





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    Oh FFS :mad::mad::mad:

    What sort of ****ers do that?

    Thought the navy were maintaining an exclusion zone? Or has that ended?

    I'm heading West Cork way this weekend... I wonder will it still be there, and would it be worth a detour to have a look? The recovery job could be an interesting watch, if it were possible to find out when it was going to be.....


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    #56
    fergal.b
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    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    Oh FFS :mad::mad::mad:

    What sort of ****ers do that?

    Thought the navy were maintaining an exclusion zone? Or has that ended?

    I'm heading West Cork way this weekend... I wonder will it still be there, and would it be worth a detour to have a look? The recovery job could be an interesting watch, if it were possible to find out when it was going to be.....

    They are just waiting for the insurers to sign the check :)http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/coast-guard-presses-astrids-insurers-for-prompt-removal-of-shipwreck-238294.html


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    #57
    Skuxx
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    Just a few more photos I dug out!!

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    #58
    fergal.b
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    I'd love to see his prop get fouled up in the rigging and have the RNLI pick them up and bring them back to base for a lesson on lifejackets, then I can go and nick their boat :D

    Photo from Irish coast guard. https://www.facebook.com/IrishCoastGuard?hc_location=stream

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    #59
    fergal.b
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    Looks like a case of "Don't believe everything you read on FB" :D
    Photo again from https://www.facebook.com/OceanaddictsDiveLiveaboard


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    #60
    pedroeibar1
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    Idiots - I've posted my comments over on the Maritime thread here


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    fergal.b
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    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    Idiots - I've posted my comments over on the Maritime thread here

    It's all very strange, if anyone should know the rules on salvage they should :confused:




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