Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

H3llR4iser · 09-07-2019 11:40am

naughtb4 wrote: »

I think violence against anyone regardless of gender is a bad thing.

But surely instead of an "epidemic" it is actually at a historically low level?

Exactly - like on many other subject - from poverty to wars, from air travel safety to health, there is a widespread belief that we're at the "worst point in history" when the reality is the polar opposite; The fact is that now, thanks to uselessly invasive media, we know about every single thing happening around; Combine it with ignorance, stupidity and the frankly daft idea that "we live to suffer" promoted by a number of religions, and you have the most classic of pessimistic cultures.

Recent example - a lot of people are certain there's something inherently wrong with aviation safety and that planes are falling from the skies like dead flies; The recent issues with the 737-MAX8 don't help, yet numbers don't lie - air travel is the safest it's ever been.

However,each single incident - even those who result in no casualties and hardly any property damage - get extensive media coverage. Compound it with ignorance about the subject matter and a widespread fear of flying (in some countries more than others), and hey presto, "get on a plane - you're going to die". I've spoken to people who haven't taken a holiday in years because they're "scared of all the crashes".

Interesting fact is, I don't actually believe there to be any "agenda" behind this originally, it's just an unexpected effect; What's going on, however, is that there ARE individuals and organizations who are taking advantage of the phenomena and embark in a fear mongering, facts-distortion campaign.

Cue back to the "extreme right / conservatives" political movements rising back from the deep grave they had been rightfully confined to...

...Ghost... · 09-07-2019 11:50am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i heard something on the radio yesterday i think. only caught a small bit of it.
they said 2 out of every 3 reported cases are fmale victims and 1/3 male victims. then said they estimate that 1 in5 women report it and 1 in 20 men report it.

if you work that out to estiamted total levels then that shows that men are victims twice as often as women

I would assume that men are more often victims of mental/emotional abuse, as their female partners will use the most effective tools in their arsenal. Emotional abuse is far more sinister and much more difficult to prove. In lots of cases, it starts with nagging and over time it becomes controlling and abusive to the point where the victim has no confidence and becomes little more than an abused house dog.

The double standards and statistics being revealed, but ignored are genuinely jaw dropping.

...Ghost... · 09-07-2019 12:32pm

iptba wrote: »

Has anyone any info on this? I'm not sure I was aware of it.

Important Disclaimer: I consider myself to be a very tolerant person in general. I am a straight hetero-sexual male (born male) with a wife and kids.....not married by the church, but have Christian beliefs and values. I hold the view that kids are best raised by a mother and a father, but I accept this is not always possible. I don't inflict my beliefs on others either. I am accepting of peoples sexual preference and will call a person by their preferred male/female preference. I draw the line at other titles and I believe you are born a male, or a female, regardless of your preference.

At my daughters school, they sent home the note about the upcoming sex ed and a leaflet to outline what would be taught. And while I accept other peoples preference, I vehemently disagree with the tripe they were offering up as sex ed. Their aim is to not only normalise, but seemingly promote same sex relationships. There was more information about same sex relationships and gender identity/reassignment than there was about sex between a man and a woman.

Why not teach the basics.....explain and encourage safe-sex with any gender and have a website with unbiased information they can access for further information? We could not in good conscience expose our child to that state sponsored nonsense. We teach our kids about choice and inform them that others make different choices and have different preferences.....but we don't try pretend that it is "normal" for boys to dress like girls. It is "different"....it is "okay" and it is nothing to be ashamed of, but it is not "normal" in our opinion. I think to teach nonsense to our kids we are doing them a great dis-service and setting them up for far more complicated and confusing young lives than is already ahead of them.

I hope I have not offended anyone, faux or otherwise. But while I do accept that there are people who fit the description which I do not classify as "normal", I want to be clear that I respect that others have their own opinions and views on what is "normal" and I don't judge people based on their preference, even if I don't understand it.

Wibbs · 09-07-2019 3:44pm

maybe

...Ghost... wrote: »

I am a straight hetero-sexual male (born male)

That this is something you felt you had to qualify G says much about the rabbit hole we've gone down as a culture.

And while I accept other peoples preference, I vehemently disagree with the tripe they were offering up as sex ed. Their aim is to not only normalise, but seemingly promote same sex relationships. There was more information about same sex relationships and gender identity/reassignment than there was about sex between a man and a woman.

If that is the case G, complain about it, try and find other parents who feel the same way and make your voices heard. It's the only way you can hope to change things. Use the weapons of the so called "progressives" against them.

Reviews and Books Galore · 09-07-2019 5:30pm

We spend €17,000,000 per annum in services to abused women, we spend €750-850k on male victims. End qoute

I would love to know where that moneys going.

Kimsang · 09-07-2019 5:51pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

I would assume that men are more often victims of mental/emotional abuse, as their female partners will use the most effective tools in their arsenal.

Prominent people seem to agree.

Erin Pizzey(known for having started the first domestic violence shelter in the modern world, Chiswick Women's Aid, in 1971) argued that women were equally capable of being violent. She became ostracized from the society that she created.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF3jg4IM8q4

Jonathon Haidt's work points to this;
While boys can fight and make-up, without resentment;
He argues girls don't have this outlet. In the age of social media, the amount of abuse and bullying they bestow on others highlights this.

It genuinely seems to be an epidemic for young girls due to the effects of social media(bullying each other)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI6rX96oYnY

the_pen_turner · 09-07-2019 5:55pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

I would assume that men are more often victims of mental/emotional abuse, as their female partners will use the most effective tools in their arsenal. Emotional abuse is far more sinister and much more difficult to prove. In lots of cases, it starts with nagging and over time it becomes controlling and abusive to the point where the victim has no confidence and becomes little more than an abused house dog.

The double standards and statistics being revealed, but ignored are genuinely jaw dropping.

i dont know the breakdown but i would tend to agree that your right

Calhoun · 12-07-2019 11:55am

Looks like the media is caught up on what it should be more outraged on the fact that the head of the EC wants to force gender balance of that Leo won't totally appoint a woman over Phil Hogan.

People then wonder why anti eu sentiment grows.

...Ghost... · 12-07-2019 2:27pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Looks like the media is caught up on what it should be more outraged on the fact that the head of the EC wants to force gender balance of that Leo won't totally appoint a woman over Phil Hogan.

People then wonder why anti eu sentiment grows.

The indo don't employ spell checkers, do they? Their article is littered with errors including "Me Varadkar warmed businesses to prepare for Brexit. " :rolleyes:

Feminists always crying over what they don't have and ignore the fact that many women hold positions of power.

razorblunt · 12-07-2019 2:35pm

tritium wrote: »

I see there’s a business in the Stephens Green centre advertising outside the centre with a picture of a lady looking up a mans kilt for the past few days. Given up skirting is due to be a criminal offense soon I don’t think I’m reaching to call this unacceptable?

That's actually an incredibly insulting thing to do, I live in Scotland and lads on their way to formal parties in the city might pass groups, particularly at Xmas and this would happen. In fairness, one time, police saw it and took the woman aside for a chat it seemed.

The question of what's under is always asked but thats where the line is left.

Reviews and Books Galore · 13-07-2019 10:23am

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/17760155.amp/

I'm sure a chair to make women sit more ladylike would go down wonderfully.

What's shocking is that the Madrid metro banned man spreading. It seems pretty obvious that a mans hips don't work the same way as a woman's and he would need to sit differently.

IMO, I'd be curious about the long term.health effects if sitting in a way that is negative to your biology.

Calhoun · 13-07-2019 3:47pm

May have just painted a huge Target on her head. It's not a very practical chair either as it's quite large.

...Ghost... · 13-07-2019 4:08pm

I think she nick-named it the "nut cracker".

silverharp · 13-07-2019 4:18pm

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Calhoun · 13-07-2019 4:52pm

As I said it's not really news has only got kudos because of its sexism.

This will put a target on her one Google of her name and you have her Instagram ECT.

However it's a small item and will probably be ignored .

Sleepy · 16-07-2019 4:34pm

That chair looks designed to cause infertility problems tbh.

Reviews and Books Galore · 16-07-2019 4:49pm

I honestly can't sit in that position for a long time or my hips start to click, but maybe that's just me.

IMO, this is pretty disgusting with the name nut cracker. Its like a chair to make women more masculine called FGM.

Tbh, I'm only annoyed that it was endorsed by an education board as it sets a pretty toxic precedent.

The Specialist · 16-07-2019 5:47pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I honestly can't sit in that position for a long time or my hips start to click, but maybe that's just me.

IMO, this is pretty disgusting with the name nut cracker. Its like a chair to make women more masculine called FGM.

Tbh, I'm only annoyed that it was endorsed by an education board as it sets a pretty toxic precedent.

Education as a whole has become toxic and a breeding ground for cretins like this one. Critical thought is a taboo and only the extreme ends of diversity are championed and celebrated now - if you are a normal man or woman there must be something wrong with you. It will eat itself eventually though and the backlash when (not if) it happens is going to be something to behold.

...Ghost... · 18-07-2019 10:59am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I honestly can't sit in that position for a long time or my hips start to click, but maybe that's just me.

IMO, this is pretty disgusting with the name nut cracker. Its like a chair to make women more masculine called FGM.

Tbh, I'm only annoyed that it was endorsed by an education board as it sets a pretty toxic precedent.

That was a joke

Pawwed Rig · 18-07-2019 12:15pm

I have yet to hear the words manspreading or mansplaining in real life outside of the internet.

ancapailldorcha · 18-07-2019 3:30pm

maybe

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I have yet to hear the words manspreading or mansplaining in real life outside of the internet.

That in itself is cause for encouragement.

Less time online would do a lot of people immense good.

source · 18-07-2019 3:32pm

No

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I have yet to hear the words manspreading or mansplaining in real life outside of the internet.

I have, unfortunately, heard mansplaining IRL, but not the other.

Calhoun · 18-07-2019 3:35pm

source wrote: »

I have, unfortunately, heard mansplaining IRL, but not the other.

Normally used by ignorant people who want to control the conversation.

H3llR4iser · 18-07-2019 3:51pm

If I heard somebody using the term "mansplaining" outside of the cesspits of the internet and especially directed to me, I'd make a point of refusing to talk to said person for any circumstances lesser than a raging fire in the building.

...Ghost... · 18-07-2019 3:54pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

If I heard somebody using the term "mansplaining" outside of the cesspits of the internet and especially directed to me, I'd make a point of refusing to talk to said person for any circumstances lesser than a raging fire in the building.

Presumably to tell them it's a false alarm and to go back inside and wait for the noise to go away.

H3llR4iser · 18-07-2019 4:06pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

Presumably to tell them it's a false alarm and to go back inside and wait for the noise to go away.

Ahahah...it's an idea I hadn't thought about.

Funny story - as it's unfortunately not unusual in these cases, when we established the fire safety protocol at the office...no women volunteered to be fire marshals; So for over one year, every single fire marshal was a man.

During the all hands meeting to introduce the policies a few women protested that it was wrong that all marshals were men, as they need to check nobody is left trapped in the toilets and they might walk in on one of them not being fully dressed. The obvious response would've been "why didn't you volunteer so?", but the guy doing the presentation had an even better one - "either a dude sees you with your pants down or you die burning slowly and painfully. Your choice...". Oddly, the argument died on the spot.

There are now two women in the team, new ladies who joined the company and were marshals already at their previous jobs.

the_pen_turner · 18-07-2019 7:31pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I have yet to hear the words manspreading or mansplaining in real life outside of the internet.

sadly i have heard mansplaining said in conversation on multiple times and from at least 2 if not 3 indeviduels

Padraig Mor · 21-07-2019 11:27am

Letter in the Irish Times the other day that I found jaw dropping in its sexism.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/women-only-professorships-1.3960553

"Sir, – In examining the new female-only professorships scheme, Muireann Lynch and Selina McCoy argue that we would be better off tackling gender inequality by changing the Stem (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) stereotypes that shape education and career choices from childhood (“Will female-only professorships make the difference?”, Opinion & Analysis, July 15th).

There are many programmes aimed at fostering interest in Stem among young students, often with targets for increasing the participation of girls. However, there is also a growing concern expressed by female scientists about the ethics of encouraging female students into a career where they will face discrimination and [will] be held back by bias from achieving their potential.

Specific attitudes held by parents, teachers and thus children about the suitability of girls for Stem subjects are simply a specific manifestation of the broader unconscious bias held by society that affects all women. This unconscious bias supports the presumption that men are more able and holds men to a lower standard. This is the reason that women are missing from the professoriate.

Increasing the number of female professors from 116 to 161 (compared to 400 male professors), in subject areas with few female professors, will change the dynamic in those departments and in our understanding of women as research leaders. The dramatic nature of the intervention has focused attention on how much effort is needed for universities to see real change.

Ultimately we will achieve gender equality when unconscious bias no longer limits women’s achievements. Girls and boys will choose careers in line with their interests and aptitudes, and go on to succeed based on their merits.

For now, Minister of State for Higher Education Mary Mitchell O’Connor’s scheme is a bold move with high impact. – Yours, etc,"

[my emphasis added]

Note the quite extreme use of language here - [all] women *will* face discrimination and *will* be held back because of their gender. [All] men in academia *are* held to a lower standard and only got the job because they're men. How do their male colleagues in NUIG feel about this?

Of course NUIG was the ultimate source of this move, with the Sheehy Skeffington case - where she won a discrimination case despite - in essence - admitting that the men who got jobs ahead of her were better.

STEM in academia is an area of which I have plenty of experience, and many contacts therein. The simple fact of the matter is that reality is the opposite of what the letter writers claim. It's normally easier for a woman to land a job - departments will fall over themselves to hire them given the rabid anti-male atmosphere in the universities. But there just aren't that many suitably qualified women out there! And inevitably, the women (and it is all women) who crib and cry about not getting promoted and sexism etc are the same ones who come in at 10am and are out the gap again at 3 to collect the kids - when they can be bothered to actually turn up at all.

I find the last highlighted sentence bizarre - study after study shows that girls are simply not as interested in men in STEM subjects, and instead choose careers in line with their actual interests - the ultimate reason for lower numbers of women in STEM.

Calhoun · 21-07-2019 1:11pm

I find it bizarre that some people are purposely clingy on to the myth that boys do better than girls when the dropout rates ECT would suggest otherwise.

iptba · 21-07-2019 1:20pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Letter in the Irish Times the other day that I found jaw dropping in its sexism.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/women-only-professorships-1.3960553

"Sir, – In examining the new female-only professorships scheme, Muireann Lynch and Selina McCoy argue that we would be better off tackling gender inequality by changing the Stem (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) stereotypes that shape education and career choices from childhood (“Will female-only professorships make the difference?”, Opinion & Analysis, July 15th).

There are many programmes aimed at fostering interest in Stem among young students, often with targets for increasing the participation of girls. However, there is also a growing concern expressed by female scientists about the ethics of encouraging female students into a career where they will face discrimination and [will] be held back by bias from achieving their potential.

Specific attitudes held by parents, teachers and thus children about the suitability of girls for Stem subjects are simply a specific manifestation of the broader unconscious bias held by society that affects all women. This unconscious bias supports the presumption that men are more able and holds men to a lower standard. This is the reason that women are missing from the professoriate.

Increasing the number of female professors from 116 to 161 (compared to 400 male professors), in subject areas with few female professors, will change the dynamic in those departments and in our understanding of women as research leaders. The dramatic nature of the intervention has focused attention on how much effort is needed for universities to see real change.

Ultimately we will achieve gender equality when unconscious bias no longer limits women’s achievements. Girls and boys will choose careers in line with their interests and aptitudes, and go on to succeed based on their merits.

For now, Minister of State for Higher Education Mary Mitchell O’Connor’s scheme is a bold move with high impact. – Yours, etc,"

[my emphasis added]

Note the quite extreme use of language here - [all] women *will* face discrimination and *will* be held back because of their gender. [All] men in academia *are* held to a lower standard and only got the job because they're men. How do their male colleagues in NUIG feel about this?

Of course NUIG was the ultimate source of this move, with the Sheehy Skeffington case - where she won a discrimination case despite - in essence - admitting that the men who got jobs ahead of her were better.

STEM in academia is an area of which I have plenty of experience, and many contacts therein. The simple fact of the matter is that reality is the opposite of what the letter writers claim. It's normally easier for a woman to land a job - departments will fall over themselves to hire them given the rabid anti-male atmosphere in the universities. But there just aren't that many suitably qualified women out there! And inevitably, the women (and it is all women) who crib and cry about not getting promoted and sexism etc are the same ones who come in at 10am and are out the gap again at 3 to collect the kids - when they can be bothered to actually turn up at all.

I find the last highlighted sentence bizarre - study after study shows that girls are simply not as interested in men in STEM subjects, and instead choose careers in line with their actual interests - the ultimate reason for lower numbers of women in STEM.

A number of people shared it and retweeted it on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fletters%2Fwomen-only-professorships-1.3960553&src=typed_query including the National Women's Council of Ireland

https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/1152143969339531265
https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/1152143970849439744

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