[Bateman]

Originally Posted by odyssey06

Your rules are arbitrary nonsense. There's a difference.

Level doesn't matter remember? Sunday League. Doesn't matter a damn. All that matters is a local team for local people.
Stadium, facilities, professional standards of play, excitement ... a real fan craves not such things.
You can't support Bohemians if you are from Glasnevin, because ... Tolka Rovers. You're not supporting your local team. How could you support two local teams? Makes no sense.

By your rules there's a tiny tiny tiny number of real LOI fans. If you're not in walking distance to the ground then you are probably not a real fan.

This sort of facetiousness is the worst kind of excuse making.

By supporting Bohs you are contributing to Irish football, contributing to facilities, contributing to the concept of there one day being a full-time league in this country to produce competent internationals instead of relying on England to do it for us.

By supporting Tolka Rovers you are again supporting one layer below, to feed well-coached competent young footballers into the senior level.
(1) They're not mutually exclusive,
(2) Junior football in this country is actually extraordinarily well supported and reasonably well-run
(3)it's much easier to point out the financial gap between a trip to England and the effect that cash could have on LOI football than it is to point out some bizarre gap between supporting an LOI team and a junior level team

[D14Rugby]

Originally Posted by odyssey06

Your rules are arbitrary nonsense. There's a difference.

Level doesn't matter remember? Sunday League. Doesn't matter a damn. All that matters is a local team for local people, 11 players on the pitch in the jersey of the community's club.
Stadium, facilities, professional standards of play, excitement ... a real fan craves not such things.
You can't support Bohemians if you are from Glasnevin, because ... Tolka Rovers. You're not supporting your local team. How could you support two local teams? Makes no sense.

By your rules there's a tiny tiny tiny number of real LOI fans. If you're not in walking distance to the ground then you are probably not a real fan.

Is there something about the word both you don't understand?

Supporting a Sunday league and a LOI team are the equivalent of supporting a club and a national team, or a rugby club and a province.

[Bobblehats]

Originally Posted by Bateman

By supporting Bohs you are contributing to Irish football, contributing to facilities, contributing to the concept of there one day being a full-time league in this country to produce competent internationals instead of relying on England to do it for us.

Bohs tick me off, bunch of pork pie hat wearing hipsters. Murals of patron saints of dope / smack aren’t very sporting either of all the legends that played there they choose those two

[Jim Gazebo]

Originally Posted by Bobblehats

Bohs tick me off, bunch of pork pie hat wearing hipsters. Murals of patron saints of dope / smack aren’t very sporting either of all the legends that played there they choose those two

It's an example. What relevance is this?

[Bobblehats]

Originally Posted by Jim Gazebo

It's an example. What relevance is this?

That’s what I thought. Why not Dee Snider

[odyssey06]

Originally Posted by Bateman

This sort of facetiousness is the worst kind of excuse making.
By supporting Bohs you are contributing to Irish football, contributing to facilities, contributing to the concept of there one day being a full-time league in this country to produce competent internationals instead of relying on England to do it for us.

No - the facetiousness and excuse making is in the idea that you can only be a real fan if you have some mystical community connection to your local club. That you must stick to them no matter what level they fall to. Which provokes some absurd questions:
Why start following a LOI team at all if level doesn't matter?
How local is local?
Can you have this deep mystical connection to more than one team?

Of course you can support however many teams you like at whatever level of the pyramid, however local or far. You can support Tolka Rovers, Bohemians and Liverpool, if you like and have that capacity.

Your answers are all to the point of "Why you should support a LOI team", which is a rational position, but totally different to the question of "Why people follow English teams" or "You are only a real fan if X", which is what I was responding to in a provocative manner to demonstrate its absurdity.

[odyssey06]

Originally Posted by D14Rugby

Is there something about the word both you don't understand?
Supporting a Sunday league and a LOI team are the equivalent of supporting a club and a national team, or a rugby club and a province.

No it isn't, someone can't play for Tolka Rovers and Bohemians. How many players have simultaneously played for a LSL team AND a LOI team?
How many players have played for a club and country?
See the obvious difference?
How can a real fan have a deep local mystical connection to two teams? Real fans walk to games! Singing the club's song in close harmony, as the fans hear the song they walk out of their doors, swelling the ranks.

[OMM 0000]

Originally Posted by D14Rugby

Supporting a Sunday league and a LOI team are the equivalent of supporting a club and a national team, or a rugby club and a province.

It's not though.

There are many differences, but here's a big one, and it's a big part of the reason LOI is not mainstream:

There are almost no scum at rugby games.

I can't say the same for LOI games.

Until this is fixed, you're wasting your time.

[Bateman]

Originally Posted by OMM 0000

It's not though.

There are many differences, but here's a big one, and it's a big part of the reason LOI is not mainstream:

There are almost no scum at rugby games.

I can't say the same for LOI games.

Until this is fixed, you're wasting your time.

More stupid excuses

the level of violence in the GAA is absolutely staggering but press coverage of the GAA is almost entirely positive, big difference

By and large if you don’t want trouble you won’t get it at an LOI game

College rugby scene no stranger to fighting either

[OMM 0000]

Originally Posted by Bateman

More stupid excuses

the level of violence in the GAA is absolutely staggering but press coverage of the GAA is almost entirely positive, big difference

By and large if you don’t want trouble you won’t get it at an LOI game

College rugby scene no stranger to fighting either

You're fooling no one by pretending the crowds at LOI games have a comparable level of scum to the crowds at GAA and rugby games.

I know a waste of time when I see one (you're not going to budge on your opinion), so I'm dropping out of this conversation right now.

[Bateman]

Originally Posted by OMM 0000

You're fooling no one by pretending the crowds at LOI games have a comparable level of scum to the crowds at GAA and rugby games.

I know a waste of time when I see one (you're not going to budge on your opinion), so I'm dropping out of this conversation right now.

The GAA club scene regularly sees pretty bad thuggery - I am of course talking about on the pitch rather than off the pitch, if you want to re-enter the discussion and talk about the impact that has on wider society versus 50 lads having a punch up on the street away from the ground

[Bateman]

Contributing to Irish football history and wider society. Big difference to switching on your remote or buying a jersey in Lifestyle

[Bateman]

Contributing to Irish football history and wider society. Big difference to switching on your remote or buying a jersey in Lifestyle

[D14Rugby]

Originally Posted by OMM 0000

It's not though.

There are many differences, but here's a big one, and it's a big part of the reason LOI is not mainstream:

There are almost no scum at rugby games.

I can't say the same for LOI games.

Until this is fixed, you're wasting your time.

Oh there are scum at rugby games just a different more subtle kind.
There is very very little trouble at LOI games, I'd go as far as to say less than at EPL games.

[D14Rugby]

Originally Posted by odyssey06

No it isn't, someone can't play for Tolka Rovers and Bohemians. How many players have simultaneously played for a LSL team AND a LOI team?
How many players have played for a club and country?
See the obvious difference?
How can a real fan have a deep local mystical connection to two teams? Real fans walk to games! Singing the club's song in close harmony, as the fans hear the song they walk out of their doors, swelling the ranks.

Well the leagues don't overlap much, there'd quite often be players that's play LOI until the season ends then play LSL for the winter.
The point is they can't meet each other in the league.

Genuine question did a LOI player or fan or something steal your bird at some point to make you so bitter towards it?