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12-07-2019, 09:48   #1936
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No I'll always support Liverpool no matter what nowadays, my point was about being a kid it could have worked out differently had I never seen my team play. I'm too invested at this stage to switch anymore. The team grows on you during those formative years, your first trip to the Stadium, pretending to be your favourite player on the playground etc etc. You wouldn't have become a Rovers fan and followed their results every week without ever seeing them kick a ball would you? If I had never gotten the opportunities to see them play I wouldn't personally just have followed blindly. The fact that TV coverage came in it the time it did facilitated me being a fan. If it didn't I'd probably follow a different team or sport right now or not be interested in soccer at all. TV made it easier and is the reason I'm still a fan today

But that's my personal position. If you want to change the team you support it's up to you, it's each to their own. I don't get the "proper" supporter or "real" supporter argument. You're right, as a supporter you are superior to me, fine for you to feel that way I just don't get it.

Doesn't stop me loving my team and getting a lot a joy out of following them and feeling pride right now being Champions of Europe

I hope you get the same joy watching your team
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12-07-2019, 10:43   #1937
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"Little boys in the park , jumpers for goalposts, hmm football innit"
Right, didn't you pretend to be your favourite players?
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No I'll always support Liverpool no matter what nowadays, my point was about being a kid it could have worked out differently had I never seen my team play. I'm too invested at this stage to switch anymore. The team grows on you during those formative years, your first trip to the Stadium, pretending to be your favourite player on the playground etc etc. You wouldn't have become a Rovers fan and followed their results every week without ever seeing them kick a ball would you? If I had never gotten the opportunities to see them play I wouldn't personally just have followed blindly. The fact that TV coverage came in it the time it did facilitated me being a fan. If it didn't I'd probably follow a different team or sport right now or not be interested in soccer at all. TV made it easier and is the reason I'm still a fan today

But that's my personal position. If you want to change the team you support it's up to you, it's each to their own. I don't get the "proper" supporter or "real" supporter argument. You're right, as a supporter you are superior to me, fine for you to feel that way I just don't get it.

Doesn't stop me loving my team and getting a lot a joy out of following them and feeling pride right now being Champions of Europe

I hope you get the same joy watching your team
So you're telling me that as a kid you consciously watched every single Liverpool game including every friendly and if you couldn't do that you would have just moved to another club?
Supporting a club is about having an actual connection to that club, feeling everything that happens, like it or not being able to watch them on TV isn't a connection.
If you can just change your team then you were never really a supporter of that club that's just how it is. If you have an actual connection to the club and not some fabricated one then that's just not something that is physically possible to do. That's why you get people that don't support anyone after their club goes bust and why you get phoenix clubs because people have actual connections to the club.

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I guess it's the lack of major clubs locally that spurs the support for the "big and famous" ones; Being England close and sharing the same language most people here end up supporting Liverpool, United and whatnot. Also, while at an United match in Dublin two years ago I got to talk to a few people and all seemed to have some sort of connection to the team: their parents used to live in Manchester, moved back to Dublin and obviously kept supporting their team; so the children grew up in an Man UTD supporting environment.

You get a similar situation in other places; For example, a staggering amount of people from center and southern Italy support northern teams, especially Juventus FC and Inter Milan. With the exception of Rome and Naples, which have clubs competing at a high level (AS Roma, SS Lazio, SSC Napoli), basically all the other cities have minor clubs who hardly ever even make a dent in Serie A, so people go for the "big ones". Why don't they at least pick the closest big ones (e.g. Roma or Napoli) is due to history (no one in Italy won more than Juventus, Milan and Inter Milan) and petty local rivalries.
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I'm a Tipperary native who travels down to watch Waterford FC my local team.. absolutely love it nothing beats live football and I grew up supporting Liverpool as sadly the league isn't on any one's radar around me.. I'd urge anyone to at least try a league of Ireland game as the standard is a lot higher than people think.. we had a player in Bastien Hery who has sadly moved to Linfield but he was worth the admission price alone to watch on his day cracking player..
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I guess it's the lack of major clubs locally that spurs the support for the "big and famous" ones; Being England close and sharing the same language most people here end up supporting Liverpool, United and whatnot. Also, while at an United match in Dublin two years ago I got to talk to a few people and all seemed to have some sort of connection to the team: their parents used to live in Manchester, moved back to Dublin and obviously kept supporting their team; so the children grew up in an Man UTD supporting environment.

You get a similar situation in other places; For example, a staggering amount of people from center and southern Italy support northern teams, especially Juventus FC and Inter Milan. With the exception of Rome and Naples, which have clubs competing at a high level (AS Roma, SS Lazio, SSC Napoli), basically all the other cities have minor clubs who hardly ever even make a dent in Serie A, so people go for the "big ones". Why don't they at least pick the closest big ones (e.g. Roma or Napoli) is due to history (no one in Italy won more than Juventus, Milan and Inter Milan) and petty local rivalries.
There are tonnes of major clubs locally, at different periods of time the likes of Rovers, Dundalk, Athlone, Cork (insert version here), Waterford have all been big clubs. People just tend to think of the English clubs as historically being more major because since the 80s at the latest the public (and FAI) have just ignored the national league but before then the big clubs here weren't far off their English counterparts, even in the 80s the likes of Rovers were a match for the likes of Manchester United and there's some great stories from players from that time about when they played them.

I tend to find if you dig deeper to the old "oh I've family from there" one a lot of the time, not all, it doesn't carry. "oh your dads from Manchester what part? I've family from there myself" is quickly followed by "oh I don't know exactly where" or some sort of backtracking.
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So you're telling me that as a kid you consciously watched every single Liverpool game including every friendly and if you couldn't do that you would have just moved to another club?
Nope, didn't say that at all.

Same as I never said that wanting the EPL to be successful doesn't mean I want the LOI to not be successful.
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Many people have said it. I said here multiple times it's because I can watch all games on TV. Home and away, whatever competition.

I'm sitting in my living room now watching Liverpool play a preseason game away from home on LFC TV

You don't have that with Irish teams
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Initially it wasn't a condition. But it's the reason I'm still a fan. Had I not been able to watch every game I probably would have switched to watching a different team that it was easier to watch.

And you don't have to 100% guarantee that. I agree with you. Seeing your team in person week in week out trumps the closeness I feel watching on TV. That's obvious.
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No I'll always support Liverpool no matter what nowadays, my point was about being a kid it could have worked out differently had I never seen my team play. I'm too invested at this stage to switch anymore. The team grows on you during those formative years, your first trip to the Stadium, pretending to be your favourite player on the playground etc etc. You wouldn't have become a Rovers fan and followed their results every week without ever seeing them kick a ball would you? If I had never gotten the opportunities to see them play I wouldn't personally just have followed blindly. The fact that TV coverage came in it the time it did facilitated me being a fan. If it didn't I'd probably follow a different team or sport right now or not be interested in soccer at all. TV made it easier and is the reason I'm still a fan today

But that's my personal position. If you want to change the team you support it's up to you, it's each to their own. I don't get the "proper" supporter or "real" supporter argument. You're right, as a supporter you are superior to me, fine for you to feel that way I just don't get it.

Doesn't stop me loving my team and getting a lot a joy out of following them and feeling pride right now being Champions of Europe

I hope you get the same joy watching your team
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Nope, didn't say that at all.

Same as I never said that wanting the EPL to be successful doesn't mean I want the LOI to not be successful.
"I'm a fan because I can watch everything on tv"
"Being able to watch every game is why I'm still a fan, If I couldn't do that I'd support someone else"
"no I wouldn't swith now I was talking about as a kid"
"As a kid being able to watch every game on tv wasn't important"

So being able to watch every game is so important that if you couldn't do it you'd switch clubs but not now, but when you were a kid, but when you were a kid it wasn't important? Am I getting that right?

You said you'd rather the EPL be successful than the LOI. So given the choice of one or the other being successful you'd pick a foreign league over your own domestic one. That is what you said and it says a lot about you.
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Supporting a club is about having an actual connection to that club, feeling everything that happens, like it or not being able to watch them on TV isn't a connection.
Supporting a club is about FEELING a connection for a club. You can feel a connection to a foreign club, feel everything that happens and this is perfectly normal and happens with most football fans in Ireland. Yes the club doesnt represent where you were born but there's other factors that make you feel connected e.g when you talk about your clubs success or failure with your family and friends
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So being able to watch every game is so important that if you couldn't do it you'd switch clubs but not now, but when you were a kid, but when you were a kid it wasn't important? Am I getting that right?
No, not right. You're not getting it at all, that doesn't make sense.

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You said you'd rather the EPL be successful than the LOI.
I said I'm more interested in the EPL being successful than I have an interest in the LOI being successful.

What you keep trying to argue over and over is that this means that I want the EPL to be more successful than the LOI. I have never said that here, or anywhere.

Wanting the English league to be successful does not mean it has to be at the expense of the LOI. The LOI is free to become the biggest league in the world. All I'm saying is that I have more of an interest in the EPL being a success regardless of what the LOI does. It doesn't interest me as much what they do because I don't support a LOI club. I do not specifically want it to be unsuccessful or less successful or whatever you're trying to argue.

It's honestly astounding that you don't get the difference here and maintain that I want the English league to be more successful than the LOI. Drop it, I'm not saying that and never have.
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Supporting a club is about FEELING a connection for a club. You can feel a connection to a foreign club, feel everything that happens and this is perfectly normal and happens with most football fans in Ireland. Yes the club doesnt represent where you were born but there's other factors that make you feel connected e.g when you talk about your clubs success or failure with your family and friends
I was born very far away from where I grew up same as a lot of people. There's loads of reasons why physical proximity as the sole factor in who you support doesn't work as the definitive factor. If it was the closest team to where I live I'd have had about 10 different supported clubs in my life.
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Also, while at an United match in Dublin two years ago I got to talk to a few people and all seemed to have some sort of connection to the team: their parents used to live in Manchester, moved back to Dublin and obviously kept supporting their team; so the children grew up in an Man UTD supporting environment.
And yet there's a shocking lack of Birmingham City fans, Crystal Palace fans, Everton fans over here.
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And yet there's a shocking lack of Birmingham City fans, Crystal Palace fans, Everton fans over here.
Nothing's stopping you from supporting them if you think there's a lack

Go to Birmingham and London and you'll see United and Liverpool fans, same as here
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No, not right. You're not getting it at all, that doesn't make sense.



I said I'm more interested in the EPL being successful than I have an interest in the LOI being successful.

What you keep trying to argue over and over is that this means that I want the EPL to be more successful than the LOI. I have never said that here, or anywhere.

Wanting the English league to be successful does not mean it has to be at the expense of the LOI. The LOI is free to become the biggest league in the world. All I'm saying is that I have more of an interest in the EPL being a success regardless of what the LOI does. It doesn't interest me as much what they do because I don't support a LOI club. I do not specifically want it to be unsuccessful or less successful or whatever you're trying to argue.

It's honestly astounding that you don't get the difference here and maintain that I want the English league to be more successful than the LOI. Drop it, I'm not saying that and never have.
Glad you acknowledge what youre saying doesn't make sense.

So answer me this. You have the chance to save one league system, the LOI or the EPL and FL. Which do you save since you have more interest in the EPL being successful than the LOI.
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So answer me this. You have the chance to save one league system, the LOI or the EPL and FL. Which do you save since you have more interest in the EPL being successful than the LOI.
What happens to the league that isn't saved, those clubs and those players?
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