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Waterford Station closes after landslide!

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  • #2
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    it looks as if it's taken out the iconic signal box :-( I hope it's just the camera angle!


  • #3
    cbl593h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭cbl593h


    Cue the IR apologists, "shur twas an act of god"............ Minimal maintenance, Cork station canopy part 2.


  • #4
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    cbl593h wrote: »
    Cue the IR apologists, "shur twas an act of god"............ Minimal maintenance, Cork station canopy part 2.

    So should have Irish Rail installed a drainage system or waterproofed the side of an entire hill just in case? :)


  • #5
    cbl593h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭cbl593h


    IÉ have a duty of care to customers/staff/contractors. You take reasonable precautions to make sure rockfaces/platform canopies/viaducts/bridges don't collapse.

    Where's the "sarcasm" smiley :rolleyes:..........

    Dawlish UK- trains one and two here give you the idea...


  • #6
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    is it their roackface though?


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  • #7
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    corktina wrote: »
    it looks as if it's taken out the iconic signal box :-( I hope it's just the camera angle!

    Do you mean the signal box in the photo?

    The big signal box that went over both lines was anchored to a brick pillar anchored to the rock face I think... it looks like the slide might be just to the right of the signal box...

    The rock face was reinforced and covered with rock fall protectors in parts as far as I remember. The rock is a fairly friable shale and with the amount of rainfall in the last few weeks I'm not surprised there has been rock movement. There is water movement from the hill above through the permeable shale so not too sure was their much could have been done to prevent it.

    It is of note that this is now the third main train station that the current conditions have taken out

    Cork Kent station - Wind damage to roof 18/12/2013
    Pearse Station Dublin - Wind damage to roof 13/12/2013
    Waterford - Rockfall


  • #8
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    cbl593h wrote: »
    IÉ have a duty of care to customers/staff/contractors. You take reasonable precautions to make sure rockfaces/platform canopies/viaducts/bridges don't collapse.

    Reasonable being the operative word. Acts of God, extreme weather, shale cliffs and external occupiers of said land are another thing.


  • #9
    BuffyBot
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 24,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    cbl593h wrote: »
    Cue the IR apologists, "shur twas an act of god"............ Minimal maintenance, Cork station canopy part 2.

    I assume you have very specific, and verifiable evidence of negligence on IE's part which lead to this incident? No? Ok then, please don't post such nonsense again.


  • #10
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Two new photos here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88251293&postcount=9


  • #11
    Trick of the Tail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    Another pic:

    69526f41f5afbc07d02bac2c020ac69cd8eda2b5.jpg


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  • #12
    corktina
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    signal box looks undamaged....hope so


  • #13
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    corktina wrote: »
    signal box looks undamaged....hope so

    Bit early to say, the structure behind the brick wall may not be in best shape.


  • #14
    Trick of the Tail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    We'll forgive me, but that rock face is probably sandstone and therefore is not the most stable.

    If no one in CIE had ever thought to have it shored up then that is negligent.

    A bit like when the bridge near Malahide collapsed; that was so nearly a disaster with loss of life, and was largely because CIE hadn't bothered to check it, and had lost the plans anyway.


  • #15
    Sligo Quay
    Registered Users Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Sligo Quay


    Trick of the Tail wrote: »

    If no one in CIE had ever thought to have it shored up then that is negligent.
    .
    Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, everybody is an expert after the event.


  • #16
    Trick of the Tail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    Well companies like CIE employ many people these days, in risk assessment, whose job is to predict things that might happen and take steps to prevent them.

    To foresee hindsight, if you will.

    This is a very important duty when you're dealing with the safety of the public.

    So if that mechanism has failed, in this case, Malahide or others, then something is wrong.


  • #17
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Trick of the Tail wrote: »
    Well companies like CIE employ many people these days, in risk assessment, whose job is to predict things that might happen and take steps to prevent them.

    To foresee hindsight, if you will.

    This is a very important duty when you're dealing with the safety of the public.

    So if that mechanism has failed, in this case, Malahide or others, then something is wrong.

    Stop being a bigget. The area of rock is a lot bigger that the train station. Could of happened anywhere. If it happened on the road near by who's job is it to prevent it from happening?


  • #18
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Stop being a bigget. The area of rock is a lot bigger that the train station. Could of happened anywhere. If it happened on the road near by who's job is it to prevent it from happening?

    They removed the cliff face danger along the road by creating a series of tiers.


  • #19
    Sligo Quay
    Registered Users Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Sligo Quay


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Stop being a bigget. The area of rock is a lot bigger that the train station. Could of happened anywhere. If it happened on the road near by who's job is it to prevent it from happening?
    Exactly, very good post, I'm very familiar with Waterford station traveling in and out of it for years when I worked in Waterford Port. That cliff face has been very secure with gorse growing on it for years as long as I can remember, when you have ''stuff'' growing on a cliff face, it tends to bind it together with its roots, but in places where the cliff face is open and bare with sheer rock, then Irish Rail have secured it, you can see it at Bray Head.
    Waterford couldn't have been predited, now I'm no expert, nether am I a geologist, nor am i a scientist in the study of cliff face, I just see the obvious, cliff face held together for over a hundred years, came apart due to very unusual weather, it could have happened 20years ago and collapsed on 1 of my Bell trains going to the port, some ''faults'' are hiden and are not obvious, but I'm no expert.
    Now ask me anything about shipping.....


  • #20
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Sligo Quay wrote: »
    Now ask me anything about shipping.....

    What is a ship?


  • #21
    Sligo Quay
    Registered Users Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Sligo Quay


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    What is a ship?
    Safest form of transport, no other floats on water, you should read my book on shipping;)


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  • #22
    Losty Dublin
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    Sligo Quay wrote: »
    Safest form of transport,

    Try telling that to Jack Dawson, Robinson Crueso or Lord Nelson :pac:


  • #23
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 12,799 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Is this the same station that had it's platforms flooded last year?


  • #24
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    flazio wrote: »
    Is this the same station that had it's platforms flooded last year?

    Yes the platforms are flooded this evening but not on the same scale.
    They removed the cliff face danger along the road by creating a series of tiers.

    Who did, that still wouldn't stop a landslide, did they not think about doing it all correctly. The flood defence along the quay has increased flooding in the station so another half arsed job.


  • #25
    n0brain3r
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭n0brain3r


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Who did, that still wouldn't stop a landslide, did they not think about doing it all correctly.

    The council or NRA presumably and their responsibility would have ended where the road diverges. Rock slide prevention is its purpose. Its quite striking the contrast in management of the cutting between the road and trackbed frontage. Along the roadway it has been tiered, concrete retaining walls poured, rock bolts installed and vegetation cleared, along the trackbed it looks as if it was left to gorse bushes and chicken wire.


  • #26
    John Denver
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭John Denver


    Anybody from Waterford or is familiar with Plunkett station knows this was just a freak accident. Unfortunately its not until incidents like this that the weaknesses in the cliff face or rock surface can be dealt with!
    IE were saying on WLRfm today that the work could take up to 2 weeks to complete but I think the bay platforms will be in use in a day or 2 but the line down to Belview Port could be out of use for a significant period affecting the DFDS liners.


  • #27
    flyingsnail
    Registered Users Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    John Denver wrote: »
    but the line down to Belview Port could be out of use for a significant period affecting the DFDS liners.

    They could always go the long way around :P


  • #28
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    flyingsnail wrote: »
    They could always go the long way around :P

    Or go back to road and no more contract for IE.


  • #29
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    yep, via Rosslare Strand is it?


  • #30
    Hungerford
    Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    corktina wrote: »
    yep, via Rosslare Strand is it?

    IRN report that the liners will still run through Waterford with hand signalling used due to damage to the manual signalling at Waterford Central.


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  • #31
    Fred Swanson
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