Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

I wonder if Donald welcomes/encourages the move away from Covid19 being the dominant force driving the news cycle to the current protests. I'm not saying its a good look for him but he might think its more familiar comfortable ground for him. Finally back to a conflict he can blame on weak Dem leadership etc. Might explain why he is more willing to fan the flames rather than show leadership to bring the country together (which he obviously has an inability to do anyway but he could at least try).

Cody montana wrote: »

Is he still hiding?

Hiding ? What have I missed and how is he hiding he's in the White House.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Hiding ? What have I missed and how is he hiding he's in the White House.

Hiding by not doing anything to lead. Not physically.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So there's a secure room besides the situation room then ?

Yeah... an allegedly bombproof bunker under the East Wing. It's called the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center).

America must be sick of winning at this stage

kowloonkev wrote: »

You're failing to get an understanding of it but I'll try once more. Imposing sanctions on HK and taking away their trade privileges punishes China, and in particular the political and business classes who use HK to invest and as a place to move their money.

Even as important, China loses face when the international community recognizes that China has failed to keep one country two systems and is repressing HK people. The US and many other nations have recognized this but it is led by the US because without their lead, smaller countries are unlikely to take any action.

The UK is a different situation entirely and one would feel they have an obligation here because it's essentially their fault. The US didn't take HK nor give it back.

Why would Trump move or open an embassy to HK? They are not seeking independence. Comparing it to Israel is bizarre.

More actions are needed against China but declaring that China has broken the agreement is a good start.

Is Israel seeking independence?

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Yes, he's hiding when he should be all over the airwaves leading from the front and working to unite the the nation.

Trump in 2014

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1267333905067257857?s=20

It really is truly appalling the lack of leadership.

He can't give a speech because nobody is going to believe it anyways. Either he will just read it out in the that 3rd Grade book report style of his when he tries to stick to a script or he tries to seem sincere such that he will end up blaming everyone else and talking himself up.

He completely removed himself in relation to Covid, first saying he was in charge, then when facing push back from the governors simply saying it was nothing to do with him and blaming them. He is incapable of looking at anything past himself.

Covid, even the race riots, or actually fairly easy to deal with from a PR POV. Sound empathetic, look concerned and look to bring the nation together. Any difficult issues simply wheel out the line about not being about politics, this is about our sisters, brothers, wives and husbands. Politics can wait.

Almost every other POTUS has done it. Hell even Leo managed it at the start of the lockdown. Doesn't actually mean anything, but it gives people a sense of someone being in overall control in a situation that they have no ability to control.

But that is so far beyond Trump. Even if he wanted to do it, and I actually doubt he does. he knows he doesn't have the ability.

Leroy42 wrote: »

It really is truly appalling the lack of leadership.

He can't give a speech because nobody is going to believe it anyways. Either he will just read it out in the that 3rd Grade book report style of his when he tries to stick to a script or he tries to seem sincere such that he will end up blaming everyone else and talking himself up.

He completely removed himself in relation to Covid, first saying he was in charge, then when facing push back from the governors simply saying it was nothing to do with him and blaming them. He is incapable of looking at anything past himself.

Covid, even the race riots, or actually fairly easy to deal with from a PR POV. Sound empathetic, look concerned and look to bring the nation together. Any difficult issues simply wheel out the line about not being about politics, this is about our sisters, brothers, wives and husbands. Politics can wait.

Almost every other POTUS has done it. Hell even Leo managed it at the start of the lockdown. Doesn't actually mean anything, but it gives people a sense of someone being in overall control in a situation that they have no ability to control.

But that is so far beyond Trump. Even if he wanted to do it, and I actually doubt he does. he knows he doesn't have the ability.

Dan Rather sums up what you said nicely.

fullstop wrote: »

Latest coming out of DC is that, in addition to the White House becoming the Dark House, all live stream cameras have been cut and phone signals jammed. Seems pretty ominous.

What's the context for that? Trump hiding out and they are being overly cautious kinda thing jamming signals and cutting off cameras so that people can live stream or follow what's going to happen or what is happening or where secret service or whoever are etc?

Retro. wrote: »

Didn't George Bush spend a week hiding there after 9/11

But Bush led from there. The most people criticize him for is the several minutes he was left seemingly stunned holding a children’s book.

Trump hiding in his basement while Biden went out to talk to protesters in the street will be the enduring image from this.

Overheal wrote: »

But Bush led from there. The most people criticize him for is the several minutes he was left seemingly stunned holding a children’s book.

Bush *led* from there. Trump is, and has been, in incognito mode. It is arguable that saying and doing nothing is possibly the best contribution he could make right now.

Trump felt he'd look silly in a mask and it would be used by the press and his opponents in political ads, but that's now the least of his problems because now there is a picture of a completely dark White House which is an awful look in a time in America where they need leadership and the place that is supposed to symbolise that leadership is in darkness. I mean it's mana from heaven and you can guarantee the Lincoln project will have that in its next ad.

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Rumours about widespread jamming in D.C. and video feeds having been cut were put out to add to confusion, fear and general destabilisation, I'd say. I don't think we can trust/believe anything from these rumour mills that are trying to add to the chaos.

I have no doubt that the organised peaceful protests are being shadowed by extremely dangerous elements who are piggy-backing on those protests to further the anarchist agendas and simply to rob and loot whatever they can carry. It was very obvious that yesterday's mass looting in Santa Monica was organised and you could see the main organisers clearly acting as traffic controllers guiding looters with fully laden arms to waiting cars.

Just like the police officers that have dealt with protesters in a calm manner are being overshadowed by those that are using this as an opportunity to be aggressive and vindictive.

For all the talk of outside agitators on the protesters side, few elected officials or the media want to discuss how a very small number of officers actually live in the neighborhoods they police. Add to that detachment, some toxic elements in their ranks (white supremacy), and then Trump giving them the go ahead to 'rough them up' and you get the scenes over the weekend