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09-07-2019, 20:44   #1051
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Arrived home today to the wonderful smell of 12 Kgs of coffee beans for €65.
I assume you run a small coffee shop business?

If not that coffee will be very stale by the time you get through it unless you have a severe coffee addiction.

Out of curiosity what roast profile is it? Light, medium or burnt to a crisp?
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09-07-2019, 21:15   #1052
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I assume you run a small coffee shop business?

If not that coffee will be very stale by the time you get through it unless you have a severe coffee addiction.

Out of curiosity what roast profile is it? Light, medium or burnt to a crisp?
How long would coffee beans generally last once opened ?
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I assume you run a small coffee shop business?

If not that coffee will be very stale by the time you get through it unless you have a severe coffee addiction.

Out of curiosity what roast profile is it? Light, medium or burnt to a crisp?
They are not all for me. I'm keeping 4 packets. W r.t roast I don't know yet.
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How long would coffee beans generally last once opened ?
You want to be using beans 2-4 weeks after they were roasted. They degrade rapidly after that. Most people don’t bulk buy coffee for this reason.

Very cheap coffee all the same. Although I’d be concerned over the roast profile. Most cheap coffee is roasted to a crisp. Dark, burnt. Not for me. A select few so like this style but for me it looses all its flavour.

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If anyone in Cork city wants a packet at cost PM me or check out Adverts.
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10-07-2019, 08:33   #1056
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I assume you run a small coffee shop business?

If not that coffee will be very stale by the time you get through it unless you have a severe coffee addiction.

Out of curiosity what roast profile is it? Light, medium or burnt to a crisp?
Whole beans freeze very well.
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Just went to pull the trigger on the discountcoffee deal and out of stock
Balls!
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Just went to pull the trigger on the discountcoffee deal and out of stock
Balls!
Happy to report I managed to place an order for 12kg this morning
As I'm the only coffee drinker in my house, it's safe to say I'm sorted for the next 12months or so
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Whole beans freeze very well.
They do to a certain extent. If they are frozen very quickly after the roast date, which by all accounts doesn’t seem to be mentioned here.

Probably more worrying is the thawing process before use as obviously moisture is introduced after freezing.

Personally I don’t bother freezing as good beans, lightly roasted, within the last few weeks don’t tend to be cheap.

Buy within a week of the roast date (don’t buy without a roast date) and use within 2-4 of said roast date.

For your average joe soap freezing will just end up a mess with broken grinders, moist beans, etc

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Just pulled the trigger now for 12kg

€5.50kg is great value.

Will sell at cost price in South Dublin, 2kg minimum purchase.
PM if interested.
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They do to a certain extent. If they are frozen very quickly after the roast date, which by all accounts doesn’t seem to be mentioned here.

Probably more worrying is the thawing process before use as obviously moisture is introduced after freezing.

Personally I don’t bother freezing as good beans, lightly roasted, within the last few weeks don’t tend to be cheap.

Buy within a week of the roast date (don’t buy without a roast date) and use within 2-4 of said roast date.

For your average joe soap freezing will just end up a mess with broken grinders, moist beans, etc
There is no roast date, but the best before on this batch is June 2020. When I order, the date is always just under 12 months away. The production code is 19 063 which points to week 3, June 2019. I've no doubt these are fresh beans, and the fact that they were temporarily sold out point to the fact that they are not sitting around for weeks. These guys are supplying cafes and do serious volume. It's not sitting on a supermarket shelf for weeks.

As for freezing itself, I'm not sure how you figure moisture is introduced? How does it get into a sealed bag? There is very little moisture content in a roasted bean to expand and break down the cell structure. Holding period frozen is in terms of years and the post roast day that you freeze the coffee will be the same when you thaw the coffee. These 2 week old beans will be 2 week old beans when they are thawed.

The process is a piece of piss. Freeze in the bag when you get them. Remove and defrost overnight before opening the bag. use an airtight container to hold your defrosted beans. Don't refreeze.

I've been doing it for years after seeing it recommended by Scott Rao and I defy you to tell the difference between frozen and non frozen.
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There is no roast date, but the best before on this batch is June 2020. When I order, the date is always just under 12 months away. The production code is 19 063 which points to week 3, June 2019. I've no doubt these are fresh beans, and the fact that they were temporarily sold out point to the fact that they are not sitting around for weeks. These guys are supplying cafes and do serious volume. It's not sitting on a supermarket shelf for weeks.

As for freezing itself, I'm not sure how you figure moisture is introduced? How does it get into a sealed bag? There is very little moisture content in a roasted bean to expand and break down the cell structure. Holding period frozen is in terms of years and the post roast day that you freeze the coffee will be the same when you thaw the coffee. These 2 week old beans will be 2 week old beans when they are thawed.

The process is a piece of piss. Freeze in the bag when you get them. Remove and defrost overnight before opening the bag. use an airtight container to hold your defrosted beans. Don't refreeze.

I've been doing it for years after seeing it recommended by Scott Rao and I defy you to tell the difference between frozen and non frozen.
Not sure what happened there, lost my post, probably post twice now.

Anyway. To answer your points.

If you’re right with your roast dates, sounds good. I would still guess it’s a very dark roast that isn’t to my taste. Bias for me there to lighly roasted coffee.

As for freezing and thawing. Firstly all food degrades over time. Coffee is no different. A few months in the freezer will not deliver the same flavour as freshly roasted no matter how try and convince yourself.

Moreover considering most people don’t know how to thaw chicken properly yes I would be concerned that they’ll introduce moisture to the process at either the front or back end of the process along with potentially breaking grinders with moist or frozen beans.

I’m not saying you specifically don’t know what they’re at. You obviously do. But most people won’t. They’ll leave beans in the freezer for a year or two and then take them out, make an arse of how to thaw them correctly and wonder why they’re not nice. That’s most people.

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As for freezing and thawing. Firstly all food degrades over time. Coffee is no different. A few months in the freezer will not deliver the same flavour as freshly roasted no matter how try and convince yourself.
The degradation process slows down by a massive amount when you freeze. The degradation is caused by oils evaporating and volatile compounds escaping. Freezing does a number of things.

Firstly, the lack of moisture in the bean makes it ideal. Most issues with freezing food happens when water freezes and expands and it breaks down the cell walls. That can’t happen in coffee. Secondly, the oils contract into the bean when it’s frozen, protecting them from breaking down. And thirdly, by dropping the temperature, the volatile compounds that give coffee aroma and flavour are prevented from escaping.

Like I said, I read about it in a Scott Rao book (And he’s probably forgotten more about coffee than I’ll ever know) and he tells a story about finding beans he had frozen years previously in his parents house. Instead of tossing them he defrosted and brewed and was amazed at how well they held up. I think it was 4 or 5 years in the freezer.

And it’s as simple as freezing in the unopened bag and defrosting before opening. I suggest you try it yourself.
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I have 6kgs of coffee that I got for €33 with an exp of Jun2020. 4 in the freezer and 2 ready to go. I'm delighted.
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And a quick google turns up this: https://www.home-barista.com/store-c...n-freezer.html

A large sample blind randomised testing by coffee nerds, with fresh beans, 4 weeks frozen beans and 8 weeks frozen beans. Result: no perceptible difference when cupped.
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