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Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

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  • #92
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Odhinn wrote: »
    There are two seperate systems of justice in the occupied territories - one is for the settlers, the other the palestinians. There are settler only roads and areas.


    They're discriminated against and maltreated.

    There are also laws (65 at last count) which directly or indirectly discriminate against Palestinians and Muslims inside Israeli and in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories.


  • #93
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Wonder who arranged for that.

    The terrorist organisation Hamas making sure there were plenty of impressionable kids up front to act as bullet sponges while they instigate the violence from the back.

    Brave bunch of lads.

    "if she wasn't walking around so scantily clad late at night she never would have been raped. Her parents should have never let her out the door in those yoga pants".


  • #94
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

    The Palestinian national council accepted the Israeli state in 1988 and again in 1993. Hamas has accepted a 2 state solution and agreed to negotiate the same, the PA has accepted that the 1967 armistice lines will have to be amended slightly to make them more manageable with like for like land swaps. The entire Arab league has had an offer on the table, supported by all Palestinian parties and the international community for over a decade which would provide for a two state solution.

    Eh, just no. So many little white lies in that paragraph. If you are correct, why did Arafat walk away from the Olso Accords?

    Israel does not want a two state solution, they want a final solution to the Palestinian "problem" but instead of "to hell or to Connacht" it's just to hell.

    Ah, the old, Israel/Jewish blood libel line. Very popular with Daesh, I heard!


  • #95
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,947 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »




    Ah, the old, Israel/Jewish blood libel line. Very popular with Daesh, I heard!

    He never said any such thing. Why are you making false accusations?


  • #96
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭golfball37


    What annoys me is when you criticize the shooting of 1000 people who were unarmed you are either labeled anti Semitic or anti Israel state existence. It stifles debate. Israel has every right to exist and defend itself but has no right to murder or expansion.


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  • #97
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Eh, just no. So many little white lies in that paragraph. If you are correct, why did Arafat walk away from the Olso Accords?

    Because the Oslo Accord didn't offer a two state solution along the 1967 armistice lines or anything like it.


  • #98
    Rezident
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭Rezident


    The Palestinians are deliberately sacrificing their own children just for anti-Israel PR! That is evil. Foolish of Palestinian kids to attack soldiers but they are only kids and their leaders are encouraging them.

    Hamas is encouraging more Palestinians to attack the border today. They KNOW this equals more dead children. Their own children! Why are they so hateful and evil!?


  • #99
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Rezident wrote: »
    The Palestinians jews are deliberately sacrificing their own children just for anti-Israel anti-Nazi PR! That is evil. Foolish of Palestinian jewish kids to attack soldiers but they are only kids and their leaders are encouraging them.

    Hamas Jewish leaders encouraging more Palestinians Jews to attack the border resist in the ghetto today. They KNOW this equals more dead children. Their own children! Why are they so hateful and evil!?


    Lets look at this through a historical lens.


  • #100
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    No-one said the Palestinians had to riot and act the bollocks because an embassy opened.

    But they did.

    Nobody said the Palestinians had to start invading the border of Israel despite being warned numerous times not to do so.

    But they did.

    You can't possibly compare people protesting, throwing rocks and shouting with mortar shells, snipers and fully trained soldiers.

    Oh, and technically speaking Israel invaded the border of Palestine.


  • #101
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He never said any such thing. Why are you making false accusations?

    Dropping in the words 'Final Solution' and talks about land conquests are well known tropes popular with Hamas, Deash and others who hate Jews.


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  • #102
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    markodaly wrote: »
    Dropping in the words 'Final Solution' and talks about land conquests are well known tropes popular with Hamas, Deash and others who hate Jews.

    You accused me of "blood liable". When did I say Jews were sacrificing christian children and using their blood in religious ceremonies? I stated the fact that the Zionists who run Israel do not want a two state solution and have stated as much when saying "there will never be a Palestinian state" dozens of times, and proven as much by expanding illegal settlements in the West Bank and slowly rendering Gaza uninhabitable through an illegal blockade and regularly scheduled illegal jaunts into Gaza to drop ordinance and chemical weapons on civilian populations, destroying infrastructure and health services, and generally acting the prick every time there's an election of political scandal.


  • #103
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Because the Oslo Accord didn't offer a two state solution along the 1967 armistice lines or anything like it.

    You mean the Palestinians wanted to offer nothing in return? Why would have the Israelis agreed to that?

    It was all on the line in the Camp David negotiations of 2000. Arafat the fool walked away with most of what he wanted.


  • #104
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    Rezident wrote: »
    The Palestinians are deliberately sacrificing their own children just for anti-Israel PR! That is evil. Foolish of Palestinian kids to attack soldiers but they are only kids and their leaders are encouraging them.

    Hamas is encouraging more Palestinians to attack the border today. They KNOW this equals more dead children. Their own children! Why are they so hateful and evil!?

    there is nothing new about this or the depths of depravity to which they will willingly sink, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44104887


  • #105
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    markodaly wrote: »
    You mean the Palestinians wanted to offer nothing in return? Why would have the Israelis agreed to that?

    It was all on the line in the Camp David negotiations of 2000. Arafat the fool walked away with most of what he wanted.

    you mean when Israel offered land in the Negev Desert that was 1/10th the size of the land they wanted to annex in The West bank, which would have split the West Bank into three separate areas, losing most of it's water sources and most productive agricultural lands, displacing thousands of Palestinian families?

    Again, Israel's final offer was nothing close to the 1967 armistice lines. Israel withdrew from the negotiations when Arafat declined their offer and pushed for some concessions.

    why do you purposely ignore Taba? why do all Israeli apologists ignore Taba?

    Because you can't defend it. Even the Israeli foreign minister at the time admitted Israel reneged on the agreement they'd reached at Taba "The pressure of Israeli public opinion against the talks could not be resisted,” and later admitted that he had received a phone call in the middle of the night before the agreement was due to be signed from his superior in Tel Aviv saying if they signed the deal the military had threatened to over throw the government.
    Following the election war criminal Ariel Sharon stated that "s not by accident that the settlements are located where they are". going on to state;
    They safeguard the cradle of the Jewish people’s birth and also provide strategic depth which is vital to our existence.The settlements were established according to the conception that, come what may, we have to hold the western security area [of the West Bank], which is adjacent to the Green Line, and the eastern security area along the Jordan River and the roads linking the two. And Jerusalem, of course. And the hill aquifer. Nothing has changed with respect to any of those things. The importance of the security areas has not diminished, it may even have increased. So I see no reason for evacuating any settlements.

    Everything Israel does in Palestine is to undermine the possibility of a two state solution. Every action they make in the occupied territories betrays the lies they repeat in public about wanting to find a peaceful solution.


  • #106
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    anybody who thinks there will be a 2 state solution is a fool. hamas know this, Israelis know this, even Donald knows this. Israel will NEVER deal with these people. Palestinians will NEVER deal with Jews. The killing, the hatred, the barbarity has gone way past that.

    the only solution left is a military one, and it looks like the guys with the blue n white flags have already won that one.


  • #107
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    The kids are the victims. I'm not blaming them.

    I blame the Palestinian "Politicians".

    What could the palestinian politicians possibly do that would improve the situation for the people in Gaza and the west bank?

    There is no plan for the people of palestine other than ethnic cleansing. The Israelis are just waiting for their next excuse to bomb them and steal more land.

    The Palestinian politicians have called for a return to the agreed 1967 borders, but Israel have absolutely no intention of giving up their illegal settlements. The palestinians are absolutely screwed, they're never going to get their own country, and they'll never be allowed to become free citizens of Israel because there will always be a resistance that makes them too much of a security threat to Israel. I'd say they would grudgingly accept current borders and no more land grabs if they could trust that the zionists would respect that and negotiate a sustainable peace and lift the economic blockades, but does anyone really think that Israel would allow even that?

    Israel provoke responses all the time, and its inevitable that they will get violent reactions eventually, and then this is used as an excuse for widespread collective punishment against the ordinary people in palestine.

    People blame the palestinians for hating Israel. From their perspective, they're being exterminated by the Israelis.


  • #108
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    "Israel has a right to defend it's borders"

    What borders? It has never declared it's borders. There's is no border, there are armistice lines, which are protected by buffer zones that are several hundred meters deep on both sides, the protesters weren't even breaching the buffer zones, never mind the armistice lines.

    In 1649 Cromwell came to Ireland with the intention of solving the Irish "problem" once and for all with a policy of "to hell or to Connacht".

    the fundamentalist Zionist lunatics who rule the state of Israeli share Cromwell's vision but want the complete removal of Palestinians from their lands, in their mind there isn't even a Connacht the Palestinians can have, they just want them gone whether it's through actively driving them from their land or making their living conditions so bad they leave by choice.

    The current psychopath who rules Israel has said dozens of times "there will never be a Palestinian state".

    The Palestinian national council accepted the Israeli state in 1988 and again in 1993. Hamas has accepted a 2 state solution and agreed to negotiate the same, the PA has accepted that the 1967 armistice lines will have to be amended slightly to make them more manageable with like for like land swaps. The entire Arab league has had an offer on the table, supported by all Palestinian parties and the international community for over a decade which would provide for a two state solution.

    The only side who do not want a two state solution is Israel.
    That's why they won't negotiate.
    That's why they murdered Rabin.
    That's why when his murderer was released he was treated as a hero by the Israeli right.
    That's why the Israeli military threatened a coup when Ehud Barak and his foreign minister Ben-Ami were close to an agreement during the summit in Taba in 2001.
    That's why 75% of Israeli voters polled in the 2001 election cycle said Barak was "giving too much away" by agreeing to the dismantlement of settlements and withdraw from Palestine to within the 1967 armistice lines despite even the Israeli government at the time admitting that it was the Palestinians who made almost all concessions during the negotiations.

    Israel does not want a two state solution, they want a final solution to the Palestinian "problem" but instead of "to hell or to Connacht" it's just to hell.

    To hell or to Gaza.


  • #109
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    To hell or to Gaza.

    Same thing in a few years.


  • #110
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    Alas there is no future for Palestine or the Palestinian people. Like the Red Indians of the great plains, or the Aboriginals of Australasia they have lost. Apart from a quasi-intellectual discussion on Channel 4, the world does not care.


  • #111
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Look the the fox news spin on this and your blood will boil.this is why the world hates america.


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  • #112
    Captain Obvious
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    smurgen wrote: »
    Look the the fox news spin on this and your blood will boil.this is why the world hates america.


    And Israel. After all the **** they pull on Ireland I don't know why they have an embassy here.


  • #113
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    And Israel. After all the **** they pull on Ireland I don't know why they have an embassy here.

    An embassy that is costing us hundreds of thousands per year and millions over the duration of it's lease.


  • #114
    nullzero
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    ****


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    No-one said the Palestinians had to riot and act the bollocks because an embassy opened.

    But they did.

    Nobody said the Palestinians had to start invading the border of Israel despite being warned numerous times not to do so.

    But they did.

    Jesus H Christ.
    How bloody ignorant can one person be?
    When you dehumanize people and treat them like filth they tend to try to fight their corner.
    Have you any idea what's been going on there for the last 70 years? You and the people who thanked your post.

    Glazers Out!



  • #115
    ArchXStanton
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    smurgen wrote: »
    Look the the fox news spin on this and your blood will boil.this is why the world hates america.

    I see the US has blocked another UN proposal on an investigation into this blood bath...so much for the world's policeman,hope boards resident US cheerleaders are taking note


  • #116
    jcorr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭jcorr


    Does anyone know who opened fire first the Palestinians or Israelis?


  • #117
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    I see the US has blocked another UN proposal on an investigation into this blood bath...so much for the world's policeman,hope boards resident US cheerleaders are taking note

    Just like the US blocked Iran’s complaint against Saddam for war crimes following the Iraqi attack on Iran.

    Then a few years later, the US and its’ fanboys are telling the rest of us that Saddam is evil. :rolleyes:

    The US was delighted then when Saddam was taken out and hanged fairly swiftly.

    Last thing they wanted was him speaking up in an international court about how the US supported his war crimes.

    And sure who cares about justice for those Iranian civilians he had gassed?


  • #118
    kildare lad
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    Israel are the modern day nazi's. They dont care about international law, they keep the Palestinians in the worlds biggest concentration camps. Backed by America ,they think they can do what they want. Trump knew by moving the embassy it would cause trouble, 60 people dead so trump and his jew donors can feel good about themselves. They're scum, all America has ever done in the middle east is, invade, bomb, de-stablized the region, sold arms, so that they can get cheap oil. America and Israel have a license to kill and they do a very good job at it


  • #119
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,429 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Time for Coveney to tell the Israeli Ambassador to pack up and leave.
    None of this cowardly calling him in for a meeting. That's just bulls**t cosmetics.
    Time to grow a pair Simon.


  • #120
    ThinkProgress
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    nullzero wrote: »
    Jesus H Christ.
    How bloody ignorant can one person be?
    When you dehumanize people and treat them like filth they tend to try to fight their corner.
    Have you any idea what's been going on there for the last 70 years? You and the people who thanked your post.

    Do you??

    This conflict has two sides... if it didn't, it would be an easy fix for the international community! ;)


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  • #121
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Time for Coveney to tell the Israeli Ambassador to pack up and leave.
    None of this cowardly calling him in for a meeting. That's just bulls**t cosmetics.
    Time to grow a pair Simon.

    Someone as limp wristed as him would never do anything that might upset the Americans.

    Independent state? :rolleyes:


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