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Should Old People Be Banned from Voting?

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  • #122
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    dfeo wrote: »
    If voting were mandatory, how would it be enforced?

    To a certain extent, I agree with you, but does the right to vote not also come with the right NOT to vote too?

    What if someone had a holiday planned during the voting times? Or had to attend a wedding abroad?

    For that to happen, you'd have to allow voting by proxy or by post in embassies (but only for Irish citizens who are ordinarily resident in Ireland). Not 3569529 generation Americans who claim Irish passports.

    Voting is mandatory in lots of countries. You must go and vote; however, there's no penalty in any (afaik) for that vote being an abstention. I don't know what they do about holidays and weddings you "have to" attend (can't imagine one, unless you're the bride!)


  • #123
    Commotion Ocean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Commotion Ocean


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Voting is mandatory in lots of countries. You must go and vote; however, there's no penalty in any (afaik) for that vote being an abstention. I don't know what they do about holidays and weddings you "have to" attend (can't imagine one, unless you're the bride!)

    Your own child's wedding :pac:


  • #124
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    dfeo wrote: »
    Your own child's wedding :pac:

    Not at all. Let him or her marry in the Pyrennees and have their honeymoon in Bordeaux; they can come back for a slap-up meal and petting when they're Mrs and Mr.


  • #125
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    dfeo wrote: »
    Your own child's wedding :pac:

    Been there, done that. She and I voted shortly after the polling stations opened. We had plenty of time, were up early and her hair appointment wasn't until 9.


  • #126
    Commotion Ocean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Commotion Ocean


    Marie Substantial Louse wrote: »
    Been there, done that. She and I voted shortly after the polling stations opened. We had plenty of time, were up early and her hair appointment wasn't until 9.

    But what if you have some call of duty abroad? A family wedding abroad for example? What penalties are you suggesting for non-voting Marie Substantial Louse?

    There is a country somewhere (I can't recall which one) where voting is compulsory, the first time you fail to vote, you are merely warned, each subsequent offence results in fines which increase proportionally to your voting absenteeism.


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  • #127
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Old folks would have voted for the same as you if they were your age. They grew up however.

    People go from voting left when younger (free **** from the state) to right while working and either left (if the working part of life did not go well) or right (if working went well).

    How many "socialist" students will follow that ideology when they start earning big bucks???

    None I bet.


  • #128
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Rezident wrote: »
    Under 18’s can’t vote yet, which is fair enough. But once people have retired and sailed off into the sunset, or past the age of say, 70, are they still the best people to be deciding the future for everyone else? Previously, I would have thought they were, due to their experience and by virtue of the fact that they have paid their dues and contributed to society (most of them anyway) but I’m not so sure anymore.

    While some are invaluable for their experience, many are disgruntled and out of touch with young and even middle aged people (the majority). The world has changed utterly over the last couple of decades, with so much uncertainty and volatility in the world these days (that is not going away, even the FT has reported that perhaps Volatility is simply here to stay now) and the rapid pace of change, are old people no longer the best at deciding the future? Older doesn’t necessarily seem to mean wiser anymore.

    And I am not having a go at old people, as I am becoming one.

    No just stop bussing them to the voting booth.:pac:


  • #129
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Old folks would have voted for the same as you if they were your age. They grew up however.

    People go from voting left when younger (free **** from the state) to right while working and either left (if the working part of life did not go well) or right (if working went well).

    How many "socialist" students will follow that ideology when they start earning big bucks???

    None I bet.

    I think you may find that many people vote according to their conscience, rather than for selfish interests; however ymmv.


  • #130
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    dfeo wrote: »
    But what if you have some call of duty abroad? A family wedding abroad for example? What penalties are you suggesting for non-voting Srameen?

    There is a country somewhere (I can't recall which one) where voting is compulsory, the first time you fail to vote, you are merely warned, each subsequent offence results in fines which increase proportionally to your voting absenteeism.

    You are determined to continue with what ifs. A postal vote, an early vote. There are many ways around your concerns. But it's all hypothetical; relax those little grey cells of yours.


  • #131
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Unfollowing this thread, which makes me feel a little sick.


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  • #132
    Thomas_...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Thomas_...


    Rezident wrote: »
    Under 18 s can t vote yet, which is fair enough. But once people have retired and sailed off into the sunset, or past the age of say, 70, are they still the best people to be deciding the future for everyone else? Previously, I would have thought they were, due to their experience and by virtue of the fact that they have paid their dues and contributed to society (most of them anyway) but I m not so sure anymore.

    While some are invaluable for their experience, many are disgruntled and out of touch with young and even middle aged people (the majority). The world has changed utterly over the last couple of decades, with so much uncertainty and volatility in the world these days (that is not going away, even the FT has reported that perhaps Volatility is simply here to stay now) and the rapid pace of change, are old people no longer the best at deciding the future? Older doesn t necessarily seem to mean wiser anymore.

    And I am not having a go at old people, as I am becoming one.

    May answer to this is simply NO!


  • #133
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    dfeo wrote: »
    Your own child's wedding :pac:

    Member of the Travellers Community ?


  • #134
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    dfeo wrote: »
    But what if you have some call of duty abroad? A family wedding abroad for example? What penalties are you suggesting for non-voting Srameen?

    There is a country somewhere (I can't recall which one) where voting is compulsory, the first time you fail to vote, you are merely warned, each subsequent offence results in fines which increase proportionally to your voting absenteeism.

    One should never be forced to vote. In a democracy , a free country, one has the right to vote and the right not to vote

    Never ceases to amaze me on the amount of gobsh**es who will come down and waffle about how X died so that you could have a vote (what in WW1 or WW2? I do not thinks so) .Well, did they die to ensure that you are forced by law to vote? Doubt it


  • #135
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    One should never be forced to vote. In a democracy , a free country, one has the right to vote and the right not to vote

    It would be better to have mandatory voting but have an abstention box on the ballot paper.


  • #136
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    That wouldn't even be necessary. You can just spoil the vote by scribbling on it or marking both boxes or drawing a penis or whatever.


  • #137
    neiphin
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭neiphin


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Great idea OP.

    Disenfranchise the people who fought and died for voting rights, democracy and civil rights.


    Everyone gets the right to vote, once over 16/18, regardless of their political views. That's how democracy works.

    Who are these people, name them


  • #138
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    People have a right not to vote if they don't give a ****.


  • #139
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    People have a right not to vote if they don't give a ****.

    Possibly so, but I'm amused how, in true AH fashion, this went from denying the vote to older people to enforcing a vote on all.


  • #140
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    Maximus Alexander wrote:
    That wouldn't even be necessary. You can just spoil the vote by scribbling on it or marking both boxes or drawing a penis or whatever.

    What if you're not good at drawing?


  • #141
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    Maximus Alexander wrote:
    That wouldn't even be necessary. You can just spoil the vote by scribbling on it or marking both boxes or drawing a penis or whatever.

    What if you're not good at drawing?


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  • #142
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Old folks would have voted for the same as you if they were your age. They grew up however.

    People go from voting left when younger (free **** from the state) to right while working and either left (if the working part of life did not go well) or right (if working went well).

    How many "socialist" students will follow that ideology when they start earning big bucks???

    None I bet.

    RTÉ producers, journalists, and broadcasters? Obviously, they do not practice what they teach , of course. hmm Champagne and Salmon


  • #143
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    zulutango wrote: »
    It would be better to have mandatory voting but have an abstention box on the ballot paper.

    Why would it be better to have a mandatory vote?

    If a person wants to waste their vote by NOT even going to lodge a ballot paper into an abstention box, so be it.That is their right. One less ballot paper to count


  • #144
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    zulutango wrote: »
    Well, I agree. It's not a good argument, and I don't subscribe to it myself. But when you look at how these recent elections have been decided by mainly elderly people, then I can see why it's being raised.

    A better solution would be to make voting mandatory (with the option of abstention). This would address the low turnout issue to a great degree, and the low turnout by young people is the real reason why elderly people have such political clout.

    Yeh exactly! So I think that takes away from the argument even more really, the fact that young people, who make up a larger share of the population, don't even care enough about how the country is run as the elderly of the country do. If anything its an argument to increase the voting age seeing as most young people are inconsiderate and don't care about their countrys future other than a vocal minority of them


  • #145
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    We still have old people who charged the beaches of Normandy and fought for actual freedom and they vote. Should we deny them that sacred right?


  • #146
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    Rezident wrote: »
    The world has changed utterly over the last couple of decades ]

    Isn't it lucky the world never changed before that, How many decades has the world been changing now? A couple, 2 before that it was static?


  • #147
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    We still have old people who charged the beaches of Normandy and fought for actual freedom and they vote. Should we deny them that sacred right?

    And they did such a great job or we'd all be controlled by europe and driving volkswagens


  • #148
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    zulutango wrote: »
    What if you're not good at drawing?

    Then you have to pay the fine, obviously.


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