Advice: Paint Colors

yop wrote: »

All
Young lads communion coming up so time to freshen a jaded hall.
Lots of noted pine, which I'm v reluctant to paint over (mainly as I spent the weeks sanding and varnishing!) as that will just be a very slow job, but I may have to do it eventually.

So I am looking at some suggestions, I've a couple ideas like a cream/white on the landing up the stairs but maybe going with a grey or something on the wall on the right.
The sun comes in 2 very large veluxs (4ft * 2ft) and in the front door onto the wall on the stairs.

Open to suggestions totally

Also what do people think it might cost to get someone to do that job? I painted the whole house myself when I built it and did all the second fixing, floors etc, but I'm time limited

My go to for anywhere that gets a bit of sun is farrow & ball: Light Grey walls (estate emulsion) and New White woodwork (eggshell finish).

You need 'cool' walls to balance that 'hot' floor. You could leave some wood: front door, stairs handrail.

The pine needs to go though. If it were old wood you might do just the architraves/skirting in New White .. but that knotty pine just looks cheap (sorry)

Oh, and don't fall into the trap of F&B copy. They aren't that same as the real thing. Per sq m covered, even expensive paint is cheap.

yop wrote: »

Appreciate the feedback. Your a painter or an I&D professional?
Wow that is expensive!! Stupid question, but why the more expensive paint?

Let's say I'm someone who makes far more money from using f&b than f&b costs.

Although it costs more (and is perceived as snobbish) it a) gives much more back than cheaper copies b) is a fraction of the cost of other finishes (tiles, wood flooring, carpet)

I was looking at some visualizer here (https://www.colourtrend.ie/colour-visualiser/)
I had picked up Stirrup Steel for the walls downstairs and then for the walls on the landing and upstairs which gets all the light going with French White, but I am guessing your saying the light gray for all walls both up and downstairs?

The light grey works in good and poor light situations. It also comes into its own in artificial light. CT isnt bad but like I say, the cost per sqm of F&B is tiny. And its better

Ah, so kill the doors, architrave and skirting. In reality though thats both sides of all the doors which will then kick onto all door all over the house as each door in the hall and landing leads to each room of the house.
There is a fair amount of prep doing them doors though I'd say, thats egg shell varnish on all that.
The stairs is another kettle of fish!

I wouldn't see the need to do inside the doors, just door face and edges.

You'd end up with a classy look - something that can't be achieved with knotty pine. Maybe try just skirts and architraves to start?

Might be worth trying ESP instead of sanding. With dark wood, you're looking at 2-3 undercoat to kill the dark and 2 top. Ouch!

That stirrup steel strikes me as a bit cold - just like all the staged new builds. The Light Grey is a good deal warmer. Leaning towards green and earth it works well with the wood to give overall warmth. You son't want to end up antiseptic and icy.


(I've written elsewhere in this int des forum recently on the technicality of why expensive paint)

Trudiha wrote: »

F&B is lovely and the texture is different from other paints, even colour matched ones. However, it’s not suitable for anyone with kids or pets, the first time you go st it with a damp cloth, it goes all shiny looking and you can always see where it’s been touched up.

Can be resolved with F&B modern emulsion finish. The estate emulsion matt is nicer but yes, works less with kids

yop wrote: »

F&B gives better coverage per sq m, but is expensive. Is that correct? So I'd need to buy less buckets.

Any of the topline paints are pricey. The trouble with the mid range (let's suppose a ColourTrend copy of the F&B colour) won't give you the same effect.

The colour can be similar with copy but other qualities of the paint (eg how it works in artificial/low light situations won't be the same)

Put on one single color downstairs and up, don't use 2 different colors on the walls.

You can combine but need some kind of delineation. A mate has F&B London Stone downstairs and Pink Ground (which has stone understones) upstairs and it works.

A single colour is easier (and probably cheaper - you'll have less leftover) and the Light Grey goes with just about everything.

Light Grey walls (estate emulsion) or a light color (off white)

Spiced Honey looks lovely, but would it not clash with the pine and darken the house?
White ceiling.

If Light Grey (modern emulsion, which has a little bit of sheen and is wipeable) finish if you've young kids), I'd go New White estate emulsion on the ceilings. Domestic Appliance White is too stark.

Eggshell for the woodwork deffo, after covering the pine with undercoat.

So I could do the skirting & architraves in a white or off white and see how that works with the paint.
Maybe do the kickers on the stairs with the spindles and banisters.
But eventually do the doors also.

The pine door/white architrave works well (I've got it. although the pine is old, unknotted). I'd certtainly give leaving the doors pine a whirl though. You can always come back to it.

Sorry I am still head scratching on the "copies". Are you saying that you can get copies of F&B which aren't as good, and then when you touch up with that copy the color isnt' consistent?
Do proper painters put on with a roller or brush? I have watched many of those I&D shows on TV and you see some lads using brushes to paint the walls!

Copies don't have the subtle effects (which are additional to just the basic colour). Also the copy might not even get the colour right. I had to add 2.5 litres of plain white to a 5 ltr tin of a ColourTrend copy of F&B New White to turn what was deep peach into the correct colour. 2.5 litres into 5?!! I was trying to see if I could cut costs on something less risky like a ceiling .. and that went pear (or peach) shaped. Now I wouldn't bother

Sometimes you gotta take a leap of faith and it actually doesn't cost a lot. Try the F&B out. I'm pretty sure you'll end up converting your house

yop wrote: »

Thanks all
Gonna do with the walls and skirting and architrave and see what damage I can do!
Light Grey & eggshell skirting/arch & new white estate on the ceiling.

Go for it.

One thing I found was having to leave the undercoat to dry well, before starting with the topcoat - espec since I had to do 2-3 coats of undercoat to bury pine colour.

If you find the eggshell seems to be drying too quick and turning to sludge on the surface, its the undercoat dissolving. Leave the undercoat a couple of days before top coating

yop wrote: »

Thanks for that. Ill have to do 2 undercoats on it I'd say? I can do an undercoat, then to a wall or 2. Walls will need 2 coats.
It will take me a good few weeks to complete it, painting the skirting will be a pain in the head itself , with work, travel and kids!

Some tips if applicable for you:

Paint the skirting first, letting the paint run up the wall a 1/2 inch. You cut the wall down to the skirting. But yeah, get a first coat on the wall along the way

Paint ceiling 2nd. And not peach like I did. You dont want ceiling splashing onto 2nd wall coat

Big fluffy roller for walls - a step shy of max fluff /exterior. You get more texture in finish but you dont see it in use ... and its fast. Generous first cost, worked 2nd coat.

Ensure undercoat kills the pine. Water based paints (f&b new white included) don' t cover as well as the old paints. Eggshell won't kill pine streaks showing through undercoat .. and undercoat is cheap!

Masking on floor - your going to be doing 5 coats in all so it will pay back the time spent laying it. Don't lash the paint on thick at the skirting / tape meeting point, keep the brush perpindicular to the skirting at all times .. and you won't leak paint under the skirting and when the tape off ... sharp!

Take some before and after photos. If you do convert to F&B you can look back and wonder how you did without it in your dotage.


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The wood looks like it's varnished. Won't that hold back the knots?

https://i.ibb.co/jvHQjCs/IMG-8467.jpg

Light Grey walls in estate emulsion / New White ceiling / New White eggshell woodwork with pine floor. Gives an idea of where you're headed. The cool walls and hot floor balance each other out.

yop wrote: »

So I managed to get it done!
Put in big shifts on Friday night until 12am and then a solid 15 hour shift yesterday
Points to note, a dear brush and roller makes life SO much easier.
Dear paint doesn't drip and rolls and cover so much better.
I managed to cut in without any taping at all.

The color is REALLY good and the white mix with the doors I am happy with.
2 under coats and 3 top coats on the skirting and architrave.

Looks great. The basic combo of warm grey / white wood / wood is a no-brainer combo, like basil and tomato.

Did you F&B in the end? I've a mild suspicion that you went white (rather than new white) on the wood. Could be the photo lighting but you might confirm