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  • 24-02-2019 9:08pm
    #1
    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭


    I’ve got an hkc alarm in my house. The outside bell is not working so I got a new one but the connections don’t look the same. Can I still use it. Thanks.


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    #2
    KoolKid
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    In most cases yes.
    Can you post the connections required at the bell.?


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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    KoolKid wrote: »
    In most cases yes.
    Can you post the connections required at the bell.?

    Yes the terminals are
    1 Backlight disable
    2 T
    3 T
    4 Eng hold
    5 STB
    6 BELL
    7 bell +
    8 bell -

    My six wires from main board are
    Strobe + and -
    Tamper resistor
    Sab hold (bho)
    External bell + and -

    Hope this is ok. Thanks


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    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Yes the terminals are
    1 Backlight disable
    2 T
    3 T
    4 Eng hold
    5 STB
    6 BELL
    7 bell +
    8 bell -

    Try this...
    A pic of the bell would be nice to see if possible.

    Strobe - >>>>>>>STB
    Tamper resistor >>>> Second T
    Sab hold (bho) >>>>to Top Tamper (T)
    External bell + and - >>>>>>External Bell + & -


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    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    Yes the terminals are
    1 Backlight disable
    2 T
    3 T
    4 Eng hold
    5 STB
    6 BELL
    7 bell +
    8 bell -

    My six wires from main board are
    Strobe + and -
    Tamper resistor
    Sab hold (bho)
    External bell + and -

    Hope this is ok. Thanks

    Id say its a delta bell.

    2 T Yellow, Tamper return Panel
    3 T One leg of resistor 4K7 Linked to bell - in external bell
    5 STB Green, Strobe - Panel
    6 BELL Black, - External bell Panel
    7 bell + Red, External bell + Panel
    8 bell - Leg of resistor with Blue in bell, BHO Panel

    www.altor.ie



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    #6
    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    How do I add pictures ?

    KoolKid wrote: »
    Yes the terminals are
    1 Backlight disable
    2 T
    3 T
    4 Eng hold
    5 STB
    6 BELL
    7 bell +
    8 bell -

    Try this...
    A pic of the bell would be nice to see if possible.

    Strobe - >>>>>>>STB
    Tamper resistor >>>> Second T
    Sab hold (bho) >>>>to Top Tamper (T)
    External bell + and - >>>>>>External Bell + & -


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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    It’s a pyronics bell. Is that the same ?

    altor wrote: »
    Id say its a delta bell.

    2 T Yellow, Tamper return Panel
    3 T One leg of resistor 4K7 Linked to bell - in external bell
    5 STB Green, Strobe - Panel
    6 BELL Black, - External bell Panel
    7 bell + Red, External bell + Panel
    8 bell - Leg of resistor with Blue in bell, BHO Panel


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    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    It’s a pyronics bell. Is that the same ?

    Pyronix Delta Bell ?
    Like this one?
    M9-Deltabell-Plus-768x768.png

    If so these should be correct
    Panel >>>Delta Bell
    ___________________
    Bell + >>>Aux +
    Aux 12v->>>Aux 12v -
    Bell - >>>Bell -
    Strobe - >>> Stb -
    BHO >>> T (Top)
    Tamper Return >>>> T (below) connect cable to resistor & resistor into block.


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    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    It’s a pyronics bell. Is that the same ?

    Yes, that is the delta bell.

    www.altor.ie



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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    altor wrote: »
    Yes, that is the delta bell.

    Hi I’ve just checked what I wrote and I’m slightly wrong what I said. It’s a pyronic bell and my options for inputs are
    Backlight disable
    T
    T
    ENG HOLD
    STB
    BELL
    +
    -
    Then the six wires from main panel are
    Tamper return
    Sabb hold there’s already a risistor between the 2 connections
    External bell + and -
    Internal bell +
    Fire p.a alarm disarm arm


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    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    Hi I’ve just checked what I wrote and I’m slightly wrong what I said. It’s a pyronic bell and my options for inputs are
    Backlight disable
    T
    T
    ENG HOLD
    STB
    BELL
    +
    -
    Then the six wires from main panel are
    Tamper return
    Sabb hold there’s already a risistor between the 2 connections
    External bell + and -
    Internal bell +
    Fire p.a alarm disarm arm

    You just wont be using the ENG HOLD in bell.
    The system has other outputs but you wont be using them for external bell.

    The resistor in the control panel needs to be taken out. Resistor goes in External bell.

    Blue cable goes into BHO in panel.
    Yellow cable goes into tamper return in panel.
    Red Cable goes into External bell positive in panel.
    Black cable goes into External bell minus in panel.
    Green cable goes into strobe minus in panel.

    www.altor.ie



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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    Hi and thanks for the reply. Unless I’m reading this wrong you are telling me the inputs on my alarm panel. The cables are already in my panel. An engineer came a few months ago and removed the tamper return and sabb hold from panel and I assume put the resistor between the 2 connections to stop a fault showing on control panel. I’ve removed resistor and put the 2 cables back in. I’ve got this new bell but then the inputs are different. Hence the reason I’m struggling. So I actually need to know where to put the cables into just the bell end. Or are you saying I need to change the panel end aswell ? Thanks for the help.
    altor wrote: »
    You just wont be using the ENG HOLD in bell.
    The system has other outputs but you wont be using them for external bell.

    The resistor in the control panel needs to be taken out. Resistor goes in External bell.

    Blue cable goes into BHO in panel.
    Yellow cable goes into tamper return in panel.
    Red Cable goes into External bell positive in panel.
    Black cable goes into External bell minus in panel.
    Green cable goes into strobe minus in panel.


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    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    Hi and thanks for the reply. Unless I’m reading this wrong you are telling me the inputs on my alarm panel. The cables are already in my panel. An engineer came a few months ago and removed the tamper return and sabb hold from panel and I assume put the resistor between the 2 connections to stop a fault showing on control panel. I’ve removed resistor and put the 2 cables back in. I’ve got this new bell but then the inputs are different. Hence the reason I’m struggling. So I actually need to know where to put the cables into just the bell end. Or are you saying I need to change the panel end aswell ? Thanks for the help.

    Yes that is the panel connections.
    I would disconnect before installing new bell.

    Bell connections

    2 T Yellow
    3 T One leg of resistor 4K7 Linked to bell - in external bell
    5 STB Green
    6 BELL Black
    7 bell + Red
    8 BHO - Blue wire with other Leg of resistor together

    www.altor.ie



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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    Thanks I will try that tomorrow again.
    altor wrote: »
    Yes that is the panel connections.
    I would disconnect before installing new bell.

    Bell connections

    2 T Yellow
    3 T One leg of resistor 4K7 Linked to bell - in external bell
    5 STB Green
    6 BELL Black
    7 bell + Red
    8 BHO - Blue wire with other Leg of resistor together


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    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    Thanks I will try that tomorrow again.

    No problem, any other issues let us know.

    www.altor.ie



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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    altor wrote: »
    No problem, any other issues let us know.

    That worked brilliant thanks you. Another couple of questions if that’s ok. My internal sensors sense I’m walking around as they flash but don’t actually set off alarm. I’ve completely defaulted system to factory settings so do I need to set them in engineers menu. Also can I set up part set alarm as it says on cover so only external settings are active. Thanks again.


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    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    That worked brilliant thanks you. Another couple of questions if that’s ok. My internal sensors sense I’m walking around as they flash but don’t actually set off alarm. I’ve completely defaulted system to factory settings so do I need to set them in engineers menu. Also can I set up part set alarm as it says on cover so only external settings are active. Thanks again.

    You would need to see what way they are wired into the system.
    Can you open one sand take a picture?
    Yes part set is set up in the zone menu, zone options, select yes in PGA and or PGB.

    www.altor.ie



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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    altor wrote: »
    You would need to see what way they are wired into the system.
    Can you open one sand take a picture?
    Yes part set is set up in the zone menu, zone options, select yes in PGA and or PGB.

    I’ve attached a picture of sensor wiring


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    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    The wiring is correct for duel end of line configuration.
    Check in zone hardware that the zone is set up for Duel EOL.
    Does the sensor activate in walk test?


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    Dervbartlett
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Dervbartlett


    KoolKid wrote: »
    The wiring is correct for duel end of line configuration.
    Check in zone hardware that the zone is set up for Duel EOL.
    Does the sensor activate in walk test?

    Hi again. My alarm don’t activate on the walk test. The light flashed but don’t actually activate. And sorry not sure how to check if it’s set up for EOL. I’ve went through settings but can’t find it. Could you explain to me how to find it ? Thanks.


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    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dervbartlett wrote: »
    Hi again. My alarm don’t activate on the walk test. The light flashed but don’t actually activate. And sorry not sure how to check if it’s set up for EOL. I’ve went through settings but can’t find it. Could you explain to me how to find it ? Thanks.

    In zone menu, zone hardware, change zone to duel end of line.

    www.altor.ie



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    almeera
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭almeera


    Hi Altor,

    I have HKC alarm 1070 installed. I have GSM Q installed as well. can you please explain the connection to the HKC board. for switching lights on

    I have 12 v Dc Relay. I try to connect relay with +ve with Aux and - ve with ext bell. it working when the alarm goes off. but i want to work when i sent lights on command from phone. please tell me the connection and anything i have to do from programming side. Please help me ASAP. Thanking you.


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    almeera
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭almeera


    altor wrote: »
    In zone menu, zone hardware, change zone to duel end of line.

    Hi Altor,

    I have HKC alarm 1070 installed. I have GSM Q installed as well. can you please explain the connection to the HKC board. for switching lights on

    I have 12 v Dc Relay. I try to connect relay with +ve with Aux and - ve with ext bell. it working when the alarm goes off. but i want to work when i sent lights on command from phone. please tell me the connection and anything i have to do from programming side. Please help me ASAP. Thanking you.


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    #24
    sqsqswqdwdwq
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭sqsqswqdwdwq


    Can somebody please tell me the voltages I should expect from the "SABB HKC Ltd TYPE WD GRADE 2 CLASS IV PCB2015 RGA" terminals when the alarm bell is active and inactive?

    Left and Rght Tamper Resister active -
    Left and Right Tamper Resister - inactive -
    SAB HOLD (BHO) - active -
    SAB HOLD (BHO) - inactive
    External Bell - neg - active -
    External Bell - neg - inactive -
    External Bell - pos - active
    External Bell - pos - inactive
    I assume the battery terminals will be 6V at all times
    Tamper Switch is bridged for the purposes of the test

    Thanks for your help


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