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ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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  • #92
    inforfun
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Apparently she was married to a Dutch convert over there who went on to meet his virgins.
    She might want to take her chances with The Netherlands as they have welcomed back a few of those ***** already.


  • #93
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I think the father and whoever else in the family wants to see his daughter should be accommodated by the UK government.

    Send them all over to meet her and confiscate passports so they can't return.


  • #94
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,829 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Yeah but you've not touched much on prosecution, you were on about monitoring her and leaving her off despite her explicit declarations that she has supported ISIS and sees nothing wrong with that.

    If she comes home it needs to be to a cell.

    The UK is a democracy, I do not know if she has broken the law. I do know who ever radicalised her and took advantage of a 15 yr old, did break the law. It is clearly abuse to me.
    Now as an adult she needs to be assessed with that in mind. She needs to be helped if it is needed and monitored if she is still a threat.


  • #95
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭malinheader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The UK is a democracy, I do not know if she has broken the law. I do know who ever radicalised her and took advantage of a 15 yr old, did break the law. It is clearly abuse to me.
    Now as an adult she needs to be assessed with that in mind. She needs to be helped if it is needed and monitored if she is still a threat.

    Only abuse here would be to the citizens the uk by letting her back in.


  • #96
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,829 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    malinheader wrote: »
    Only abuse here would be to the citizens the uk by letting her back in.

    If she commits a crime against the UK, fair enough, she should be jailed and even if she is jailed, she is being jailed by a so called humane society, (a society above that of ISIS allegedly) and should receive help for what happened to her.
    Stoning her as she gets off a plane or boat is not really an answer.


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  • #97
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    What's sinead o'connor's view on all this?


  • #98
    valoren
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭valoren


    The Girl who cried Wolf.
    She had one child and the baby died of malnutrition.
    There's her first clue.
    She had a second child and the baby....shock....died of malnutrition.
    There's another clue.
    She is now having a third child and...dagnamit....some common sense finally kicks in.
    It finally clicks that the child will also die of malnutrition.
    And now she want's to come back.
    The moral imperative and dilemma is the safety of the child.
    She's not a child anymore. She's an adult, a manipulative individual, believing that exploiting the dire prospects of her unborn child will allow her to weasel her way back to civilization.

    So, let her back with one condition.
    Give up the child, let it have a chance to live, give as much intelligence as you can and you'll be then sent back to your extremist buddies.
    If you care about your child you'll accept that offer. The offer to save her child will thus be her decision. Take the offer and the child will live.

    Don't, then the death of another of your children will be on your conscience and you can go **** yourself.

    Sometimes an example has to be made of people particularly about the consequences down the line for those edging towards extremism.


  • #99
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭malinheader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If she commits a crime against the UK, fair enough, she should be jailed and even if she is jailed, she is being jailed by a so called humane society, (a society above that of ISIS allegedly) and should receive help for what happened to her.
    Stoning her as she gets off a plane or boat is not really an answer.

    I never mentioned using barbaric methods of killing which she is probably accustomed to.
    But I'm pretty sure letting someone like this back in will at some point lead to another atrocity in the UK. Anyhow is it worth taking a chance. There is enough being monitored at this moment in time.


  • #100
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Disgusting, I'm sure all the usual mentally ill lefty loons on here will be wishing her return.
    Her child will be murdering people on the streets of London in 20 years time.
    It's an incompatible ideology with the west.

    Wake the **** up.

    I already see the jihadi defending scumbag Sadiq Khan wants her back in - but of course he does.
    No doubt IRA terror supporter Jeremy Corbyn will be sending a plane for her too.


  • #101
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,829 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    malinheader wrote: »
    I never mentioned using barbaric methods of killing which she is probably accustomed to.
    But I'm pretty sure letting someone like this back in will at some point lead to another atrocity in the UK. Anyhow is it worth taking a chance. There is enough being monitored at this moment in time.

    She is a citizen of the UK, she is ultimately the responsibility of the UK.

    You may think you are 'sure', but you aren't really.
    Like other countries with a history of colonisation, expansionism and as the military dogsbody of a greater power the UK has centuries of experience dealing with those who have killed abroad. It also has centuries of experience dealing with those who are a threat to them because of their activity abroad.

    If the redtop newspapers stayed out of this, with their usual outrage, I would be sure state institutions can handle this one way or another.


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  • #102
    Giveaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    She is a citizen of the UK, she is ultimately the responsibility of the UK.

    You may think you are 'sure', but you aren't really.
    Like other countries with a history of colonisation, expansionism and as the military dogsbody of a greater power the UK has centuries of experience dealing with those who have killed abroad. It also has centuries of experience dealing with those who are a threat to them because of their activity abroad.

    If the redtop newspapers stayed out of this, with their usual outrage, I would be sure state institutions can handle this one way or another.
    she voluntarily joined a foreign state that wages war against the uk. They have no obligation to seek her return. She joined the middle eastern equivalent of the einsatzgruppen


  • #103
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,829 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Giveaway wrote: »
    she voluntarily joined a foreign state that wages war against the uk. They have no obligation to seek her return. She joined the middle eastern equivalent of the einsatzgruppen

    She wants to return as I understand it.


  • #104
    jim o doom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    From what I've read, if she is handed over to the Syrian government a beheading is a likely outcome, which means neither the UK nor the Kurds would have to deal with her. Sounds good to me.


  • #105
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,123 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    She wants to return as I understand it.


    If she wants to return she will have to make her own way back. The british government are not obliged to help her.


  • #106
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    jim o doom wrote: »
    From what I've read, if she is handed over to the Syrian government a beheading is a likely outcome, which means neither the UK nor the Kurds would have to deal with her. Sounds good to me.

    Sure beheadings dont faze her so it's all good in the hood.


  • #107
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭malinheader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    She is a citizen of the UK, she is ultimately the responsibility of the UK.

    You may think you are 'sure', but you aren't really.
    Like other countries with a history of colonisation, expansionism and as the military dogsbody of a greater power the UK has centuries of experience dealing with those who have killed abroad. It also has centuries of experience dealing with those who are a threat to them because of their activity abroad.

    If the redtop newspapers stayed out of this, with their usual outrage, I would be sure state institutions can handle this one way or another.

    Why would the news papers stay out of it.The more outrage the better to show the British government how people feel. We have seen before what a media silence caused in the UK.


  • #108
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,731 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    What did the Brits do during or after WW2 to any of their citizens who threw their lot in with the Nazis? Charged them with treason and threw their sorry arses in jail.


  • #109
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Kurds should just put one in the back of her head. Save all the aggro.


  • #110
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Disgusting, I'm sure all the usual mentally ill lefty loons on here will be wishing her return.
    Her child will be murdering people on the streets of London in 20 years time.
    It's an incompatible ideology with the west.

    Wake the **** up.

    I already see the jihadi defending scumbag Sadiq Khan wants her back in - but of course he does.
    No doubt IRA terror supporter Jeremy Corbyn will be sending a plane for her too.

    You don't have to be mentally ill to be a lefty.


  • #111
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    She wants to return as I understand it.


    When she joined IS, a declared nation state that is at war with the UK and many others, she renounced her own country.
    That's ignoring the murder, enslavement and the crimes against humanity she supported.
    whisky_galore wrote: »
    What did the Brits do during or after WW2 to any of their citizens who threw their lot in with the Nazis? Charged them with treason and threw their sorry arses in jail.

    They executed Lord Haw Haw, William Joyce. He's buried out in Galway.


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  • #112
    BobMc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭BobMc


    So us, the western so called civilised world arent good enough for her so she joins ISIS.

    But we're good enough to come back to and live and get good healthcare

    umm No thanks love, stay where you are, you cant have it both ways in my book


  • #113
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,044 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    She should try and get a Irish passport and then she can get The Government plane to bring her home


  • #114
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Disgusting, I'm sure all the usual mentally ill lefty loons on here will be wishing her return.
    Her child will be murdering people on the streets of London in 20 years time.
    It's an incompatible ideology with the west.

    Wake the **** up.

    I already see the jihadi defending scumbag Sadiq Khan wants her back in - but of course he does.
    No doubt IRA terror supporter Jeremy Corbyn will be sending a plane for her too.

    Herp derp derp.

    I'm left wing and I started the f*cking thread saying she shouldn't be allowed back in. Likewise it was the left wing who defeated ISIS and fought them, 8 socialists and anarchists from the UK dying in Rojava in the process.

    Very, very few of the culture war online alt Right brigade were there I can tell you that.


  • #115
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    She should try and get a Irish passport and then she can get The Government plane to bring her home

    I'd say Zappone is trying to make contact with her as we speak.


  • #116
    Skyrimaddict
    Registered Users Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Skyrimaddict


    She will be allowed back folks, make no istake of that.
    it is why we lose out to these maniacs.

    I personally would let her make her own way back to ISIS and say fook off, you and your 3 kids before your 20. You wanted this life, go an have it.


  • #117
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,123 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Skyrimaddict wrote: »
    She will be allowed back folks, make no istake of that.
    it is why we lose out to these maniacs.

    I personally would let her make her own way back to ISIS and say fook off, you and your 3 kids before your 20. You wanted this life, go an have it.


    It is not a question of her being allowed back. She is a british citizen so they cannot prevent her from returning. That does not mean that they have to offer her any assistance to return nor does it mean she won't be investigated for criminal activity when she returns.


  • #118
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    cursai wrote: »
    You don't have to be mentally ill to be a lefty.

    Not all lefties are mentally ill.


  • #119
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Herp derp derp.

    I'm left wing and I started the f*cking thread saying she shouldn't be allowed back in. Likewise it was the left wing who defeated ISIS and fought them, 8 socialists and anarchists from the UK dying in Rojava in the process.

    Very, very few of the culture war online alt Right brigade were there I can tell you that.

    To be clear I'm not talking about the left in general here, I am talking about a fringe lunatic mob that is doing damage to the sane ones - I am actually classically left believe it or not.


  • #120
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    When she joined IS, a declared nation state that is at war with the UK and many others, she renounced her own country.
    That's ignoring the murder, enslavement and the crimes against humanity she supported.



    They executed Lord Haw Haw, William Joyce. He's buried out in Galway.

    To be fair she was already doing that as a British citizen so that shouldn't be held against her.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • #121
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 16,353 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    ****


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    It is not a question of her being allowed back. She is a british citizen so they cannot prevent her from returning. That does not mean that they have to offer her any assistance to return nor does it mean she won't be investigated for criminal activity when she returns.

    Don't they all have to destroy their passport's when joining ISIS as well as renouncing their citizenship? I'm sure she is still legally a British citizen, but surely an exception should be made here to deter others from exploiting the generosity of western nations. Where that would leave her status is a poser of a question but surely an answer can be found. Support of barbarism of the type carried out by ISIS isn't something that should be tolerated in any civilised country.

    Glazers Out!



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