Turkish forces have started bombing and attacking Kurdish people in Syria

blueshade wrote: »

So how long exactly are they supposed to stay there? A year, 5 years, 10 years? Erdogan has wanted to invade for a long time and it wouldn't matter how long he had to wait as soon as the Americans moved out he would move out. Only a year or so ago Angela Merkel wanted Europe to pay him 3 billion euro to take refugees and to speed up Turkey's membership of the EU.

You quoted my post with this reply but my reply is simply to read my post that you quoted. I said I agree with removing troops but not like this. Absolute lunacy.

Trump via Twitter:

We defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate and no longer have any troops in the area under attack by Turkey, in Syria. We did our job perfectly! Now Turkey is attacking the Kurds, who have been fighting each other for 200 years....

....We have one of three choices: Send in thousands of troops and win Militarily, hit Turkey very hard Financially and with Sanctions, or mediate a deal between Turkey and the Kurds!

mediate a deal? would it not have been an idea to think about that possibility before pulling out? Somehow, I can't see the Kurds agreeing to that

To add insult to injury - the Kurds DID fight in WWII

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/10/10/actually-president-trump-some-kurds-did-fight-world-war-ii/

Turkey have quite the track record when it comes to genocide, Greeks, Armenians and Kurds.
But they never get called out on it, even our own spineless government don't officially reconogise the Armenian genocide.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Refugees returning to Syria would likely have to be forcibly repatriated by Turkey and it would create a humanitarean disaster which would also include the Kurds.

The Turks have form in moving people around or what we would normally term genocide. :rolleyes:

Tessa Petite Yokel wrote: »

Jihadist fighters including Bin Laden were proxy soldiers for the USA in Afghanistan when it was under control of the USSR. They were trained and their ideology was promoted.

US soldiers were deployed to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War to defend against a potential attack by Iraq. The presence of infidels in the holy land was intolerable to the jihadi religious fanatics, and it was then that they turned against the USA.

ISIS was formed by jihadists in Iraq after the removal of Saddam, who was not a religious ruler.

So the USA's actions were part of what led to the development of ISIS - but ISIS are not proxy soldiers of the USA.

US soldiers had to be moved into SA to enable them retake Kuwait.
Actually talk to some of the western guys that were in SA at that time and the stories you hear about the religious police doing their nut because female soldiers were driving past them in trucks wearing only a vest.
Of course according to some they later took out that frustration on any westerners.
Also the Saudi military would not function without Western, often ex military, doing a lot of the technical work for them.

ISIS grew out of the holding camps in Iraq and the way the US were treating the detainees.
Also there were lots of disgruntled Sunnis after the Shia started gaining power.
It was a fertile recruiting ground for the jihadists.

Saddam wasn't a religious leader, but by god did he use tribal and by extension religious differences to keep himself in power.

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Where did you learn this?

Ah FFS read a book, look up some documentaries.

Gatling wrote: »

Bin Laden wasn't trained or worked with the Americans in Afghanistan ,

Ehh Afghan and Arab Mujahideen received funding, equipment and training from Pakistani ISI intelligence agency, but was it really coming from US.
Operation cyclone by the CIA was pouring hundreds of millions a year into Afganistan by the end of the 80s.
Pakistan and indeed the CIA favoured Afgan leader/warlord Hekmatyar.
And guess who he was great mates with ?
Yes one Osama bin Laden.
There is no way in hell that US did not have some interaction with good old Osama back in the day.

bin laden raised funding in Saudi Arabia through his family connections.
His family have always been close to House of Saud and indeed to US.

Gatling wrote: »

The foreign groups who turned up in Afghanistan mostly came from Saudi and carried out there own agenda in the country they were actually dispised by the local Afghan communities and fighters

Actually who do they like?
They have engaged in tribal warfare for centuries.

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I am no fan of Turkey and also do not care about the Kurds forming a state.
Turkey has said their reason for moving into Syria are for humanitarian reasons.

Turkey says it is trying to create a safe zone in a 20-30 mile strip in Syria outside of Assad's control so they can re-house 1 million of the 3 million Syrian refugees they have living in make shift shanty towns in Turkey. Erdogan has said his plan is to build towns and housing for the refugees within this safe zone. The EU had promised Turkey 6 Billion euro to be paid by the end of 2018 in order to keep the refugees in Turkey however to date only 1.85 Billion has been paid. Turkey have to do something with the large number of refugees and have been asking the EU to help with this plan which the EU has refused, Turkey said they will send those refugees to Europe if all else fails.

But then again the Turks have a history of treating the Kurds in a horrible way so it is hard to believe that Turkey just wants to help the refugees.

Ah what a load of unadulterated bullshyte.

Erdogan and a hell of a lot of Turks just do not want an independent Kurdish area on their border lest it gives the Kurds they have subjugated over the years within their own borders any support or even ideas.

The Turks couldn't be bothered helping fight ISIS because ISIS was primarily fighting the Kurds.
In fact they refused to help the Americans at one stage.

Oh and on top of that they people in to join ISIS and let ISIS smuggle oil and artifacts out.