Greening

Nekarsulm · 27-02-2015 2:09am #1

Today I received the Basic Payment entitlements letter. I am actually going to get €70 per year increase. But no doubt, some deductions or other will negate that. On the almost 31% portion now attributed to Greening, as I understand it, no specific action is required when all the farm is in permanent pasture?

skoger · 27-02-2015 8:50am

Yeah that's right - you're "Green by Definition". I see the Dept are only telling half the story with that letter. My entitlement value is being cut by around €6 over the 5 years but you take greening into account each entitlement is down over €9

Sami23 · 27-02-2015 9:49am

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Today I received the Basic Payment entitlements letter. I am actually going to get €70 per year increase. But no doubt, some deductions or other will negate that. On the almost 31% portion now attributed to Greening, as I understand it, no specific action is required when all the farm is in permanent pasture?

Just wondering has everyone received this letter by now as I haven't got it yet ?

dzer2 · 27-02-2015 9:50am

Sami23 wrote: »

Just wondering has everyone received this letter by now as I haven't got it yet ?

Got mine yesterday:cool:

supersean1999 · 27-02-2015 10:03am

Got mine

Greengrass1 · 27-02-2015 11:23am

Losing 8/9e every yr here

freedominacup · 27-02-2015 11:29am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Losing 8/9e every yr here

18e/ha/year here.

Ah nuts · 27-02-2015 11:32am

will the disadvantaged area scheme still be in place

Greengrass1 · 27-02-2015 11:44am

freedominacup wrote: »

18e/ha/year here.

Ouch.
We will bring some if back with young farmer top up but not all of it

larrymiller · 27-02-2015 12:56pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ouch.
We will bring some if back with young farmer top up but not all of it

It's not from greening your losing it from gg is it?

rangler1 · 27-02-2015 1:12pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Losing 8/9e every yr here

Is that only €8/9 per ha.
mine isn't going to be as bad as I thought.
It's decreasing by about €22/ha per year until 2019....happy out

supersean1999 · 27-02-2015 1:20pm

rangler1 wrote: »

Is that only €8/9 per ha.
mine isn't going to be as bad as I thought.
It's decreasing by about €22/ha per year until 2019....happy out

Thats not a lot out of e400/ha

mayota · 27-02-2015 4:16pm

What's the story with the Base Unit Value, seems very low here compared to previous years but greening makes up the difference.

sh1tstirrer · 27-02-2015 4:33pm

I'll gain €23/year by 2019 it might buy a bottle of whiskey Christmas 2019.

td5man · 27-02-2015 4:35pm

Ah nuts wrote: »

will the disadvantaged area scheme still be in place

Yep ,it has a new name. Anc or something like that.

Green farmer · 27-02-2015 4:42pm

I thought I was going up a bit. But then realised the greening sort of replaces the extra money you get from the sheep grassland. So not sure if I'm us or down in real terms , I think ?

td5man · 27-02-2015 4:48pm

Green farmer wrote: »

I thought I was going up a bit. But then realised the greening sort of replaces the extra money you get from the sheep grassland. So not sure if I'm us or down in real terms , I think ?

My basic payment is up €0.23/ha.

whelan2 · 27-02-2015 10:25pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Just wondering has everyone received this letter by now as I haven't got it yet ?

its on agfood online

Farmer Pudsey · 27-02-2015 10:33pm

In 2019 mine will be similar to what I got last year in 2014. My entitlements are going down by between 2.5 and 3%/year.

Sami23 · 28-02-2015 12:50am

whelan2 wrote: »

its on agfood online

I can't seem to find the BPS entitlement values and greening figures on agfood. I can access the new application alright and see land details for this year.
Where is the stuff about the money located

whelan2 · 28-02-2015 8:24am

Sami23 wrote: »

I can't seem to find the BPS entitlement values and greening figures on agfood. I can access the new application alright and see land details for this year.
Where is the stuff about the money located

go to direct payments
then bps/greening/sps
then correspondence on the bottom left
then guide to bps entitlements 2015-2019
click view
on my computer which ever one you pick will be in your downloads hth

Sami23 · 28-02-2015 9:28am

whelan2 wrote: »

go to direct payments
then bps/greening/sps
then correspondence on the bottom left
then guide to bps entitlements 2015-2019
click view
on my computer which ever one you pick will be in your downloads hth

Thanks Whelan but stil no joy. The only correspondence I have there is the pre printed maps for coming year.

whelan2 · 28-02-2015 10:17am

Sami23 wrote: »

Thanks Whelan but stil no joy. The only correspondence I have there is the pre printed maps for coming year.

it should be under that, maybe give them a ring on monday

Bigbird1 · 28-02-2015 4:19pm

What exactly is greening ?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 28-02-2015 4:27pm

td5man wrote: »

My basic payment is up €0.23/ha.

Drinks are on you, so;)

As far as i can make out so far, i will be down about 800 euro in total by the end so not too bad. Regretting selling the bull weanlings now when i took over to build a shed to put the heifers in.:(

KatyMac · 28-02-2015 7:32pm

I got mine and think I'm up about €10 but I'm sure that will be taken some other way

Nekarsulm · 28-02-2015 7:59pm

Bigbird1 wrote: »

What exactly is greening ?

Here is an explanation I found online. Basically its a way to cut 30% from your SFP, unless you adopt certain procedures. More applicable to people with a proportion of tillage crops in their acerage. (at the moment!)

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2014/3207/Greening_article_Todays_Farm_July_August_for_web.pdf

Connemara Farmer · 28-02-2015 8:04pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Here is an explanation I found online. Basically its a way to cut 30% from your SFP, unless you adopt certain procedures. More applicable to people with a proportion of tillage crops in their acerage.

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2014/3207/Greening_article_Todays_Farm_July_August_for_web.pdf

There's a theory out there that individual greening may prove to be a mistake. If you think about it, Farmer A with a large payment is getting payed X amount for greening, while Farmer B with a small payment is getting paid Y amount for greening.

If someone wanted to save money in the future, they may well say, hey, these guys or girls are doing the same job, but Farmer B is doing it for SFA, so why are we paying Farmer A much more than Farmer B?

larrymiller · 28-02-2015 9:01pm

Do tillage and beef here.
Putting one tillage field back into grass in to keep them happy. Luckily one year when we were reseeding we put barley in it as a once off and then put it in grass and that has worked in out favour.
How ever one of the largest operaters in Ireland can just sow a green crop after the harvest and let's it grow for the winter and then harrows it in and tills again.
Then again 30% of his sfp would be a few hundred grand a year

supersean1999 · 28-02-2015 9:08pm

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

There's a theory out there that individual greening may prove to be a mistake. If you think about it, Farmer A with a large payment is getting payed X amount for greening, while Farmer B with a small payment is getting paid Y amount for greening.

If someone wanted to save money in the future, they may well say, hey, these guys or girls are doing the same job, but Farmer B is doing it for SFA, so why are we paying Farmer A much more than Farmer B?

I thought the idea was that farmer A and farmer B. Were supposed to meet in the middle ONE day

Nekarsulm · 28-02-2015 9:18pm

I think you will find that the middle will fall nearer the lower end of the scale.....

Greening

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