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15-04-2019, 23:10   #136
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Roger Federer has completely obliterated all records in mens tennis, in a sport with a historically short lifespan that has been a death sentence previously for people aged 30 and above.
He is superb. But things have fallen well for the Big Three and their longevity and number of titles, in that the competition from younger generation (generations at this stage) is pathetic. Tennis has long been a young persons game. But the conveyor belt of new kids just stopped at the right time for them.
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True, but he is the 'great'-est.
He's not even the undisputed greatest at his own frigging sport.
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He's not even the undisputed greatest at his own frigging sport.
Undisputably, he is.
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15-04-2019, 23:14   #139
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He is superb. But things have fallen well for the Big Three and their longevity and number of titles, in that the competition from younger generation (generations at this stage) is pathetic. Tennis has long been a young persons game. But the conveyor belt of new kids just stopped at the right time for them.
No its because those three tennis players are so good that no young players can't break though, they are blocking them, not necessarily young players fault.

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic's level has barely fallen whilst entering their 30s, they're just too good.

Had just one of them not been around, two of them would've likely hit near 30 Grand Slams.
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Undisputably, he is.
You can make a claim for him being the greatest, but there is no way Woods will ever the undisputed greatest ever until he surpasses Nicklaus tally. 18-15 will ALWAYS be held against him. I hold that opinion for Ronnie O'Sullivan for not surpassing Hendry, at the worlds, and for Leo Messi due his lack of international success.

And I would have said that Federer had he been stuck on 13 Grand Slams. But Federer has broken almost all records for mens professional tennis. Wayne Gretzky is the undisputed GOAT of Ice Hockey, Michael Jordan is probably the undisputed GOAT of Basketball (although Lebron is pushing him), Tom Brady is probably the undisputed GOAT quarterback.
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You can make a claim for him being the greatest, but there is no way Woods will ever the undisputed greatest ever until he surpasses Nicklaus tally.
Nicklaus barely knocked if off the tee on Thursday. He isnt a factor any more.
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Michael Jordan is probably the undisputed GOAT of Basketball (although Lebron is pushing him)
Ah will you stop. LBJ is nowhere near as good as MJ. MJ was a machine. Best player ever, by far.
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Ah will you stop. LBJ is nowhere near as good as MJ. MJ was a machine. Best player ever, by far.
I don't hold that opinion, but plenty of others do as you know, particularly younger people. Some even think its Kobe Bryant.
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Nikki lauda had a horrific high speed crash, the car burst into flame around him, other cars then crashed into him. He gets pulled out of the wreckage, gets his lungs hoovered out, loses his ears and refuses to be put into a coma to recuperate in case he never wakes up, then a month later he's driving the car again in the sort of pain most humans couldn't endure, finishes fourth with a helmet soaked in blood from all the burnt flesh falling off him and then only loses out on a world title because he *chose* not to finish a race. A few years after he retired he came back and won another title.


This golfing dude was good, then wasn't very good, had an operation, and eventually got OK again. Colour me impressed.
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Nikki lauda had a horrific high speed crash, the car burst into flame around him, other cars then crashed into him. He gets pulled out of the wreckage, gets his lungs hoovered out, loses his ears and refuses to be put into a coma to recuperate in case he never wakes up, then a month later he's driving the car again in the sort of pain most humans couldn't endure, finishes fourth with a helmet soaked in blood from all the burnt flesh falling off him and then only loses out on a world title because he *chose* not to finish a race. A few years after he retired he came back and won another title.


This golfing dude was good, then wasn't very good, had an operation, and eventually got OK again. Colour me impressed.
This guy sounds like a f*cking idiot more than anything.
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This guy sounds like a f*cking idiot more than anything.
Niki Lauda is a god. The film Rush about his F1 battle with James Hunt is fantastic. Watch that and see how much of an idiot he is.
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Apparently he was mad for getting his arsehole eaten out according to one of the tarts he was getting up on during that expose a few years back.

Cracking tee shot on the 16th.
I'd say he was up to his hole in rimjobs last night
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Diego Maradona, 1994 World Cup. Fat, drug addled, etc. Got himself in shape and into the Argentinian squad. Ok sure he had a bit of help, but could have been if he wasn't randomly sampled.
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You can make a claim for him being the greatest, but there is no way Woods will ever the undisputed greatest ever until he surpasses Nicklaus tally. 18-15 will ALWAYS be held against him. I hold that opinion for Ronnie O'Sullivan for not surpassing Hendry, at the worlds, and for Leo Messi due his lack of international success.

And I would have said that Federer had he been stuck on 13 Grand Slams. But Federer has broken almost all records for mens professional tennis. Wayne Gretzky is the undisputed GOAT of Ice Hockey, Michael Jordan is probably the undisputed GOAT of Basketball (although Lebron is pushing him), Tom Brady is probably the undisputed GOAT quarterback.
I find these arguments to be rather tedious.

Success in sport, like life, is relative.

To my mind, winning the most majors doesnt automatically make you the greatest golfer of all time. It makes you the player that has won the most major championships.

I believe that there is no such thing as the greatest of all time. Perhaps you have the greatest player of their generation. To compare players from different generations is a futile exercise. There are so many things that will change from generation to generation that will render comparisons meaningless.

Harry Vardon has won 6 Open Championships. There's a record that is unlikely ever to be beaten. Your argument would be that Harry Vardon is the greatest british open player. My argument is that to compare this feat to any feat in modern golf is futile as the circumstance of his wins will differ from those of the modern era

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Its the sporting drama story of the century.
You just wont see anything more extraordinary for the rest of your lives.
For mastery of a sporting skill, competitive drive, and iron will to rise above the ordinary and be a superman, Tiger is it. We saw it today. All other sports human interest stories pale to nothing in comparison.

Conor McGregor comes out of Retirement
Beats Kahabib
Beats Tony Ferguson
Beats Mayweather
Retires.

Greatest Sports man and sporting achievement of all time. Simple
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