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15-04-2019, 14:33   #1381
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(For the sake of brevity, I'm not replying to the points that are not relevant to arguments I've made, apart from the opening one, which, I agree was a bit unclear. But to clarify: I was refer only to innunendo only in the name of the group)

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You're condescending tone towards those with whom you disagree with, smacks of intolerance of their position. An unwillingness to see things from the others side. (Thats the intolerance bit- you keep missing it)
Ah, my tone. Of course. You're not actually reading the words then, or is this just an attempt at the moral highground?

As I said, I find the idea that it's automatically going to sexualised because their only association of it is in risque nightclubs ignorant. You say yourself below, no one knows. That's not intolerance, that's just pointing out ignorance based on assumption.

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Whether its sexualized or not is moot, no one knows. It might be laden with innuendo, or the most chaste reading ever. Probably somewhere in between.
I've addressed this.

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15-04-2019, 14:38   #1382
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Shirley Temple-Bar did telly-bingo for years on daytime RTE both in and out of drag for years without any problems.
I think you might have touched on the main issue here. When people think of this reading thing, they're probably thinking that it's more Drag Race than it is Shirley Temple Bar.
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I think you might have touched on the main issue here. When people think of this reading thing, they're probably thinking that it's more Drag Race than it is Shirley Temple Bar.

Well, when you see how Glitter Hole advertise themselves, you can see why people don't think that it's very 'Shirley Temple Bar'.
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(For the sake of brevity, I'm not replying to the points that are not relevant to arguments I've made, apart from the opening one, which, I agree was a bit unclear. But to clarify: I was refer only to innunendo only in the name of the group)

Ah, my tone. Of course. You're not actually reading the words then, or is this just an attempt at the moral highground?

As I said, I find the idea that it's automatically going to sexualised because their only association of it is in risque nightclubs ignorant. You say yourself below, no one knows. That's not intolerance, that's just pointing out ignorance based on assumption.

I've addressed this.

You've addressed this... "not reading the words". indeed. You can tell a lot of someone by their choice of language, tone etc.
I take your point re innuendo though. Took you long enough.


If this troop of entertainers were so set on providing "alternative" fun book readings, they should set up a Garda vetted group, build a base, rather than cashing in on whatever appeal or cachet 'Glitter Hole' has, and avoid provoking all the hand wringing, "bigotry" etc. Ive no issue with LGBT people around my kids, close friends are gay ( incidentally, one of the couple hates the drag scene, the other loves it), but not this lot in this role.

(or is there a bang of the Belfast cake of this?
* removes tinfoil hat).

And if the moral high ground has people verbalising concerns for putting 3yr olds in a room with Garda unvetted risqué adult entertainers, well, there you'll find me!
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Some unaccountable manager/employee/civil serving had to have signed off on this. They should be ducking hung. Sick bastards.
I presume you meant civil servant?
There are no civil servants working in DLR.
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15-04-2019, 16:44   #1386
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I had a look at Glitter HOLE's Facebook page to see what is on it.

It would not appear appropriate for 3-7 year old children. Reference to butt plugs, swearing and some sexualised content.

Now, I am not saying that this is what was intended for the reading at the library, but they do not seem to be an ideal choice for a reading group as it does not appear that children are their target audience.

Just like if any group that were not age appropriate were signed up, people should question it.
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He was 56th in driving accuracy at Augusta. Missed 20 fairways or thereabouts. Now they weren't all bad misses, some in the first cut and others just off and into the pine straw. But there were quite a few where it badly affected his second shot. Like on the 18th on Sunday where he had a big miss and bogeyed the hole. Luckily he had two sh9ots to spare, but that was one of them. On the bigger hitting courses, that sort of accuracy could put him out of the running.

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Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy, who runs the Gender Clinic at Los Angeles Children's Hospital (and who advocates for mastectomies in girls from age 13) got grant funding last year to reduce the age at which children receive cross sex hormones from 13 to 8 years old. That is not puberty-blockers - that is full on CROSS SEX hormones from the other gender at EIGHT YEARS OLD. Testosterone injections or tablets, for example.

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Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy, who runs the Gender Clinic at Los Angeles Children's Hospital (and who advocates for mastectomies in girls from age 13) got grant funding last year to reduce the age at which children receive cross sex hormones from 13 to 8 years old. That is not puberty-blockers - that is full on CROSS SEX hormones from the other gender at EIGHT YEARS OLD. Testosterone injections or tablets, for example.

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Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy, who runs the Gender Clinic at Los Angeles Children's Hospital (and who advocates for mastectomies in girls from age 13) got grant funding last year to reduce the age at which children receive cross sex hormones from 13 to 8 years old. That is not puberty-blockers - that is full on CROSS SEX hormones from the other gender at EIGHT YEARS OLD. Testosterone injections or tablets, for example.

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Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy, who runs the Gender Clinic at Los Angeles Children's Hospital (and who advocates for mastectomies in girls from age 13) got grant funding last year to reduce the age at which children receive cross sex hormones from 13 to 8 years old. That is not puberty-blockers - that is full on CROSS SEX hormones from the other gender at EIGHT YEARS OLD. Testosterone injections or tablets, for example.

That's disgusting stuff.
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Well, when you see how Glitter Hole advertise themselves, you can see why people don't think that it's very 'Shirley Temple Bar'.
Exactly! Ffs, it's not unreasonable to object to people whose act is for adults only, hosting an event for children aged seven and under - doesn't matter whether they are gay, straight or bisexual. Arguing that this is a Helen Lovejoy position etc is just absurd.
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I was a bit surprised to see so many people voice their support for the Glitter Hole drag group after they were stopped from reading stories to kids. Apparently we just have to accept any activity, unquestionably, as long as it flies under the flag of inclusivity. To even question this is to be branded a bigot.

The question I found myself asking is why are some drags so keen to spread their message to very young children? The answer is complicated, but a very high proportion of transvestites are Autogynophiliacs - they get off by dressing as members of the opposite. It's a sexual paraphelia. 3% of males exhibit this. Drag acts are thus, hugely sexualised. And that's fine. Grown ups exhibiting their sexual paraphelia in front of other grown ups and making a cabaret about it is fine. But do not try to compare it to a male playing Lady Macbeth or to a pantomime Dame. This is very different. They are trying to introduce a sexual paraphelia as mainstream.

Would you allow people dressed in S&M gear read stories to your kids?
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16-04-2019, 00:52   #1390
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I was a bit surprised to see so many people voice their support for the Glitter Hole drag group after they were stopped from reading stories to kids. Apparently we just have to accept any activity, unquestionably, as long as it flies under the flag of inclusivity. To even question this is to be branded a bigot.

The question I found myself asking is why are some drags so keen to spread their message to very young children? The answer is complicated, but a very high proportion of transvestites are Autogynophiliacs - they get off by dressing as members of the opposite. It's a sexual paraphelia. 3% of males exhibit this. Drag acts are thus, hugely sexualised. And that's fine. Grown ups exhibiting their sexual paraphelia in front of other grown ups and making a cabaret about it is fine. But do not try to compare it to a male playing Lady Macbeth or to a pantomime Dame. This is very different. They are trying to introduce a sexual paraphelia as mainstream.

Would you allow people dressed in S&M gear read stories to your kids?
Big difference between transvestism and drag.

And from there to S&M...? Classic slippery slope fallacy.

Finally, the support was for pantomime-style drag in general, rather than the Glitter Hole burlesque. No one is supporting the later, but I'd seriously doubt that's what the intended (and if it was, is be against it with the rest of you).

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Big difference between transvestism and drag.

And from there to S&M...? Classic slippery slope fallacy.
Not really, and not really.

There is a huge chance that dudes who dress up as women and tell bawdy jokes at night are Autogynophiliacs. It is not bigoted or homophobic to express concern that they will read stories to kids and perhaps insert elements of their disorder to vulnerable children.

Why not S&M storytellers? They are equally sexually dysphorics.
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****ing sick of this kinda ****e being forced into everyday situations it has no place in.

Kids do not need to be dragged into gay pride lefty propaganda bull****. Unfortunately though the direction this country is going in dont be surprised to see more of this kinda crap appear! There's far to many weak people who actually would be in favour of it as well.

I'd be willing to bet that gender studies will be introduced as part of the primary and secondary school programme not to far down the line.
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Big difference between transvestism and drag.

And from there to S&M...? Classic slippery slope fallacy.
Not really, and not really.

There is a huge chance that dudes who dress up as women and tell bawdy jokes at night are Autogynophiliacs. It is not bigoted or homophobic to express concern that they will read stories to kids and perhaps insert elements of their disorder to vulnerable children.

Why not S&M storytellers? They are equally sexually dysphorics.
First is you trying to pass off badly researched opinion as fact, and with the second you appear not to know the diffetence between the portrayal of a fantasy character and a sexual addiction in the second.

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I see DLR has changed their original cancellation statement from being unsuitable for this age group

''dlr Libraries wish to advise that the Drag Story Time event planned to take place on Wednesday 26th June at 3pm in Deansgrange Library will not now go ahead. This event was programmed as an age appropriate, family-friendly story time session. However, following a review in terms of age appropriateness, this event will not now go ahead at this time, and may be rescheduled as part of a future Book Festival lineup.''

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In its new statement this afternoon, Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council said health and safety is at the forefront of its concerns.

“We would like to reassure the public that this event is age-appropriate and family-friendly.”

The council said its libraries “object to homophobia in all its forms” and that it reserves the right to remove content or comments on its social media platforms that “may be considered offensive, abusive or defamatory”.

“DLR Libraries remains safe, inclusive and welcoming places for all and offer a diverse, cultural programme.”
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I had a look at Glitter HOLE's Facebook page to see what is on it.

It would not appear appropriate for 3-7 year old children. Reference to butt plugs, swearing and some sexualised content.

Now, I am not saying that this is what was intended for the reading at the library, but they do not seem to be an ideal choice for a reading group as it does not appear that children are their target audience.

Just like if any group that were not age appropriate were signed up, people should question it.
I'm sure, like any other performer, the act is something that gets turned on and off, so there's no reason to think any of the more adult themed content would be delivered to the kids. I remember there being a big scandal in the US when some porn star signed up to a some programme to read books to kids in hospitals I think, could have been in schools either. The usual puritans were horrified at the mere suggestion that this woman could dare sit in front of their kids and recite the 3 little pigs. (Then they went and polished their assault rifles to calm down)

But I just can't for the life of me understand why anyone thought this was a good idea - why would you have a drag act read to kids? What's to be gained? What possible benefit is to be had by the inclusion of cross dressing? I just don't see the point.

You couldn't counter with why not, I suppose - but if that's the best argument for doing something, then it's probably not really worth doing. It's certainly no great loss to not do it in that case!

I wouldn't bring my kids along to it.

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