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  • #32
    earlytobed
    Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭earlytobed


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Pure greed.

    No more, no less.

    Gosafe make lots of money, but at a cost to the taxpayer

    The consortium was paid €17.27million in 2017, of which €7.5million was recouped for the Exchequer through fines paid by motorists.

    Operating at a €10 million loss


  • #33
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    earlytobed wrote: »
    Gosafe make lots of money, but at a cost to the taxpayer

    The consortium was paid €17.27million in 2017, of which €7.5million was recouped for the Exchequer through fines paid by motorists.

    Operating at a €10 million loss

    It's actually laughable to be honest.....

    The state are going mad to privatise everything and in the end it ends up costing way more.


  • #34
    Xwebstar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Xwebstar


    They must.be catching f**" all if they're losing that much money

    Gosafe van should easily pay for itself in the right locations


  • #35
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    earlytobed wrote: »
    Gosafe make lots of money, but at a cost to the taxpayer

    The consortium was paid €17.27million in 2017, of which €7.5million was recouped for the Exchequer through fines paid by motorists.

    Operating at a €10 million loss
    based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
    Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?
    punisher5112 wrote: »
    It's actually laughable to be honest.....

    The state are going mad to privatise everything and in the end it ends up costing way more.
    How so?
    It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down


  • #36
    earlytobed
    Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭earlytobed


    Xwebstar wrote: »
    They must.be catching f**" all if they're losing that much money

    Gosafe van should easily pay for itself in the right locations

    They're not necessarily there to "catch" people, they are supposed to have a role in changing behaviour.

    They're often in a spot that can be seen well before you come into range


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  • #37
    earlytobed
    Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭earlytobed


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
    Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?


    How so?
    It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down

    The figures quoted are 2017


  • #38
    Xwebstar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Xwebstar


    Where's that costing of €1 million per fatality coming.from?


  • #39
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Xwebstar wrote: »
    Where's that costing of €1 million per fatality coming.from?

    C5.3 Accident Costs - RSA.ie


  • #40
    McGrath5
    Registered Users Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Glad to see a main road nearby to me is on the map, it's a 50 kmh zone but the speed some drivers do is disgraceful.


  • #41
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
    Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?


    How so?
    It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down

    Have you seen any Garda freed up from this???

    Eh no as traffic corp numbers dropped ... Obviously now called roads policing as of the 1 million etc breathalyser checks done under the old that actually weren't carried out....

    Laughable


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  • #42
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    It's actually laughable to be honest.....

    The state are going mad to privatise everything and in the end it ends up costing way more.

    People seem to want it both ways when it comes to speed vans. The fact they take in money apparently a bad thing. But the fact they operate at a loss overall is also a bad thing?


  • #43
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Xwebstar wrote: »
    Where's that costing of €1 million per fatality coming.from?

    Fire, ambulance, costs of clean up etc etc and of course money lost such as prsi, paye, vat etc....


  • #44
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    People seem to want it both ways when it comes to speed vans. The fact they take in money apparently a bad thing. But the fact they operate at a loss overall is also a bad thing?


    If they actually saved lives....

    It's not all about speeding....

    Texting, watching videos, plating games, social media etc on phone is only a €60 fine..... That's so wrong.


  • #45
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Have you seen any Garda freed up from this???

    Eh no as traffic corp numbers dropped ... Obviously now called roads policing as of the 1 million etc breathalyser checks done under the old that actually weren't carried out....

    Laughable
    How many gardai would it take to perform the same tasks as GoSafe?
    The fact that they're not doing the speed checks means that they are now able to work elsewhere.
    It's simple resourcing really, not sure why you fail to see it.


  • #46
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
    Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?


    How so?
    It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down

    There’s a road i know of where a speed van location is. 100 yards down the road further there’s a gard constantly with a speed gun. So it didn’t free up his time.


  • #47
    Xwebstar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Xwebstar


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    There’s a road i know of where a speed van location is. 100 yards down the road further there’s a gard constantly with a speed gun. So it didn’t free up his time.

    That's a Garda tactic to catch motorists speeding near to known speed vans

    They do it regularly


  • #48
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    There’s a road i know of where a speed van location is. 100 yards down the road further there’s a gard constantly with a speed gun. So it didn’t free up his time.
    I didn't say that it would :rolleyes:
    However, the garda that would otherwise have been in the van can now be on duty elsewhere.
    Again, it's not rocket science!

    Plus if he is there "constantly" then I can safely assume that there is a reason for that!
    Where is this place exactly?


  • #49
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Xwebstar wrote: »
    That's a Garda tactic to catch motorists speeding near to known speed vans

    They do it regularly


    No it’s not. It’s a huge ticket generator for the cop. It’s a huge wide safe road that has a ridiculously low speed limit and that’s where he/she sits. What pisses me off is that down the road a bit from there where i live there’s a dangerous narrow road that comes into the built up area that has kids playing and a lot of people walking around and the cars come full belt up it. Peoples pets have been killed also.

    The cop is never there because he knows he’ll never get as many tickets like he gets on the other road.


  • #50
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I didn't say that it would :rolleyes:
    However, the garda that would otherwise have been in the van can now be on duty elsewhere.
    Again, it's not rocket science!

    Plus if he is there "constantly" then I can safely assume that there is a reason for that!
    Where is this place exactly?

    Yes there’s a reason, read my last post


  • #51
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Yes there’s a reason, read my last post
    He wouldn't be there if people weren't speeding though!


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  • #52
    LillySV
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭LillySV


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    How many gardai would it take to perform the same tasks as GoSafe?
    The fact that they're not doing the speed checks means that they are now able to work elsewhere.
    It's simple resourcing really, not sure why you fail to see it.

    Yea, now they are set up outside Supermacs :)


  • #53
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    He wouldn't be there if people weren't speeding though!

    You mustn’t get it. So is it being about being slightly over the speed limit on a safe patch of road or preventing something nasty happening on a more dangerous road for the sake of boasting back at the station on how many tickets he wrote out?

    Where i might add there’s already a speedvan in that area.


  • #54
    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭blackbox


    A few red light cameras would be a good idea.


  • #55
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    I'd prefer if they would actually enforce peoples headlights. Could repay the National debt within weeks if they did.


  • #56
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    shane ross's one last 'F you ' to drivers.


  • #57
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    I drive 40 km to work on a rural road. 25 km will be speed cameras.


  • #58
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Tiana Millions Veteran wrote: »
    I drive 40 km to work on a rural road. 25 km will be speed cameras.

    But they'll be parked in certain spots..
    You won't be long learning where exactly they park up.


  • #59
    Dublinstiofán
    Registered Users Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭Dublinstiofán


    Most of them in Dublin City are in 30kph Zones which isn't possible if there is any sort of flow of traffic. Will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

    I read this morning that they are also taking down the ‘speed camera zone’ signs and replacing them with speed limit signs to really **** you over too! The odd time you’d see the speed camera sign and it would remind you to check your speed. Now they’re just out to get you!


  • #60
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Speed limits in a form as we know it are inconsistent and doesn't make sense in general.

    In the region where I used to live in Mayo, there are roads with 80km/h speed limit which are wide and good visibility, as well as much narrower roads with blind bends with 100km/h speed limit.
    You get occasional stretches marked at 50km/h pretending to be in built up areas while all there is around is fences and mountains, while you get 100km/h road going through viallage with shops, church, pubs, etc...


    I'm not saying that speed limits are not needed, but IMO many drivers are deceived in believing that if they obey speed limit they are driving safe.
    Bullsh1t in my opinion.
    Nothing unsafe of able driver doing 200km/h on empty motorway in a good car, and plenty wrong with half blind, tired 90 year old with very slow reactions driving his almost bald tyres, barely NCT legal old car at 100km/h limit in dense rain through the village.


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  • #61
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I see they will be on the M4 going into Dublin, all the way on the M50 to the airport and N4 going up to the M50 roundabout. Nice little cash earner there.

    Only against impatient drivers.


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