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'No-platforming' at Trinity College.

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    #32
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    At least give students the opportunity to listen to his crap and then instigate some sort of feedback?

    Prematurely invigilating who visits them is counterproductive, students do not need to be helicoptered by their faculty over what they can or cannot read, listen or learn?

    Not giving a voice to someone is a surefire way of amplifying their opinion, particularly with 20 year old academics. If they were hoping to silence Dawkins by disinviting him they have failed dramatically.

    Had they bit their lip he would have turned up and spoke to a room full of freshers ( probably less than 20 people ). Now the poor phuckers have to attend a lecture on Afro Caribbean culture? Can they not just listen to Bob Marley like everyone else did? At least more than 20 might turn up then.


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    #33
    the purple tin
    Registered Users Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Donald Noisy Shelf wrote: »
    Assume they're doing that jazz hands thing instead of any actual applause?
    The kinetic action of a clapping hand is far too upsetting, and a sensory overload for many a student these days.
    You mean the same Jazz Hands popularised by Al Jolson :eek:


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    #34
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,926 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Is a debating society about debate?
    Isn't the whole point about debate being able to critique an opposing argument and win out with reason and logic?

    I also always thought that a skilled debater is one who is able to make an argument that he/she is personally opposed to and win out against those who actually forward their own beliefs.

    If we are not allowed to even hear opinions that we may oppose then I guess by definition debate is dead.


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    #35
    nj27
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    the purple tin wrote: »
    'The faggiest damn place you've ever seen'?


    Why don't they let the students vote whether they want Dawkins to appear or not?
    They could do a poll on their website or something.
    It shouldn't be down to Bríd to decide what will make them uncomfortable.

    Why couldn't they let me fight them? The merits of ideas seem to be irrelevant, so why don't they let me fight their best representative in the ring tonight? Me rubbing my willy all over the face of an unconscious gentleman would be just as valid an argument as anything they have presented thus far.


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    #36
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    David Quinn was meant to be discussing this with Ebun on TodayFM's The Last Word

    https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1310989829388283904


    Edit, David Quinn would be in favour of letting the debate go ahead, I wonder what arguments Ebun will bring to the table...


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    #37
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,926 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    David Quinn was meant to be discussing this with Ebun on TodayFM's The Last Word

    https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1310989829388283904

    The Irony is that as an Atheist Dawkins is opposed to everything Quinn stands for.


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    #38
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,469 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    So often there is a herd view on Boards that seems to be predominantly male, but who knows - as its anonymous.

    There certainly is on this thread - poor old Richard......those damn liberals.

    I would love to know the gender balance of the people on this thread who feel The Hist should give this guy a platform, given his victim blaming proclamations on sexual assault.


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    #39
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,926 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    So often there is a herd view on Boards that seems to be predominantly male, but who knows - as its anonymous.

    There certainly is on this thread - poor old Richard......those damn liberals.

    I would love to know the gender balance of the people on this thread who feel The Hist should give this guy a platform, given his victim blaming proclamations on sexual assault.

    But Dawkins is the quintessential Liberal?


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    #40
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,207 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The Irony is that as an Atheist Dawkins is opposed to everything Quinn stands for.

    They can both be in complete disagreement with each other's point of view but still know the benefits of and enjoy healthy debate.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #41
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,469 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Liberals love diversity. Just not diversity of thought.

    Dawkins, it would appear, is guilty of wrongthink.

    Ah yes, the quintessential liberal.....except just different to the type of liberal we like to sneer at.


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    #42
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,926 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    They can both be in complete disagreement with each other's point of view but still know the benefits of and enjoy healthy debate.

    Yeah, that's my point.


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    #43
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,926 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Ah yes, the quintessential liberal.....except just different to the type of liberal we like to sneer at.

    What is a Liberal any more?
    Dawkins was always an Atheist.
    He believed in allowing abortion, same sex marriage etc, long before it was trendy.
    He was an old school 1970's labour man.

    Now that's not liberal enough for the modern day liberals.

    I just don't know anymore.


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    #44
    ExoPolitic
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    They do love to wrap themselves in cotton wool in their own ideas nowadays don't they?! University is about challenging your ideas and to write about it, not run away and hide in a dark corner...


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    #45
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    So often there is a herd view on Boards that seems to be predominantly male, but who knows - as its anonymous.

    There certainly is on this thread - poor old Richard......those damn liberals.

    I would love to know the gender balance of the people on this thread who feel The Hist should give this guy a platform, given his victim blaming proclamations on sexual assault.

    Which proclamations are those?


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    #46
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    ExoPolitic wrote: »
    They do love to wrap themselves in cotton wool in their own ideas nowadays don't they?! University is about challenging your ideas and to write about it, not run away and hide in a dark corner...

    Can’t be having people speak who go against the hive mentality or might cause them to think outside the bubble - safer to ban them so the ****ing pussies can have their milk cookie and blankie time in peace without being “triggered”. Wait till these cosseted clowns enter the real world, the shock will be something else.


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    #47
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,025 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    How do you know someone went to Trinity?
    They tell you whether they actually would like fries with that!


    Fixed your oul' post there


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    #48
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,089 ✭✭✭Augme


    Steyr 556 wrote: »
    It’s a bit like burning books by the Nazis in the 1930s. We disagree with your ideas and won’t entertain their existence.

    Would it not be better to tackle someone they disagree with head on in debate and at least attempt to highlight, expose or defeat their viewpoints?


    Well they tried that with the nazi party and look how well that turned out...


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    #49
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users Posts: 884 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    So often there is a herd view on Boards that seems to be predominantly male, but who knows - as its anonymous.

    There certainly is on this thread - poor old Richard......those damn liberals.

    I would love to know the gender balance of the people on this thread who feel The Hist should give this guy a platform, given his victim blaming proclamations on sexual assault.

    He shouldn't be de-platformed. If you don't think he's worthy of a platform then don't provide him an audience. Don't attend.


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    #50
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,025 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    He shouldn't be de-platformed. If you don't think he's worthy of a platform then don't provide him an audience. Don't attend.




    They can ask who they want. They can't simply run it as "anyone in the world who wants to come and talk shite can come and sure if people don't like that person then they can just not attend"


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    #51
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    So often there is a herd view on Boards that seems to be predominantly male, but who knows - as its anonymous.

    There certainly is on this thread - poor old Richard......those damn liberals.

    I would love to know the gender balance of the people on this thread who feel The Hist should give this guy a platform, given his victim blaming proclamations on sexual assault.

    What a lot of people call victim blaming is just cold logic. If blue and yellow get together and the outcome is green who is at fault? If I leave my car window down in a dodgy area and my laptop gets nicked and I not part of the result? The emotive one now, a girl staggering home drunk gets raped. The rapist is the 100% wrong doer however had she not been there it couldn’t have happened. Causation and effect. But that’s victim blaming.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #52
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users Posts: 884 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    They can ask who they want. They can't simply run it as "anyone in the world who wants to come and talk shite can come and sure if people don't like that person then they can just not attend"

    Yeah, hence it was Richard Dawkins they invited in the first place.


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    #53
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Imagine running a history society and not being able to tolerate narratives and views that you find distasteful. It really limits your scope as a historian.


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    #54
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users Posts: 884 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Feisar wrote: »
    What a lot of people call victim blaming is just cold logic. If blue and yellow get together and the outcome is green who is at fault? If I leave my car window down in a dodgy area and my laptop gets nicked and I not part of the result? The emotive one now, a girl staggering home drunk gets raped. The rapist is the 100% wrong doer however had she not been there it couldn’t have happened. Causation and effect. But that’s victim blaming.

    Exactly. It's not victim blaming to point out measures the victim could have taken to protect themselves. If people don't take responsibility for the things they can control then they're doomed to be a victim forever.


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    #55
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    Exactly. It's not victim blaming to point out measures the victim could have taken to protect themselves. If people don't take responsibility for the things they can control then they're doomed to be a victim forever.

    But yer victim blaming there. Like a lot of things these days anything that upsets a certain cohort’s sensibilities is labelled and shouted down.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #56
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,926 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Dawkins used to the the enemy of the Church who were trying to hide historic child sexual abuse.

    Now he is the enemy of the woke.


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    #57
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    So often there is a herd view on Boards that seems to be predominantly male, but who knows - as its anonymous.

    There certainly is on this thread - poor old Richard......those damn liberals.

    I would love to know the gender balance of the people on this thread who feel The Hist should give this guy a platform, given his victim blaming proclamations on sexual assault.

    Thats what you take from all the different contributions on this thread?

    Chxrst in a bucket. You offer no discussion of any ones pov but rather waltz in, throw ****e and make assumptions about peoples gender?

    It remains the study of history involves information and facts which may indeed be deemed unpalatable. That is unless the same students put their money where their mouths are and decide to boycot all lectures which they deem to be offensive and which just possibly may make them uncomfortable ...

    And you wonder why some might be amazed by such stupidity?


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    #58
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/trinity-college-historical-society-rescind-richard-dawkins-invitation-over-authors-stance-on-islam-and-sexual-assault-39568028.html



    If the auditor of the Hist had only limited knowledge of Dawkins then how is she in that position in the first place?

    People who work at university societies are supposed to know a lot about these philosophers, aren't they?

    As a former member if the historical society, im absolutely digusted by this decision.

    A big point of going to University and especially in the arts is confronting views from people which challenge your presuppositions and coming to your own conclusions.

    She should step down from her position as her stance is completely antithetical to the values of academia.


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    #59
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    What are we expecting her to know about him and why would it be significant to her position?

    One would assume a person working for a society at a university would know a lot about philosophers, i.e. be academically inclined.


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    #60
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    Feisar wrote: »
    What a lot of people call victim blaming is just cold logic. If blue and yellow get together and the outcome is green who is at fault? If I leave my car window down in a dodgy area and my laptop gets nicked and I not part of the result? The emotive one now, a girl staggering home drunk gets raped. The rapist is the 100% wrong doer however had she not been there it couldn’t have happened. Causation and effect. But that’s victim blaming.

    I've read a lot of ****e on boards over the years, but that's the first time I've seen anything resembling diarrhoea in print.

    So is it only drunken girls who deserve your cold logic, is crime against anyone who is drunk deserved, after all if you were not drunk your safe from crime.


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    #61
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,469 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    gozunda wrote: »
    Thats what you take from all the different contributions on this thread?

    Chxrst in a bucket. You offer no discussion of any ones pov but rather waltz in, throw ****e and make assumptions about peoples gender?

    It remains the study of history involves information and facts which may indeed be deemed unpalatable. That is unless the same students put their money where their mouths are and decide to boycot all lectures which they deem to be offensive and which just possibly may make them uncomfortable ...

    And you wonder why some might be amazed by such stupidity?

    I didnt take anything from the thread.

    I just said it would be interesting to know the gender balance of the people on this thread, given the prevailing view here that he should be offerred a platform on the one hand, and his track record of commentary on sexual assault on the other.

    Jxsus in a Bucket. You fellas seem a bit touchy.


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