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Expired Passport for Alcohol?

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  • #32
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    irish_goat wrote: »
    It is cause you need it to get a new one.

    It's not a requirement for getting a new one, though it does make the process easier.


  • #33
    irish_goat
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    It's not a requirement for getting a new one, though it does make the process easier.

    There's some rule about only being issued so many as well though, so you're always best to give the old one back.


  • #34
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    It's not as if your date of birth changes once your passport expires. What a load of balls if they refuse it.


  • #35
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    I use my expired passport all the time for buying drink, have never once had an issue, even in Tesco and it expired two years ago.


  • #36
    blackwhite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Aether wrote: »
    Don't have a provisional yet. And I need a valid passport to get one.

    You do not need a passport to get a driving permit.
    Who told you that nonsense?


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  • #37
    padser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭padser


    Aether wrote: »
    You have to be 18 to apply for one.



    I'm afraid post being post that I'll get it back after the concert and be stuck with no passport at all.

    You have to be 18 to but drink too. What's the problem??


  • #38
    desultory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭desultory


    I have my expired passport (with the corners cut) that I bring with me for ID, I rarely need it but on the one occasion I did a bouncer said he couldn't accept it because it wasn't a valid passport.
    What!? I didn't realise crossing the threshold of the pub was entering into a different country. Fúcking idiot.


  • #39
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    padser wrote: »
    You have to be 18 to but drink too. What's the problem??

    If you apply for one on your 18th birthday, it won't be ready for a couple of weeks.

    Is that not incredibly obvious?


  • #40
    gavindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭gavindublin


    desultory wrote: »
    I have my expired passport (with the corners cut) that I bring with me for ID, I rarely need it but on the one occasion I did a bouncer said he couldn't accept it because it wasn't a valid passport.
    What!? I didn't realise crossing the threshold of the pub was entering into a different country. Fúcking idiot.

    It has an expiry date, it expired, thus making it invalid.

    and the bouncer is the ****ing idiot. .....


  • #41
    desultory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭desultory


    gavindublin wrote: »
    It has an expiry date, it expired, thus making it invalid.

    and the bouncer is the ****ing idiot. .....

    Invalid for use as a passport. It still works to show my age and identification.


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  • #42
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    gavindublin wrote: »
    It has an expiry date, it expired, thus making it invalid.

    and the bouncer is the ****ing idiot. .....

    Invalid for international travel. Not invalid as a photographic representation of a person that contains their date of birth.


  • #43
    gavindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭gavindublin


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    Invalid for international travel. Not invalid as a photographic representation of a person that contains their date of birth.

    Its only valid use is for international travel


  • #44
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    By law, I'm required to confiscate your expired passport


  • #45
    gavindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭gavindublin


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    By law, I'm required to confiscate your expired passport

    You personally?? Like a best before passport catcher??


  • #46
    Yer Aul One
    Registered Users Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Yer Aul One


    desultory wrote: »
    Invalid for use as a passport. It still works to show my age and identification.
    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    Invalid for international travel. Not invalid as a photographic representation of a person that contains their date of birth.

    It would not be seen as a valid proof of identity by most institutions i.e. banks, insurance companies, government depts etc.


  • #47
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    gavindublin wrote: »
    Its only valid use is for international travel

    No it's not, stop making stuff up.


  • #48
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    gavindublin wrote: »
    You personally?? Like a best before passport catcher??

    Maybe, if I'm wearing a suit


  • #49
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Yer Aul One wrote: »
    It would not be seen as a valid proof of identity by most institutions i.e. banks, insurance companies, government depts etc.

    I agree, and I don't have a problem with that. This is a different situation though.


  • #50
    Yer Aul One
    Registered Users Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Yer Aul One


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    I agree, and I don't have a problem with that. This is a different situation though.

    Not really sure it is. The question is whether the expired passport is good for use as ID. If we are saying its invalid for:
    International travel
    ID for opening a xtra-vision account
    ID for making a withdrawal from your bank account

    Then why is it suddenly acceptable for buying drink?


  • #51
    gavindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭gavindublin


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    No it's not, stop making stuff up.

    You show me the sign in the passport office that says gets you away on holidays and gets you into the boozer.

    its a travel document. By default it a valid form of id when its valid. When its an invalid form of id its invalid.
    Then the best before catcher thinks he can take it and its theft.


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  • #52
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Yer Aul One wrote: »
    Not really sure it is. The question is whether the expired passport is good for use as ID. If we are saying its invalid for:
    International travel
    ID for opening a xtra-vision account
    ID for making a withdrawal from your bank account

    Then why is it suddenly acceptable for buying drink?

    There's no legal obligation to prove your age when buying alcohol. The seller just has to genuinely believe that you're above the age of 18. Hence why you don't get older looking people being asked for ID.

    Bank account withdrawals etc have a requirement that ID is shown.


  • #53
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    gavindublin wrote: »
    You show me the sign in the passport office that says gets you away on holidays and gets you into the boozer.

    its a travel document. By default it a valid form of id when its valid. When its an invalid form of id its invalid.
    Then the best before catcher thinks he can take it and its theft.

    Its primary use is as a travel document, but that's not its only use. In official situations, it's also valid for voting and applying for Garda Identification for example.


  • #54
    Joey JoeJoe Junior Shabadoo
    Site Banned Posts: 2 ✭Joey JoeJoe Junior Shabadoo


    Things like this are going to happen when our citizens are denied the right to a universal national identity card like is available in every other European country. I'm not saying mandatory, optional card.

    All airlines even accept them for travel within Europe.


  • #55
    gavindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭gavindublin


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    There's no legal obligation to prove your age when buying alcohol. The seller just has to genuinely believe that you're above the age of 18. Hence why you don't get older looking people being asked for ID.

    Bank account withdrawals etc have a requirement that ID is shown.

    that would also be incorrect. There is a onus of proof but its on the seller not the buyer. Genuinely believing isnt a valid form of defense for selling alcohol to a minor.


  • #56
    gavindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭gavindublin


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    There's no legal obligation to prove your age when buying alcohol. The seller just has to genuinely believe that you're above the age of 18. Hence why you don't get older looking people being asked for ID.

    Bank account withdrawals etc have a requirement that ID is shown.

    that would also be incorrect. There is a onus of proof but its on the seller not the buyer. Genuinely believing isnt a valid form of defense for selling alcohol to a minor.


  • #57
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    gavindublin wrote: »
    that would also be incorrect. There is a onus of proof but its on the seller not the buyer. Genuinely believing isnt a valid form of defense for selling alcohol to a minor.

    I said that the onus of proof is on the seller?

    My phraseology was poor, but by genuine belief I mean belief based on some sort of sound reasoning. Point remains though, an expired passport is a very reasonable basis for proof.


  • #58
    gavindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭gavindublin


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    There's no legal obligation to prove your age when buying alcohol. The seller just has to genuinely believe that you're above the age of 18. Hence why you don't get older looking people being asked for ID.

    Bank account withdrawals etc have a requirement that ID is shown.

    that would also be incorrect. There is a onus of proof but its on the seller not the buyer. Genuinely believing isnt a valid form of defense for selling alcohol to a minor.


  • #59
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    gavindublin wrote: »
    that would also be incorrect. There is a onus of proof but its on the seller not the buyer. Genuinely believing isnt a valid form of defense for selling alcohol to a minor.

    You just quoted my same post twice?

    The Garda Age Card is the only valid defence in a court anyway if alcohol is sold to a minor. But for practical purposes, and expired passport and an unexpired passport play the same roles in attempting to determine age.


  • #60
    desultory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭desultory


    Yer Aul One wrote: »
    Not really sure it is. The question is whether the expired passport is good for use as ID. If we are saying its invalid for:
    International travel
    ID for opening a xtra-vision account
    ID for making a withdrawal from your bank account

    Then why is it suddenly acceptable for buying drink?

    Because the ONLY point of it for drinking is to prove I'm over 18, of which it does quite well regardless of it's validity.


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  • #61
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Aether wrote: »
    You have to be 18 to apply for one.
    Can get a Learner Permit at 17, but it'll take some time as you need to do the Theory test.


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