Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

Shefwedfan · 16-12-2019 6:15pm

Stout Warrior wrote: »

I assume you’re talking about the 1/2 games he has featured in this season? Hardly enough to jump established internationals and European starters!

Who would you like to see in his place?

I think it’s a bit more than half a game

aloooof · 16-12-2019 6:20pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Who would you like to see in his place?

I think it’s a bit more than half a game

I think he means 1 or 2 games, not 1/2 a game.

Shefwedfan · 16-12-2019 6:36pm

aloooof wrote: »

I think he means 1 or 2 games, not 1/2 a game.

Opp's sorry

In terms of replacement who?

P.S. I am a huge fan of Nordi

Stout Warrior · 16-12-2019 6:44pm

I don’t have a horse in the race just highlighting the sample size is not that big. I suppose it’s what we’re constantly asking for at Leinster to give up and coming players a punt.

Stout Warrior · 16-12-2019 6:46pm

aloooof wrote: »

I think he means 1 or 2 games, not 1/2 a game.

Bingo

Shefwedfan · 16-12-2019 6:56pm

The call after the WC was to pick young and in form players

First camp, players out of form get dropped and it starts!!!

I though Nordi myself would have done enough but any of the rest of the calls seem ok in my eyes. Personally I wouldn't have brought in Toner

In regards to the back row, it is clear the options at the WC was not good enough. So yes I think they need to look at what to do, back row is critical to Ireland.....

b.gud · 16-12-2019 7:18pm

Anyone see the revised squad? Definitely some ballsy calls in it

[Deleted User] · 16-12-2019 8:02pm

Is Billy Burns not English born and raised?... why are we picking him?.
That brings the project player to new levels unless I'm missing something here ðŸ˜•

bilston · 16-12-2019 8:06pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Is Billy Burns not English born and raised?... why are we picking him?.
That brings the project player to new levels unless I'm missing something here &#55357;&#56853;

He is IQ. Not a project player.

bilston · 16-12-2019 8:07pm

Luke Marshall and Eric O'Sullivan are unlucky, although in Marshall's case there are a few midfield options. I'm definitely surprised O'Sullivan isn't involved though given there are only two LHs.

salmocab · 16-12-2019 8:08pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Is Billy Burns not English born and raised?... why are we picking him?.
That brings the project player to new levels unless I'm missing something here ðŸ˜•

He’s not a project player and if he was it wouldn’t be any new level anyway.

awec · 16-12-2019 8:21pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The call after the WC was to pick young and in form players

First camp, players out of form get dropped and it starts!!!

I though Nordi myself would have done enough but any of the rest of the calls seem ok in my eyes. Personally I wouldn't have brought in Toner

In regards to the back row, it is clear the options at the WC was not good enough. So yes I think they need to look at what to do, back row is critical to Ireland.....

What has started? Nobody seems to be complaining, just highlighting a few players who can count themselves unlucky and a few surprising inclusions.

[Deleted User] · 16-12-2019 8:40pm

Lot's of things interesting about this.

Here is Joe's first six nations squad.

Rodney Ah You (Buccaneers/Connacht)*

Stephen Archer (Cork Constitution/Munster)

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)

Robin Copeland (Cardiff Blues)*

Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)

Robbie Diack (Malone/Ulster)*

Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)

Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster)

Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster)

Chris Henry (Malone/Ulster)

Rob Herring (Ballinahinch/Ulster)*

David Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster)

Mike McCarthy (Leinster)

Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster)

Martin Moore (Lansdowne/Leinster)*

Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)*

Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster)

Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster)

Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)

Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)

Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster)

Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Dan Tuohy (Ballymena/Ulster)

Damian Varley (Garryowen/Munster)

Backs (20)

Isaac Boss (Terenure College/Leinster)

Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)

Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)

Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College/Leinster)

Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)

Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster)

Felix Jones (Shannon/Munster)

David Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)

Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster)

Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)

Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht)*

Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster)

Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)

Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)

Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster)

Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Jonathan Sexton (Racing Metro 92)

Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)

[Deleted User] · 16-12-2019 8:42pm

Jordi Murphy, Kieron Marmion and Jack Carty the biggest three casualties.

Marmion's exclusion has been continuously perplexing. Has something off the pitch happened here?

[Deleted User] · 16-12-2019 8:43pm

Question: Does Andy Farrell have a Lancaster coached bias?

That backrow selection is eyebrow raising.

connemara man · 16-12-2019 8:44pm

Venjur wrote: »

Jordi Murphy, Kieron Marmion and Jack Carty the biggest three casualties.

Marmion's exclusion has been continuously perplexing. Has something off the pitch happened here?

Yeah he's currently injured won't be fit for the camp in any way and has played 80 minutes of rugby in total if say all season

Felix Jones is God. · 16-12-2019 8:45pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Beirne's absence is definitely injury related. We'll know more later in the week but I can't see him playing for months.

He has a broken ankle, surgery required...could be 3-4 months before he's back is my guess

[Deleted User] · 16-12-2019 8:47pm

connemara man wrote: »

Yeah he's currently injured won't be fit for the camp in any way and has played 80 minutes of rugby in total if say all season

Maybe.

He was the Irish number 2 for a long time. He was the biggest surprise omission for the world cup for me (Toner second). He isn't even brought into camp when two unfit outhalves are? For the first camp of a new coach?

I dunno. I think he is a ferociously competitive and hard working player and I'd have him in the squad in a heartbeat. But he's out of the picture at the moment.

salmocab · 16-12-2019 8:48pm

It’s a one day get together I wouldn’t read too much into anything really. I’d say RK is done but I doubt even he was surprised by that. It looks to me like a mixture of one eye on the 6N and one on the future.

Shefwedfan · 16-12-2019 8:51pm

Venjur wrote: »

Maybe.

He was the Irish number 2 for a long time. He was the biggest surprise omission for the world cup for me (Toner second). He isn't even brought into camp when two unfit outhalves are? For the first camp of a new coach?

I dunno. I think he is a ferociously competitive and hard working player and I'd have him in the squad in a heartbeat. But he's out of the picture at the moment.

Marmion didnt get in WC squad and hasn't really played for Connacht since. Why is everyone so shocked at his exclusion?

It would be more shocking if he was included and Blade was left out.

Stout Warrior · 16-12-2019 8:58pm

I think Farrell has shown what he’s going for in his second row and centre selections. Big physical players that can match teams like England and France in a slug fest. Roux, Kleyne, Aki, Farrell and McCloskey are all big men. Might be an indicator to how he plans to play going forward and I think something that’s overdue.

[Deleted User] · 16-12-2019 9:43pm

Surprised Marshall has been left out. Exceptional distributor from boot and hand and one of the best defensive midfielders in Ireland.

prawnsambo · 16-12-2019 9:50pm

Venjur wrote: »

Surprised Marshall has been left out. Exceptional distributor from boot and hand and one of the best defensive midfielders in Ireland.

Are you trolling awec?

bilston · 16-12-2019 9:52pm

Venjur wrote: »

Surprised Marshall has been left out. Exceptional distributor from boot and hand and one of the best defensive midfielders in Ireland.

Me too, especially when you look at the other centres...it maybe suggests that Addison is being seen mainly as a centre?

bilston · 16-12-2019 9:52pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Are you trolling awec?

None of what he says is incorrect!

Although his passing can sometimes be off

[Deleted User] · 16-12-2019 9:58pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Are you trolling awec?

If I'm posting on boards then take it that I'm trolling awec

bilston wrote: »

Me too, especially when you look at the other centres...it maybe suggests that Addison is being seen mainly as a centre?

Marshall was unbelievable on the 2016 South Africa tour. I was certain he would push on from there but he seems to suffer from loss in form and has been injury prone.

Looks at his best at the moment though and he's been exceptional at Ulster.

Interested Observer · 16-12-2019 10:15pm

I like it, good to see him bringing in guys with potential.

Shefwedfan · 16-12-2019 10:22pm

Venjur wrote: »

If I'm posting on boards then take it that I'm trolling awec

Marshall was unbelievable on the 2016 South Africa tour. I was certain he would push on from there but he seems to suffer from loss in form and has been injury prone.

Looks at his best at the moment though and he's been exceptional at Ulster.

We have Farrell, Henshaw, Aki and Ringrose from the WC. Marshall is a good player and great to see him back playing after the head injuries but I don’t see him as any better than the 4 mentioned above

Maybe if Henshaw didn’t have a good game last week but he did

ionadnapokot · 16-12-2019 11:11pm

bilston wrote: »

None of what he says is incorrect!

Although his passing can sometimes be off

Sometimes!?

prawnsambo · 16-12-2019 11:18pm

bilston wrote: »

None of what he says is incorrect!

Although his passing can sometimes be off

There it is...

Awec was the first to point out (to me anyway) his wobbly passing on the hoof. Once seen, never forgotten.

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