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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Well, we all know why The Woman's Council don't want to face up to the epidemic of abuse in lesbian relationships, currently funding for support services of female victims of male violence receive up to €20,000,000 every year from the Irish taxpayer, male victims of female violence/abuse receive just over €750,000, that is a staggering difference every year, this is most likely repeated all over the developed world....the feminists do not want to rock that boat by admitting that women abuse in just the same numbers as men.



    Just read the first paragraph of the linked article.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/what-works-to-stop-gender-based-violence-and-what-doesn't-950704.html

    The Woman's Council, and much of their international equivalents cannot be trusted to provide reliable data...the fact that they have so much influence is worrying, there is a price to pay for policies based on misrepresented data.
    The link didn't work for me but this does.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/what-works-to-stop-gender-based-violence-and-what-doesnt-950704.html

    I don't get the impression that the "gender equality training" that is referred to is gender neutral.

    And the programs themselves don't seem very gender neutral: don't teach boys self-defence interventions but teach them how to de-escalate and intervene if they saw a girl being attacked! Cash transfers to girls and their families, etc.
    3) Self-defence interventions for girls together with gender equality training for boys. These interventions taught girls self-defence, de-escalation techniques and how to identify safe spaces in their communities. Boys learned about gender equality and how to de-escalate and intervene if they saw a girl being attacked.

    We found two interventions that showed mixed but promising effects in reducing exposure to gender-based violence.

    These were gender equality education for boys without the self-defence component for girls, and cash transfers to girls and their families. These interventions showed some effectiveness but we only found a few studies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 LCTD


    There was a link to another Examiner article from that above and near the end it says:

    People always think of women too, when thats not the case, weve had messages from so many men, easily as much as women, and they are so embarrassed to come forward and say this is happening to me but I must be doing something wrong, I must be the abuser. Men are so often victims and no-one really talks about it.


    I think a lot of men are made to feel they're in the wrong when it's the other way around, or worse even threatened with being reported to the authorities themselves if they try to say or do anything about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    LCTD wrote: »
    There was a link to another Examiner article from that above and near the end it says:

    People always think of women too, when thats not the case, weve had messages from so many men, easily as much as women, and they are so embarrassed to come forward and say this is happening to me but I must be doing something wrong, I must be the abuser. Men are so often victims and no-one really talks about it.


    I think a lot of men are made to feel they're in the wrong when it's the other way around, or worse even threatened with being reported to the authorities themselves if they try to say or do anything about it.

    Toxic female behaviour is unsurprisingly different to toxic male behaviour, women use passive aggressiveness and manipulation to dominate their partner, this is much harder to spot, not to mention financial abuse or parental alienation, the men themselves may have no idea that they are being abused, no body is speaking to those men, offering help.

    It is the Feminist movement that systematically blocked any chance of further funding for male victims, Intimate Partner Violence/Abuse is not a gendered issue, although it does have different outcomes for both genders.

    Weak willed politicians and a largely uninterested media don't help, but it is beyond doubt that both politicians and media are way out of step with ordinary society anyway so no surprises there, they are too busy paying attention to the twitter gallery!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 LCTD


    Toxic female behaviour is unsurprisingly different to toxic male behaviour, women use passive aggressiveness and manipulation to dominate their partner.

    I think this is much more common than reported, I know in my own relationships I've had to argue fiercely just to visit my family or have them come over, why I don't know... it's as if they're a threat to her power, while her family could meet us any time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Last week’s demise of the White Ribbon charity is good news for schoolboys across Australia. For years now, White Ribbon has been out in our schools forcing little boys to renounce their violence. White Ribbon days talked not only about physical violence but males were also called out for emotional abuse. What a joke.
    https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/10/teaching-girls-to-fear-boys/
    (Written by a woman)
    Christopher analyzed Keeping Safe, the mandatory child protection curriculum taught in all public schools in SA from kindergarten to year 12. We discuss the findings in my latest video, which is the first one I have made for my exciting new role as a contributor to Jordan Peterson’s new platform, thinkspot.

    His research reveals systemic bias against boys. The curriculum provides 84 examples of males being aggressive to females (including child rape and abuse) and only one instance of a female aggressing against a male (looking in his room without permission). You can see examples here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    Are the quoted stats backed up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    py2006 wrote: »
    Are the quoted stats backed up?
    The account put the following 2 tweets below them:

    https://twitter.com/manumiss1on/status/1181555464389177344
    https://twitter.com/manumiss1on/status/1181555607737917440


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    I happened to catch a bit of the Pat Kenny show yesterday (October 18) where they were talking about domestic abuse and sexual abuse and harassment and male victims:

    https://www.newstalk.com/listen-back

    45:52-49:27

    Says that the Savi report of 17 years ago found that 29% of victims of sexual violence were male

    A male victim talks: he says the system is not set up to support male victims, whether it be social workers, mental health professionals or the judicial system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/2019/11/f4j-say-violence-men-ignored-ahead-international-mens-day/
    KEY FINDINGS
    * F4J made 400 Freedom Of Information requests to councils across the UK.
    * Just three confirmed they provide ‘refuge’ spaces for male victims of domestic abuse.
    * Dozens of councils spend nothing on tackling domestic abuse against men.
    * Majority of Councils have no specific programmes to cut male suicide rate.
    * Out of 300 Local Authorities just 3 confirmed they had a total of 13 beds for male victims of DV.
    * 18 councils spent £21 million of taxpayers money on services for women, but were unable to confirm any spending on men.
    * Falkirk District Council spent more than £1 million pounds on domestic violence, with 96% spent on women and just 4% on men.
    * Torfaen Council confirmed they spent £1,932,397 on women, but just £10,001.68 on men.
    * Newport Council spent £2,405,022 on services for women and just £44,390 on services for men.

    KEY MALE DOMESTIC ABUSE FACTS
    * 1 in 3 Domestic Abuse victims are men. Crime Survey for England and Wales; year ending March 2018.
    * Nearly 2,000 men every day are victims of Domestic Abuse (Every year 700,000 men are victims of Domestic Violence.) Crime Survey for England and Wales; year ending March 2018.
    * Just 1 in 20 men report domestic abuse to the Police. Mankind 2018
    * Because of social stigma, the way society treats male victims, and the fear of being labelled the perpetrator by Police, most men are too frightened to report DV and the issue is hugely underreported.

    FATHERS4JUSTICE FACTS
    * F4J have received three-quarters of a million enquiries for help since 2001.
    * That equates to an enquiry for help every 15 minutes.
    * F4J is the 3rd Highest supported campaign group in the UK after Greenpeace and Amnesty International.
    * Over 90,000 families are registered supporters of Fathers4Justice in the UK.
    * F4J have been involved in a number of high-profile custody cases including Kate Winslet, Madonna and Guy Ritchie, Katie Price, Myleene Klass and Lena Headey.
    * The F4J team have over 60 years family court experience between them.
    * Read more about the F4J campaign for a Minister for Men here: https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/2019/06/12044/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Here's why the Irish team will be wearing white ribbons on Monday night
    A global movement campaigning for an end to gender-based violence against women is underway.
    https://www.the42.ie/heres-why-the-irish-team-will-be-wearing-white-ribbons-on-monday-night-4891788-Nov2019/?utm_source=shortlink

    Balance would be the women's team wearing ribbons to highlight women's violence against men. I don't recall that happening previously in Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    International Men's Days being used to highlight ... men's violence against women:
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/international-men-s-day-2019-who-s-standing-up-for-men-these-days-1.4088026

    I don't recall the reverse being highlighted on International Women's Day


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://twitter.com/Oneiorosgrip/status/1196863146666926080

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/
    The Helpseeking Experiences of Men Who Sustain Intimate Partner Violence: An Overlooked Population and Implications for Practice
    Emily M. Douglas corresponding author and Denise A. Hines

    Abstract

    For over 30 years, research has shown that men can and do sustain intimate partner violence (IPV) from their female partners. This is the first large-scale, nationally-based, quantitative study to systematically detail the helpseeking experiences of men who have sustained IPV from their female partners. The sample is composed of 302 men who were recruited from resources specializing in men’s issues. Results indicate that men who seek help for IPV victimization have the most positive experiences in seeking help from family/friends, and mental health and medical providers. They have the least positive experiences with members of the DV service system. Cumulative positive helpseeking experiences were associated with lower levels of abusing alcohol; cumulative negative experiences were associated with higher rates of exceeding a clinical cut-off for post-traumatic stress disorder. Results are discussed in terms of implications for the social service sector and for future research.

    Keywords: Intimate partner violence, Helpseeking, Men, Domestic violence services, Male victims


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    #Femicide2019 is trending

    Another example of male victims and female perpetrators being removed from the narrative, giving an unbalanced view.

    https://twitter.com/ailbhes/status/1197830426175397888

    These are the figures from the UK:
    On average about seven women and two men are killed by their current or former partner every month in England and Wales.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22610534


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://www.thejournal.ie/femicide-five-women-killed-in-2019-4901086-Nov2019/
    100 women have died at the hands of their current or former partners. These figures should shame Irish society. The legacy of loss is incalculable.
    It is sad that anyone dies but I'm not sure it proves much about society. Lots of people are burgled, but doesn't mean that burglary is seen as acceptable amongst the vast majority of the population. And I'm not sure the general society is much to blame for the fact that some people burgle.

    A review of femicide by the World Health Organisation found that an intimate partner commits more than 35% of murders of women worldwide. In comparison, the same study estimates that an intimate partner commits about 5% of all murders of men.
    These sorts of figures might give the impression that the ratio is 7:1, which is not correct because more men are murdered in general.
    On average about seven women and two men are killed by their current or former partner every month in England and Wales.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22610534


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    iptba wrote: »
    #Femicide2019 is trending

    Another example of male victims and female perpetrators being removed from the narrative, giving an unbalanced view.

    https://twitter.com/ailbhes/status/1197830426175397888

    These are the figures from the UK:



    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22610534


    1) I would love to see that study.



    2) A grown 'woman' is actually saying that she is dissapointed in men's behaviour. I mean, is she some kind of global mother figure? :P



    They should do a study on the death of children as most child murders are actually commited by women.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    ‘Epidemic’ of domestic violence needs to be stopped, says Varadkar

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/epidemic-of-domestic-violence-needs-to-be-stopped-says-varadkar-971845.html
    What we’ll do in the year to come will be built on that but one of the things we’ll particularly do is invest in more refugees for women who’ve experienced violence. I’ll be visiting one next week, in fact.

    “We should have Rathmines reopened quite soon and you’ll have Rathcoole as well and also one in Galway.

    “There are different measures as to how many places you should have for the size of your population but we will meet one of those measures next year and we won’t be far off the second measure.”
    I can't believe there are anywhere near any target should be for the number of refuges for men


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Sarah Caden: 'Would Caroline Flack be treated differently over assault charge if she was a man?'
    We still struggle with the idea of female violence and may judge it by a different standard, writes Sarah Caden

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/sarah-caden-would-caroline-flack-be-treated-differently-over-assault-charge-if-she-was-a-man-38806589.html


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    The comparison with Ant McPartlin and Caroline Flack has been brought up a couple of times.

    Any didn't physically assault his wife and arrested by police for it.

    I don't think she deserves to lose her job necessarily but if she was a man that job would be long gone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/gardaí-receive-30-more-reports-of-domestic-violence-in-december-1.4126882
    We need to increase our refuge spaces. We clearly don’t have adequate number of spaces. We shouldn’t have to have waiting lists and women shouldn’t have to travel to different counties to get help.”

    She said the situation was exacerbated by the housing crisis.

    “One of the reasons women won’t leave abusive situations is they are afraid they will have nowhere else to go. We need to ensure they have somewhere safe to go.”
    The same can apply to men but refuge provision is non-existent or close to it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    (Not important at all)
    A woman reads out something from the Irish Times today about how a woman decades ago had been convicted of murdering her neighbour by giving him a cake with poison: “I’m sure she had a good reason for doing it”. I doubt she would have said this if the genders were reversed.

    It’s a pity we don’t have more empirical gender research where people are presented with the same scenarios with the only difference being the genders being altered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Sons five times more likely to abuse elderly parents, study finds
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sons-five-times-more-likely-to-abuse-elderly-parents-study-finds-1.4129793

    Not a good statistic for men. Though it should be noted is that this is only for very specific type of elderly abuse where protection orders were sought.
    “There were also a couple of really nasty ones involving false imprisonment,” he said. “There were a lot of correlations between drug issues and demands for money.”

    In 38 per cent of cases, drugs were a factor in some way. Alcohol was a factor in 18 per cent and mental health issues and homelessness were a factor in 11 and eight per cent respectively.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Would be interesting to see the stats on cases of Financial Abuse of the Elderly. The vast majority of the cases reported appear to be committed by women but that's apparently not worthy of reporting...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    On the point of more males killing their partners or ex-partners, I just came across the following comment on the journal.ie
    US Criminologists have been saying for decades not enough research is being done on women who kill their partners, they make the point that women hire people to do their bidding or coerce new partners to kill in sim,ilar numbers.
    I must keep an eye out for data on that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭com1




  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭Drakus


    Newaglish wrote: »
    From their website. What an epic fail.

    So where are the stats for the men and children assualted by women over the same period. That statement reads like an anti-man rant. I am all for people who assualt others to have to take responsibility for their actions, weather male or female.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Jessica Breeze cleared of father's murder after 'years of violence'
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-51362733

    I'm uncomfortable with the idea that people can stab someone to death when such force didn't seem required at that moment in time and receive no penalty.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭el_gaucho


    iptba wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-51362733

    I'm uncomfortable with the idea that people can stab someone to death when such force didn't seem required at that moment in time and receive no penalty.

    Looks like legitimate self defence to me.


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