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  • #92
    Anniepowaaa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭Anniepowaaa


    Envoi Allen and quixillios will be in closutton by the weekend


  • #93
    wardides
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭wardides


    NaiveMelodies wrote: »
    Ah here!

    I think you might be taking the Prince Andrew comment a bit too literally, assuming he means the excuses are equally as laughable.

    Which in fairness they are. Had he just came out & said it was an error on his behalf, unfortunately horses passing are something people within the industry become somewhat accustomed to due to the sheer vol of animals they deal with etc and leave it at that. Shot himself in the foot with some stupid excuse of taking a call. He's bloody posing in the phot for god sake.


  • #94
    Islander13
    Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Islander13


    Hard to see any of his horses running at the festival. Is there any rules around transferring horses? ie can they be transferred to Mullins today and still run at the festival? Or is there a registration time lag or other problem


  • #95
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Horrific stuff, should get a massive ban. Hard to believe it took him 24 hours to come up with that 'excuse'.

    Almost as bad is the reaction from the "storm in a teacup" crowd who are pushing a line of thought roughly along the lines of 'sure its grand to sit on a live horse, this one was dead, whats the big deal?', which is approaching the argument made by animal rights activists in the first place, that horse racing is cruel. Genius stuff. There is a major opportunity for animal rights activists here, particularly if animals have to be destroyed, which they will, over the course of the festival. No advertiser will want to be associated with a sport where one of the leading lights exercised a horse to death, then posed with the body in a joking manner. This is how it will be portrayed, that horses are not treated properly and that the lamentations from 'connections' when an animal has to be destroyed is just bullsh!t, and with a picture like this it makes it a thousand times harder to argue back against this without looking like a savage, especially if in the same breath you're saying Elliott should not be annihilated for this. The main argument against animal rights activists regarding horse deaths is essentially that everyone is broken-hearted when a horse dies. Everyone knows this is not true, that many are matter-of-fact about it, but now there is clear evidence that a leading trainer, and his staff, don't give a damn and think it's funny.

    Also of note was the massive effort from some to say that the picture was fake, and now say that his "excuse" explains it away. People like Elliott would not give the average punter a glass of water, the servile boot-licking is rather pathetic.

    For the good of the sport Elliott should go, or be removed.

    As an aside, the fact that Elliott, or other trainers, are even allowed be associated with betting companies is farcical.


  • #96
    Mimon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Putting aside how serious or not it is the excuse is ridiculous. You get a call and you sit down on a dead animal? FFS!

    He would have been better to come out and said it was a stupid moment of tomfoolery and it does not represent how he respects his animals etc.


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  • #97
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    lemush wrote: »
    The spelling in the title of this thread is the worst thing about all of this really.

    That was actually annoying me so I’ve fixed it


  • #98
    dohboy
    Registered Users Posts: 599 ✭✭✭dohboy


    It'll blow over. Yes there's reputational damage to racing, but people outside racing probably think this kinda stuff goes on all the time tbh. Racing people will be upset and disappointed but they will rally around the sport. Would a causal fan be turned off the odd punt of the occasional days racing because of this? Not a hope. It'll certainly enliven those who believe racing is cruel anyway, but it's not like they are ever going to be won over.

    Elliott will have to get some sort of punishment for PR reasons, but he'll be back and everyone in the sport will be joking about this in six months.


  • #99
    Islander13
    Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Islander13


    Sean Worried Memory wrote: »
    Horrific stuff, should get a massive ban. Hard to believe it took him 24 hours to come up with that 'excuse'.

    Almost as bad is the reaction from the "storm in a teacup" crowd who are pushing a line of thought roughly along the lines of 'sure its grand to sit on a live horse, this one was dead, whats the big deal?', which is approaching the argument made by animal rights activists in the first place, that horse racing is cruel. Genius stuff. There is a major opportunity for animal rights activists here, particularly if animals have to be destroyed, which they will, over the course of the festival. No advertiser will want to be associated with a sport where one of the leading lights exercised a horse to death, then posed with the body in a joking manner. This is how it will be portrayed, that horses are not treated properly and that the lamentations from 'connections' when an animal has to be destroyed is just bullsh!t, and with a picture like this it makes it a thousand times harder to argue back against this without looking like a savage, especially if in the same breath you're saying Elliot should not be annihilated for this. The main argument against animal rights activists regarding horse deaths is essentially that everyone is broken-hearted when a horse dies. Everyone knows this is not true, that many are matter-of-fact about it, but now there is clear evidence that a leading trainer, and his staff, don't give a damn and think it's funny.

    Also of note was the massive effort from some to say that the picture was fake, and now say that his "excuse" explains it away. People like Elliot would not give the average punter a glass of water, the servile boot-licking is rather pathetic.

    For the good of the sport Elliot should go, or be removed.

    As an aside, the fact that Elliot, or other trainers, are even allowed be associated with betting companies is farcical.

    100% on the links to bookies. Such a conflict of interest in public view


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    dohboy wrote: »
    It'll blow over. Yes there's reputational damage to racing, but people outside racing probably think this kinda stuff goes on all the time tbh. Racing people will be upset and disappointed but they will rally around the sport. Would a causal fan be turned off the odd punt of the occasional days racing because of this? Not a hope. It'll certainly enliven those who believe racing is cruel anyway, but it's not like they are ever going to be won over.

    Elliott will have to get some sort of punishment for PR reasons, but he'll be back and everyone in the sport will be joking about this in six months.
    You are spectacularly missing the point. The existence of the sport on the level it is at does not depend on casual fans, or those currently involved. It relies on advertising, betting and massive government funding. The existence of which, aside from betting, is almost wholly dependent on the public reputation of the sport.


  • #101
    Granadino
    Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    dmn22 wrote: »
    Between this photo, stories of allegedly getting a certain someone in the horse-racing world pregnant and also allegedly having regular parties in the bar on his stables during lockdown, it’s starting to look like he may be a Grade A pr*ck.

    My experience of my local "horsey set" is that many can be extremely arrogant. It's animal cruelty at the best of times.


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  • #102
    dohboy
    Registered Users Posts: 599 ✭✭✭dohboy


    Sean Worried Memory wrote: »
    You are spectacularly missing the point. The existence of the sport on the level it is at does not depend on casual fans, or those currently involved. It relies on advertising, betting and massive government funding. The existence of which, aside from betting, is almost wholly dependent on the public reputation of the sport.

    I'm aware I could be entirely wrong, but that's how I think this will go. If there was systematic abuse of animals uncovered, yes this would have huge fallout. But a moment of idiocy like this, I don't think so. Lots of people think racing is bent and cruel already, it doesn't stop advertising or government support. It's an industry and is viewed differently.


  • #103
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    Sean Worried Memory wrote: »
    Horrific stuff, should get a massive ban. Hard to believe it took him 24 hours to come up with that 'excuse'.

    Almost as bad is the reaction from the "storm in a teacup" crowd who are pushing a line of thought roughly along the lines of 'sure its grand to sit on a live horse, this one was dead, whats the big deal?', which is approaching the argument made by animal rights activists in the first place, that horse racing is cruel. Genius stuff. There is a major opportunity for animal rights activists here, particularly if animals have to be destroyed, which they will, over the course of the festival. No advertiser will want to be associated with a sport where one of the leading lights exercised a horse to death, then posed with the body in a joking manner. This is how it will be portrayed, that horses are not treated properly and that the lamentations from 'connections' when an animal has to be destroyed is just bullsh!t, and with a picture like this it makes it a thousand times harder to argue back against this without looking like a savage, especially if in the same breath you're saying Elliott should not be annihilated for this. The main argument against animal rights activists regarding horse deaths is essentially that everyone is broken-hearted when a horse dies. Everyone knows this is not true, that many are matter-of-fact about it, but now there is clear evidence that a leading trainer, and his staff, don't give a damn and think it's funny.

    Also of note was the massive effort from some to say that the picture was fake, and now say that his "excuse" explains it away. People like Elliott would not give the average punter a glass of water, the servile boot-licking is rather pathetic.

    For the good of the sport Elliott should go, or be removed.

    As an aside, the fact that Elliott, or other trainers, are even allowed be associated with betting companies is farcical.

    His excuse is almost as bad, he clearing isnt gesturing to his colleague to wait, hes making a peace sign. The fact he cant man up and stand behind his reprehensible actions shows what a piece of garbage he is.
    Hope he dies roaring.


  • #104
    piplip87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭piplip87


    dohboy wrote: »
    It'll blow over. Yes there's reputational damage to racing, but people outside racing probably think this kinda stuff goes on all the time tbh. Racing people will be upset and disappointed but they will rally around the sport. Would a causal fan be turned off the odd punt of the occasional days racing because of this? Not a hope. It'll certainly enliven those who believe racing is cruel anyway, but it's not like they are ever going to be won over.

    Elliott will have to get some sort of punishment for PR reasons, but he'll be back and everyone in the sport will be joking about this in six months.

    Yes but if your horse is with Elliott and he gets a 6 month ban and misses Cheltenham, Aintree and Punchestown this year do you keep the horse with him.

    I have no doubt he will be back in 6 months but what horses will he still have. It could be the incident that O'Leary needs increase the speed of his departure. I'm sure Chevely got involved in NH racing for festival winners, if Elliott cannot provide that this year would they hang on?

    This has all the hallmarks of a hit job I'd wouldnt be surprised if more stuff came out


  • #105
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    Mimon wrote: »
    Putting aside how serious or not it is the excuse is ridiculous. You get a call and you sit down on a dead animal? FFS!

    He would have been better to come out and said it was a stupid moment of tomfoolery and it does not represent how he respects his animals etc.

    And a peace sign, one of the worlds most recgonised hand gestures, is now a sign telling someone to wait?
    Hes vermin, a waste of oxygen.


  • #106
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    If anyone thinks this is a non story or a storm in a teacup, here’s what one of his fellow trainers thinks about it

    https://twitter.com/giffordnick/status/1366335867095252993?s=21


  • #107
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    dohboy wrote: »
    It'll blow over. Yes there's reputational damage to racing, but people outside racing probably think this kinda stuff goes on all the time tbh. Racing people will be upset and disappointed but they will rally around the sport. Would a causal fan be turned off the odd punt of the occasional days racing because of this? Not a hope. It'll certainly enliven those who believe racing is cruel anyway, but it's not like they are ever going to be won over.

    Elliott will have to get some sort of punishment for PR reasons, but he'll be back and everyone in the sport will be joking about this in six months.

    If so, what does that say about everyone in the sport?


  • #108
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Is there an accusation of cruelty here? Or is it just "man caught acting the maggot on a dead horse".

    If its the former then he is in trouble. If its the latter then people will be outraged for a while, the authorities might give him a slap on the wrist for optics - but can't see anybody in the industry being too upset that he didn't take off his cap and shed a few tears. I'm sure he has seen thousands of dead horses in his time - its just a fact of life for these lads surely and not as if he was straddling someone's coffin


  • #109
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭Augme


    His fellow trainers will sense the blood in the water. Great opportunity to get rid of one of their biggest rivals.


  • #110
    EICVD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭EICVD


    nsnoefc1878 wrote: »
    His excuse is almost as bad, he clearing isnt gesturing to his colleague to wait, hes making a peace sign. The fact he cant man up and stand behind his reprehensible actions shows what a piece of garbage he is.
    Hope he dies roaring.

    Hope he dies roaring? I think we’ve found the most over reacting comment on the situation


  • #111
    th hen
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭th hen


    Had few horses in training with him. Found him an ignorant ....., would never get involved in a horse with him again even before this. Lots of rumours floating around about activities taking place in his stables and love life etc. Nothing as dangerous as a scourned woman lol


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  • #112
    Plasandrunt
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    who has Gordon rumoured to have got pregnant? I presume it's not for a public board so would appreciate a PM


  • #113
    Earendil
    Registered Users Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Earendil


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Is there an accusation of cruelty here? Or is it just "man caught acting the maggot on a dead horse".

    If its the former then he is in trouble. If its the latter then people will be outraged for a while, the authorities might give him a slap on the wrist for optics - but can't see anybody in the industry being too upset that he didn't take off his cap and shed a few tears. I'm sure he has seen thousands of dead horses in his time - its just a fact of life for these lads surely and not as if he was straddling someone's coffin

    Don't think anyone was asking for that. Just don't straddle the poor dead beast and make a jokey picture out of it. Not that complicated really.


  • #114
    greyday
    Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭greyday


    There was no cruelty here, a spur of the moment foolish act is no where near cruelty, he would not have the winners he has if he was in any way cruel to his horses.
    The person that released this photo just before Cheltenham rather than at the time of the incident should have a good look in the mirror as it looks to have been calculated to do the utmost damage to his reputation, why not release it at the time?


  • #115
    dohboy
    Registered Users Posts: 599 ✭✭✭dohboy


    piplip87 wrote: »

    This has all the hallmarks of a hit job I'd wouldnt be surprised if more stuff came out

    It's definitely a former close confidante who has fallen out with Elliott. Stuff coming out about his stables bar and other WhatsApp gossip is a sign of that.


  • #116
    EICVD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭EICVD


    I don’t know who’s worse, the ‘no big deal’ crowd or the ‘lifetime ban’ crowd. No doubt about it it was a disgusting photo & some punishment is fair. Look who he trains for, JP, Gigginstown, Robcour, Cheveley Park, Munir, McNeill, even the likes of Bartlett & this new guy Andrew Brown, if half of those now say ‘Sorry Gordon, we don’t trust you anymore’ that’s enough of a punishment.


  • #117
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Is there an accusation of cruelty here? Or is it just "man caught acting the maggot on a dead horse".

    That is cruelty, there is no 'or'.


  • #118
    th hen
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭th hen


    dohboy wrote: »
    It's definitely a former close confidante who has fallen out with Elliott. Stuff coming out about his stables bar and other WhatsApp gossip is a sign of that.


    Lots of rumours and whatsapps around of what's going on. Prob find them online


  • #119
    EICVD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭EICVD


    th hen wrote: »
    Had few horses in training with him. Found him an ignorant ....., would never get involved in a horse with him again even before this. Lots of rumours floating around about activities taking place in his stables and love life etc. Nothing as dangerous as a scourned woman lol

    Was involved with a few syndicates there, soon as young Murphy left to train himself they didn’t give a **** about the syndicates.


  • #120
    Motivator
    Registered Users Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭Motivator


    piplip87 wrote: »
    This has all the hallmarks of a hit job I'd wouldnt be surprised if more stuff came out

    Absolutely it is and by all accounts there’s more coming. There’s plenty of rumours going around the last six weeks about who it’s suspected to be, we could be looking at two seriously ruined reputations sooner rather than later.

    Whatever the fallout of this, it won’t be pretty.


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  • #121
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    EICVD wrote: »
    Hope he dies roaring? I think we’ve found the most over reacting comment on the situation

    Glad you think so.


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