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UFC 258

  • 14-02-2021 1:18am
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    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭


    Some bizare commentary there during the Ewell Gutierrez fight talking about how both fighters had to go through custody battles for there kids and that one lost and doesn't see his kid because of it.

    Some decent fights so far.

    Burns beats Usman later.

    Title should say 258 obv


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Safe to say someone will get robbed tonight with these sort of scorecards.

    https://twitter.com/btsportufc/status/1360764200008712192?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Joe bringing up the custody thing briefly in the victory interview, the whole thing is so bizarre.

    Alot of people going mad on twitter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,921 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    ASOT wrote: »
    Safe to say someone will get robbed tonight with these sort of scorecards.

    https://twitter.com/btsportufc/status/1360764200008712192?s=19

    What’s bad about that score card?
    2 agreed on 2-1, 2 agreed on a 10-8. Would prob look pretty logical on the round by round score card.

    Wasn’t paying attention myself so not sure if your saying the loser was robbed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Fair play to Hernandez there. Crazy to think Vieira gassed so badly so quickly.

    And to win by sub? Crazy!


  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Viera tapped . That’s true but he was softened up by some very heavy striking beforehand.

    I think he was more hurt than gassed to be honest.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,921 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Usual stream not working now.


    Hernendez by sub was like 30/1


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Viera tapped . That’s true but he was softened up by some very heavy striking beforehand.

    I think he was more hurt than gassed to be honest.

    Definitely a mix of the two.

    He starts gassing, starts to question himself, starts to take punishment and everything goes south very quickly.

    it's actually week 17 of the McGregor FAST programme.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Mellor wrote: »
    Usual stream not working now.


    Hernendez by sub was like 30/1

    Not even his mother was stcicking a fiver on that!


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,921 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Heinish looking very sluggish going into the 3rd
    Kelvin 30-27 most likely


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,321 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Usman is unreal, best p4p no doubt about it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,921 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Burns took the first. But just it rocked badly in the second. Usman did well to keep the pressure on and not let him recover.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Who's next for Usman, no one can touch him at 170?

    Unbelievable performance after that first round


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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Usman is unreal, best p4p no doubt about it.

    Khabib is the p4p GOAT :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,321 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Mellor wrote:
    Burns took the first. But just it rocked badly in the second. Usman did well to keep the pressure on and not let him recover.
    I'm not sure he took the first, he spent a lot of it on his back defending kicks. He got big shots off early but time wise he lost a lot of the round.

    Great to see the respect shown by Usman for Burns.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,694 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not sure he took the first, he spent a lot of it on his back defending kicks. He got big shots off early but time wise he lost a lot of the round.

    Great to see the respect shown by Usman for Burns.

    Yeah I'm not so sure about the first either.

    As for the respect, Usman didn't touch at the start of the fight. They acknowledged each other at the end of the first round, looked ready to kill each other at the end of the second round and then Burns was floored and in tears at the end of the fight - hard to react to that.

    Usman was clinical though, some power in those jabs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,321 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Khabib is the p4p GOAT
    Who has he beaten that compares with Maia, Woodley, Covington and now Burns?
    Khabib needs to get it on with Usman if he wants the p4p title and he won't get it if he does, he'll be 29-1.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,921 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not sure he took the first, he spent a lot of it on his back defending kicks. He got big shots off early but time wise he lost a lot of the round.

    Great to see the respect shown by Usman for Burns.
    He was winning on the feet then slipped.
    He was on his back by choice after that. They were both kicking each other’s legs. No real damage done by either.


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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Who has he beaten that compares with Maia, Woodley, Covington and now Burns?
    Khabib needs to get it on with Usman if he wants the p4p title and he won't get it if he does, he'll be 29-1.

    I consider Gaethje Poirer Barboza and Mcgregor far better than all them. Lets be honest he beat Mcgregor, your idol, so you can't give him credit for that win, as well as the others. Otherwise you would have to admit how wrong you are. Khabib is the GOAT. 29-0. Usman has another 10 victories to go before he betters that record and even then he will not be undefeated like Khabib has been.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,921 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Khabib is the GOAT. 29-0. Usman has another 10 victories to go before he betters that record and even then he will not be undefeated like Khabib has been.
    I think his point was related to quality or wins over quantity.
    If quantity is the ultimate measure. Khabib streak isn’t in the top 5 longest streaks.

    Renan Barao went 32 fights.
    Igor Vovchanchyn went 40 fight

    There were other who did 30-31 undefeated also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Mellor wrote: »
    I think his point was related to quality or wins over quantity.
    If quantity is the ultimate measure. Khabib streak isn’t in the top 5 longest streaks.

    Renan Barao went 32 fights.
    Igor Vovchanchyn went 40 fight

    There were other who did 30-31 undefeated also.

    Barao's performances and record since 2014 would suggest he might not have been entirely responsible for that streak himself.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,921 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Barao's performances and record since 2014 would suggest he might not have been entirely responsible for that streak himself.

    Yup. Had he retired after Faber fight. His P4P status would be very different.

    That’s the point though, you can’t look at any one metric l, especially a streak, and say it dictates goat status.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭themandan6611


    Usman is some operator. He can judge and adjust so well during a fight and when you have a jab like his + wrestling = possible GOAT


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    He's a beast and has some serious power in that jab.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Gamb!t wrote: »
    He's a beast and has some serious power in that jab.

    Phenomenal specimen.

    Hard to see where the holes are in his game that allow another fighter to beat him.

    He was rocked a few times in the first but kept his head and soldiered on like a great champion would.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Who has he beaten that compares with Maia, Woodley, Covington and now Burns?
    Khabib needs to get it on with Usman if he wants the p4p title and he won't get it if he does, he'll be 29-1.

    McGregor, Poirier and Gaethje all in their prime.

    Both have beaten some great opponents. We don’t always have to try and **** on peoples records to make a point a fighter is great.

    Usman made some good adjustments after round 1. Trevor Whitman is just killing it at the moment. The sparring with Gaethje must have been interesting, would love to see some videos of that.

    I still think Colby has the best chance of beating him of anyone at 170 but Usman is obviously still favourite in that match up.

    And actually has no one commented on Herb Dean in the main event. He was stumbling all over them being indecisive yet again for the finish. Not quite the level of the Ribas fight but still awful. He needs to be gotten rid of before he makes a mistake that kills someone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,364 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Both have beaten some great opponents. We don’t always have to try and **** on peoples records to make a point a fighter is great.

    +1 to this. Is there anything more tedious than the constant P4P debate?

    Usman, Khabib, Adesanya, Stipe, Jones, Shevchenko & Nunes have all cleaned out their respective divisions in recent years. Some of them have been beaten along the way. Some of those divisions are deeper with talent than others. Who's the greatest of them? I don't know. Nobody knows. There's no objective way to compare them all which means that there's always some different metric that someone will use to say that their preferred fighter is the greatest or their most despised fighter is not.

    Some goes for comparing fighters from different eras. Is Usman a greater WW than GSP? Who knows. Any yard stick you use to compare them is flawed.

    Finally the idea that Khabib would have to go and fight Usman as some sort of test for P4P greatness is profoundly stupid. Why stop there? Why not take on Adesanya or Jones or Stipe? The whole point of a pound for pound champion is that you're comparing people without them having to fight outside their divisions where the heavier fighter has the clear advantage. The clue is in the name. /Rant


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    Those "8k" camera shots were horrible! Can't believe anyone thinks they look good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,321 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Finally the idea that Khabib would have to go and fight Usman as some sort of test for P4P greatness is profoundly stupid. Why stop there? Why not take on Adesanya or Jones or Stipe? The whole point of a pound for pound champion is that you're comparing people without them having to fight outside their divisions where the heavier fighter has the clear advantage. The clue is in the name. /Rant
    The reason I said he should go take on Usman is because it's well.kniwn that Khabib walks around at 190 when not in camp.
    The other reason is because Khabib claimed he was P4P king and demanded the UFC put him top.
    So if he wants it then go face the man who has shown more than he has.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Sorry, was Khabib fighting last night or something?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    +1 to this. Is there anything more tedious than the constant P4P debate?

    Any impossible question alright. I will say that people having Khabib as the GOAT after 3 title defences is laughable. He didn't even beat a champion for it either. Beat Iaquinta, a fight night guy.


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