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Is it compulsory to nominate the free ball in snooker?

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  • 04-05-2018 1:01am
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    Gaoth Laidir
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    Foul committed, free ball awarded. Player plays a colour as a free ball without verbally nominating it. Foul or no foul?


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    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    Foul committed, free ball awarded. Player plays a colour as a free ball without verbally nominating it. Foul or no foul?

    Yes, the colour ball should have been audibly nominated or indicated for the ref to know which ball the player is intending to play.

    OFFICIAL RULES OF THE GAMES OF SNOOKER
    AND ENGLISH BILLIARDS
    12. Nominated Ball
    (a) A nominated ball is the object ball which the striker declares, or indicates
    to the satisfaction of the referee, he undertakes to hit with the first impact
    of the cue-ball.
    (b) If requested by the referee, the striker must declare which ball he is on.
    13. Free Ball
    A free ball is a ball, other than the ball on, which the striker nominates as the
    ball on when snookered after a foul.


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    Spudman_20000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    There was an free ball instance during this tournament, think it was Milkins. He nominated the yellow but missed the pot into the middle pocket. He left his opponent snookered. I thought the rule was that you cannot snooker a player off a free ball? Maybe the rule doesn't apply if it wasn't deliberate.


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    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Spudman_20000 wrote: »
    There was an free ball instance during this tournament, think it was Milkins. He nominated the yellow but missed the pot into the middle pocket. He left his opponent snookered. I thought the rule was that you cannot snooker a player off a free ball? Maybe the rule doesn't apply if it wasn't deliberate.

    Can't snooker with the free ball, as in behind it.


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    Spudman_20000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Can't snooker with the free ball, as in behind it.

    Ah ok, so you could play the nominated free ball and snooker a player behind a different ball?


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    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Yes


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    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    So even if the ball being taken as a free ball is clearly obvious, the player still must nominate it, yes?


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    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Think its a foul, 4 away if you don't, however obvious


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    Brian?
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    So even if the ball being taken as a free ball is clearly obvious, the player still must nominate it, yes?

    No, it’s the same as taking a colour after a red if it’s obvious you don’t have to nominate verbally.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mysterypunter wrote: »
    Think its a foul, 4 away if you don't, however obvious

    I really don’t think so.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    You have to nominate which colour ball is red because otherwise if you missed the nominated colour altogether and hit another colour then that would rightly be a foul. You can only pick one colour ball to be a temporary red, not all the colours.


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    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Brian? wrote: »
    No, it’s the same as taking a colour after a red if it’s obvious you don’t have to nominate verbally.

    Edit: I'm not talking about free ball scenarios in what follows

    If you completely missed a colour one was clearly going for, and the cue ball hit another colour and it potted, is that a foul? I don't think so, the aim is to pot a colour after a red and that's what happened, intentional or not.


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    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    AllForIt wrote: »
    If you completely missed a colour one was clearly going for, and the cue ball hit another colour and it potted, is that a foul? I don't think so, the aim is to pot a colour after a red and that's what happened, intentional or not.

    But not in the context of free ball after a foul.
    As per the extract from the rules that I posted above, the free ball must be clearly indicated to the referee.


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    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    But not in the context of free ball after a foul.
    As per the extract from the rules that I posted above, the free ball must be clearly indicated to the referee.

    Yes agreed, I edited my post as I was a bit unclear about what scenario I was talking about.


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    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    So there's still some disagreement about the free ball scenario. Some are saying you must nominate it, no matter what, others are saying you don't have to if it's obvious.

    My understanding was that you must VERBALLY nominate the colour every time (if it's not verbal then it's not nominated). Others are saying not if it's obvious. I'm asking as it came up in a local tournament recently and the other player was adamant that it was obvious (and it was) and therefore not necessary to nominate. For me, it should have been.


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    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Edit: I'm not talking about free ball scenarios in what follows

    If you completely missed a colour one was clearly going for, and the cue ball hit another colour and it potted, is that a foul? I don't think so, the aim is to pot a colour after a red and that's what happened, intentional or not.

    That’s 100% a foul.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    Inviere
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭Inviere


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I don't think so, the aim is to pot a colour after a red and that's what happened, intentional or not.

    Any colour other than the one nominated/implied by the player, is not a viable ball to pot. It's without doubt a foul to do so.

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