The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

Hector Savage wrote: »

agenda ? which agenda ?

As i said, your post history is there for all to see, your agenda comes across VERY clearly.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Denial denial denial ...



https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/17629644.video-man-mocking-muslim-prayer-room-bolton-hospital-investigated-hate-crime/

I didn't deny anything, I just pointed out that none of that was mentioned in the link you provided.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Meanwhile if this was mockery of christians nothing would be done

A bold claim.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Police investigated this, if this guy was slagging off any other religion it would be grand, but even "liberals" were looking for him to be jailed for this.

Why are we importing this american talk into ours, calling everyone liberals and so on? You put something like that online and you will always get a vocal minority calling for the persons head or their freedom or their jobs. The mob are mad, but consistent.

The problem is YOU tend to fixate solely on stories regarding Islam. And then act surprised and offended when people do not fall over and hate it/them as much as you do.

But why cherry pick stories in this way? There was a man who used the word "n*gger" while explaining an ANTI racist position and they went for his head too. And they got it if I recall, he lost his job I think. I need to recheck the details there, but he was EXACTLY the wrong person to go after for racism and the mob went there anyway. There was a guy who trained his dog to do a nazi salute. They went for him online too. FFS that was actually funny, and they still wanted blood.

You will ALWAYS find an online mob foaming at the mouth at people over little or no slight at all. YOU choose to focus on the Islam stories and build a narrative out of that. And I think that is what people above meant by your ongoing posting history.

Read my latest post about Germany above for example. It happened to be about Muslims actually, not sure if you bothered to read it. I mentioned it was Muslims as an aside. I did not make the focus of my post or point AT ALL however. I would have written the same post regardless of what religion it was and in fact I got a dig in at some Jews too.

Islamaphobia is not the right word for you here I think. There is a phrase "Trump Derangement Syndrome". I think we can create a new phrase like "Islam derangement syndrome" to describe the ongoing narrative with you.

Hector Savage wrote: »

This is the kind of shyte that will be defined as "hate speech" ...

I do not have your psychic powers or crystal ball. But if anyone in any country I have any power or say or activism in does try to criminalise people making dumb ass videos with no actual hate in them I will be on the side fighting against it. And I will not be making it about Islam while I do it, because to do so would only create the impression of an agenda I do not actually have and make ME look bad, not them.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Denial denial denial ...

Stall up the rant there horse. The user simply said that the two claims you made were not contained in, or supported by, the link you cited. That is not "denial", but a perfectly valid and proper thing to say. If you make a claim and a citation, and the citation has nothing to do with the claim, it is proper order to point this fact out.

Now that you actually HAVE bothered to provide a relevant link it can be discussed. I would certainly like to have a word with the Cop in question and ask him what he thinks is "harmful material" there. I see poor humour that is in bad taste. Actually I LIKE bad taste humor myself when it is actually funny. But when it is bad taste AND unfunny, I just find it dumb. Not harmful.

I got legal threats and death threats (occasionally still get the latter, never the former any more, and even have one guy who must have an annual reminder set in Outlook to tell me he is still after me) for this article here. Not just death threats against me but against my family. In fact in one example someone said they wanted to kidnap and hold captive my little daughter because to them it was the SAME THING as me holding the "body" of their "lord". Holding a little girl child captive away from their family, alone and scared and confused, is the SAME thing to this "Christian" as me having a cracker in a drawer. Get your head around that one and what core beliefs are required to reach that conclusion.

You are simply wrong to think the mob does not go for people when they mock or blaspheme Christianity. The problem is the MEDIA knows stories about Islam get people with your issue to click bait like clockwork, so they only sensationalise and hype those stories. Was it not Christians who for example murdered abortion doctors and blew up their clinics?

It is a cyclical process. The online mob go for this crap, the media report on the mob, and people like you click the clickbait and rant that the world does not particularly and specifically hate Muslims as much as you do when they do not fall over the story the same way.

As for me? I hold all religions in equal regard when it comes to mockery and I have never been censored for it, and I do point out that of all our religions Islam is currently the most dangerous and deranged, and is centred around a personality cult of a guy who appears to have possibly been a pedophile and a cynophobe and an OCD control freak..... all again without censor.

So the "left wing liberal conspiracy" you seem to think is going on around this forum does not seem to be there. The issue is that I conduct myself in a civil and coherent fashion when I go after that religion. I do not choose to rant and rave or instantly go on the attack against other posters.

Hector Savage wrote: »

"Islamaphobia" is a made up bull**** term to silence critisism of Islam.

Not quite, but you are half right. Islamaphobia is a term that like...... lets say "mansplaining" or "nazi"...... is a term that was made up with a real meaning, with a genuinely useful application, and could be used coherently.

But much like words like "mansplaining" and "nazi" the words were commandeered by those who like to silence others in debate, rather than engage with them in debate, and they have rendered the word near useless and meaningless.

However the tactic does not always require simply misusing an otherwise useful word. For example above when you wrote to a user "Since you constantly defend the ideology otherwise ...." you were essentially engaged in the same thing people are doing NOW when they use the word "Islamophobia" which is attempting to shut down discourse with cheap points scoring and firing accusations that do not even fit the target.

So while you deride the use of the word "Islamophobia" you essentially move to become what you hate by doing the very same thing with unsubstantiated mis-labeling of those you disagree with. For shame sir. For. Shame. Sir.

Hector Savage wrote: »

for all other religions, except that special one which no one can say anything negative about.

No one who? I say negative things about it all the time. So does Sam Harris. No one has stopped either of us.

robindch wrote: »

While the FDA has warned people off drinking bleach since at least 2019, people in the US do seem to have been calling poison control centers in increased numbers since the start of March.

Australian ‘healing church’ fined for selling bleach as a coronavirus cure

A “healing church” that promoted a solution containing industrial bleach as a cure for coronavirus has been fined more than $150,000 for multiple allegedly unlawful advertising offences.

On Wednesday Australia’s drugs regulator, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), said the Australian chapter of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing had been fined for selling and promoting a solution containing sodium chlorite, a chemical used as a textile bleaching agent and disinfectant.

The Australian website for the church, MMS Australia, falsely claimed the solution could treat, cure, prevent and alleviate diseases including Covid-19, HIV and cancer, the TGA said.

It has been revealed that Genesis II church US leader, Mark Grenon, wrote to Donald Trump just days before the US president claimed disinfectant could be a coronavirus cure.

The letter stated that chlorine dioxide - a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk - is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99 per cent of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

An Australian representative of the church’s MMS Australia Foundation previously told Guardian Australia: “Do you go into the Catholic church and question them about the wine or the bread that they serve in the Eucharist? No, so why doesn’t the world leave us alone? These are our sacraments and we should be free to use it and teach other people to use it.”

Dr Ken Harvey, an associate professor of public health from Monash University, said he welcomed the fine but it was not a strong enough deterrent given the product had been causing issues for years.

“Yes the TGA issued infringement notices but this is just essentially an invitation to pay the fine or go to court and argue their case,” Harvey said. “In the meantime the MMS website is still up selling the products, with a few extras disclaimers, and they are now trying to label it as some kind of religious sacrament.

“What the TGA needs to do is order the website be taken down and a safety and warning notice and apology put in its place. While an infringement notice is a good step, it hasn’t done anything to stop the website, which is still promoting and selling it.”

Somehow I don't think these people are as stupid as they make themselves out to be, they know a good money making opportunity when they see one. $150k probably not even all of the profit they've made so far. Any organisation puling this sort of crap should be shut down and have all its assets confiscated.

Letter in yesterday's Irish Times:

Religion is not a hobby

Sir, – It is good that Breda O’Brien (Opinion & Analysis, May 9th) has drawn attention to a recent interview of Sean O’Rourke with Archbishop Eamon Martin in which the archbishop said that the church would not be lobbying to speed up a return to communal worship, and that this view was questioned by Sean O’Rourke.

She is correct in saying that many journalists see the church as either the enemy of all progress or a remnant of the past.

Why should the reopening of churches have to wait until the end of July in common with hairdressing and cattle marts? The Government seems to think that religion is a hobby, not something central to the lives of a great many people. – Yours, etc,

ROBERT MacCARTHY,

(Formerly Dean

of St Patrick’s Cathedral)

ublin 8.

response today:

Sir, – Robert MacCarthy (Letters, May 12th) questions the advice that churches should wait until the end of July to reopen along with hairdressers and cattle marts.

The coronavirus particle sees no difference between these locations.

Churches have been at the centre of several outbreaks across the world and must follow epidemiological advice like all other organisations.

Each new infection has ramifications beyond the individual. – Yours, etc,

Dr BRENDAN

McDONNELL,

Dublin 8.