Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

TomOnBoard · 06-09-2020 4:30pm

Detritus70 wrote: »

Just one more thing on the question "is the current US administration fascist", this video delves into that question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng

An excellent well-presented explanation.

I agree with the conclusions:

1. The Trump administration might not be Fascist, BUT it does Fascist things.

2. The Trump administration might not be Fascist, BUT it piggy-backs on Fascist groups and Fascist thinking to further its own goals which is mostly about making themselves richer at everyone else's expense.

3. The Trump administration might not be Fascist, BUT it sure sees the advantages to it from using its tactics.

4. The Trump administration might not be Fascist, BUT it doesn't really care if you think it is, so long as you fall for its tactics...

Call me Al · 06-09-2020 4:51pm

listermint wrote: »

Absolute genius leadership there . Dazzled by the white House was it

But what has the location of the Serbian embassy in Israel got to do with an agreement they've reached with Kosovo?
How is it in anyway relevant to their relationship?

From what I understand the US embassy is still essentially in Tel Aviv wrt admin, staff, and day to day operations.

Nody · 06-09-2020 5:53pm

Call me Al wrote: »

But what has the location of the Serbian embassy in Israel got to do with an agreement they've reached with Kosovo?
How is it in anyway relevant to their relationship?

It's not but Trump wants more countries to move so his decision don't look as stupid as it was.

lawrencesummers · 06-09-2020 6:54pm

It’s gas that the thing which has gotten Trump into the hottest of water recently is something I completely agree with.

People who die for their Country are losers.

I 100% agree that the idea of giving up your life in a war zone under the pretense of nationalistic duty but in the reality it’s the pursuit of economic gain for the few is the single stupidest thing a person can do.

Going hand to hand with afganis or Vietnamese or whenever Country your invading and coming out of it in a box is to me the definition of a loser.

Maybe the exception is the person who enlisted after 9/11 because of personal loss in that attack and they wanted to help track down Osama, but surely the decision then to invade an unrelated country would have made any semi intelligent man pack it in.

So in short I hate to say it, but he’s right. People who died in wars that the US fought over the last number of decades are losers.

Wasting your one and only chance at life killing people in a foreign country who pose no threat to you or your family? That’s dumb. Real dumb. Dead dumb.

So well done Donald on calling a spade a spade. That was dumb.

Muahahaha · 06-09-2020 7:01pm

Water John wrote: »

This from Cohen's book should help seal the Latino vote too:
'Cohen says Trump was undeterred and unconcerned with the harm to his businesses. “Plus, I will never get the Hispanic vote,” Trump said, according to Cohen. “Like the blacks, they’re too stupid to vote for Trump. They’re not my people.”

The leaks from the Cohen book are coming thick and fast today, it is due for relase on Tuesday and the media have got advance copies. Cohen has written about how Trump sees blacks

According to the Post, Cohen alleges that the US president has a “low opinion of all black folks”.
Trump said: “Tell me one country run by a black person that isn’t a ****hole. They are all complete ****ing toilets,” Cohen claims, and praised apartheid-era South Africa, saying: “Mandela ****ed the whole country up. Now it’s a ****hole. **** Mandela. He was no leader.” 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/06/michael-cohen-book-disloyal-alleges-trump-racist-outbursts-stormy-daniels-russia

Next Trump hired a 'Faux Obama' so he could fire him

Trump's disdain for Obama was so extreme that he took his fixation a step further, according to Cohen: Trump hired a "Faux-Bama" to participate in a video in which Trump "ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him."
Cohen's book, "Disloyal: A Memoir," doesn't name the man who was allegedly hired to play Obama or provide a specific date for the incident, but it does include a photograph of Trump sitting behind a desk, facing a Black man wearing a suit with an American flag pin affixed to the lapel. On Trump's desk are two books, one displaying Obama's name in large letters.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
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Then onto Stormy Daniels and that pay off

f all the crises Cohen confronted working for Trump, none proved as vexing as the porn actress Stormy Daniels and her claims of an extramarital affair with Trump, Cohen writes in Disloyal: The True Story of the Former Personal Attorney to President Donald J. Trump.
Trump, despite his later protestations, green-lighted the $130,000 US payment to silence Daniels ahead of the 2016 election, reasoning he would "have to pay" his wife a far greater sum if the affair ever became known, Cohen writes, adding the president later reimbursed him with "fake legal fees."
"It never pays to settle these things, but many, many friends have advised me to pay," Trump said, according to Cohen. "If it comes out, I'm not sure how it would play with my supporters. But I bet they'd think it's cool that I slept with a porn star."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-cohen-jail-us-president-stormy-daniels-crimes-1.5714152

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-09-2020 7:21pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s gas that the thing which has gotten Trump into the hottest of water recently is something I completely agree with.

People who die for their Country are losers.

I 100% agree that the idea of giving up your life in a war zone under the pretense of nationalistic duty but in the reality it’s the pursuit of economic gain for the few is the single stupidest thing a person can do.

Going hand to hand with afganis or Vietnamese or whenever Country your invading and coming out of it in a box is to me the definition of a loser.

Maybe the exception is the person who enlisted after 9/11 because of personal loss in that attack and they wanted to help track down Osama, but surely the decision then to invade an unrelated country would have made any semi intelligent man pack it in.

So in short I hate to say it, but he’s right. People who died in wars that the US fought over the last number of decades are losers.

Wasting your one and only chance at life killing people in a foreign country who pose no threat to you or your family? That’s dumb. Real dumb. Dead dumb.

So well done Donald on calling a spade a spade. That was dumb.

Going by this I am going to assume that none of your grandparents/great grandparents fought in WW1 or WW2?

extra gravy · 06-09-2020 7:42pm

https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1302645966714081281?s=19

Another criminal in the ranks.

pixelburp · 06-09-2020 7:43pm

If that story about Trump hiring an Obama lookalike is true, then it could instantly hit the top 10 of the most pathetic instances of Trump's personal behaviour. I mean, we know he has been obsessed with Obama, his feverish dismantling of the man's presidential legislation proof enough, but that his insecurity extends to actual strawmen? What a sad little man. All that money and power and still so scared and craven.

lawrencesummers · 06-09-2020 7:48pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Going by this I am going to assume that none of your grandparents/great grandparents fought in WW1 or WW2?

Considering this is an Irish forum and Ireland is a neutral country that didn’t fight in either of those wars it’s safe to assume that the vast majority of people in Ireland don’t have elders who fought in either war.

Plenty of Irish people did though, for personal economic reasons, which is a job to put food in your children’s bellies, not because of some blinded nationalistic patriotism.

Muahahaha · 06-09-2020 7:51pm

Never knew Bidens campaign manager is an Irish American with roots going back to Galway. Jennifer O'Malley Dillon is her name and she has worked for Al Gore, 2 x Obama campaigns and for Beto o'Rourkes run in the primaries. She was put in charge of the Biden campaign after o'Rourke dropped out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jen_O%27Malley_Dillon

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-09-2020 7:51pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Considering this is an Irish forum and Ireland is a neutral country that didn’t fight in either of those wars it’s safe to assume that the vast majority of people in Ireland don’t have elders who fought in either war.

Plenty of Irish people did though, for personal economic reasons, which is a job to put food in your children’s bellies, not because of some blinded nationalistic patriotism.

So ill take that as a no then

strandroad · 06-09-2020 8:00pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

The leaks from the Cohen book are coming thick and fast today, it is due for relase on Tuesday and the media have got advance copies.

The saddest thing is that none of the topics leaked so far would turn any Trump fans; they will be delighted with the Faux-bama stunt for example.

abff · 06-09-2020 8:18pm

strandroad wrote: »

The saddest thing is that none of the topics leaked so far would turn any Trump fans; they will be delighted with the Faux-bama stunt for example.

I doubt there is ANYTHING that would turn his die hard fans against him. No matter how big the smoking gun, they will choose to believe him when he shouts “fake news” even if the evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible.

lawrencesummers · 06-09-2020 8:20pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So ill take that as a no then

Right and correct

EltonJohn69 · 06-09-2020 8:21pm

Chances of this faux bama video leaking ?

Tell me how · 06-09-2020 8:28pm

pixelburp wrote: »

If that story about Trump hiring an Obama lookalike is true, then it could instantly hit the top 10 of the most pathetic instances of Trump's personal behaviour. I mean, we know he has been obsessed with Obama, his feverish dismantling of the man's presidential legislation proof enough, but that his insecurity extends to actual strawmen? What a sad little man. All that money and power and still so scared and craven.

It could in fact be the case that his entire motivation to run for Presidency was an attempt to be awarded the adulation that he saw Obama receiving and for some reason hated that it was that way.

The persistent tweets on the quality of Obama as a President, the birther theory, the desire to roll back on Obama policies, his specific focus on removing Obamacare and this latest story, there's something very personal about this.

extra gravy · 06-09-2020 8:33pm

Tell me how wrote: »

It could in fact be the case that his entire motivation to run for Presidency was an attempt to be awarded the adulation that he saw Obama receiving and for some reason hated that it was that way.

Well we know his motivation wasn't public service anyway as we have seen the disdain he has for that so your theory could be spot on.

maik3n · 06-09-2020 8:35pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Chances of this faux bama video leaking ?

I thought it had already?
Link below

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's true. The guy is obsessed with Obama. Listen to the criticisms he has for Obama. Each one could be against himself:

http://twitter.com/Dknight10k/status/1302460526560251905?s=19

Gbear · 06-09-2020 8:43pm

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1302645966714081281?s=19

Another criminal in the ranks.

Not only that, but he also is a former employee of, and still has a $30m stake in, a USPS contractor called XPO logistics (NY Times).

The figures, obtained by The New York Times from a public records request, shed new light on the extent to which the company where Mr. DeJoy was a top executive — and in which he still has a substantial amount of money invested — is intertwined with the agency he now runs, fueling questions about a potential conflict of interest. They emerged on the same day that the House Oversight Committee issued a promised subpoena for documents that the panel has said Mr. DeJoy is withholding from Congress, including information about his personal financial affairs.

Through about 100 contracts with XPO Logistics and its subsidiaries, the Postal Service has paid the firm $33.7 million to $45.2 million annually since 2014 for services that include managing transportation and providing support during peak times.

The documents also show a surge in revenue for XPO from the Postal Service since Mr. DeJoy took over on June 15. The Postal Service paid XPO Logistics and its subsidiaries about $14 million over the past 10 weeks, compared with $3.4 million during the same time frame in 2019 and $4.7 million in 2018.

I'd say virtually every single element of government that Trump has touched has been used to funnel money to himself, or to his cronies. It's worth taking a step back every now and again and really absorbing how shamelessly corrupt the entire administration is, from top to bottom.

ArmaniJeanss · 06-09-2020 8:50pm

Seems to be some doubt when the faux-bama video was done.
If it's 2012 conference season as first reported, then I don't think it's that bad.
Obama was in a tight battle with Romney, and election year is always full of such negative skits, though usually via poster campaigns on this side of the atlantic.
Putting a pair of devil eyes on Tony Blair is one that springs to mind.

Obviously if he did it since he got to the White House, then its off the scale levels of sad mad bad.

aloyisious · 06-09-2020 10:48pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Seems to be some doubt when the faux-bama video was done.
If it's 2012 conference season as first reported, then I don't think it's that bad.
Obama was in a tight battle with Romney, and election year is always full of such negative skits, though usually via poster campaigns on this side of the atlantic.
Putting a pair of devil eyes on Tony Blair is one that springs to mind.

Obviously if he did it since he got to the White House, then its off the scale levels of sad mad bad.

If it was after Jan 21 2017, I can see him, on an ego basis, insisting the video be filmed in the Oval Office so I reckon [if it's genuinely him and an actor playing out a faked firing scene] the standard office scene in the video ties in with the earlier year. scenario.

timsey tiger · 07-09-2020 2:38am

aloyisious wrote: »

If it was after Jan 21 2017, I can see him, on an ego basis, insisting the video be filmed in the Oval Office so I reckon [if it's genuinely him and an actor playing out a faked firing scene] the standard office scene in the video ties in with the earlier year. scenario.

I think it was 2012 and was as a sketch for political purposes, it's an overblown nothing burger. In fact the way it is being misrepresented really gives credence to the whole fake news mantra.

TomOnBoard · 07-09-2020 3:03am

strandroad wrote: »

The saddest thing is that none of the topics leaked so far would turn any Trump fans; they will be delighted with the Faux-bama stunt for example.

None of the recent revelations, all of which further expose the Emperor as having no clothes, are oriented or relevant to the 40 ish% who are committed Trumpists or even full cult members. Nor do they matter to the other 40-45% who wouldn't cross the road to give Donnie a Golden Shower if he was on fire. The revelations are useful in terms of educating the 10-20% in the middle: the listening, receptive undecideds, about the 'character' and execrable nature of this man.

listermint · 07-09-2020 10:46am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Considering this is an Irish forum and Ireland is a neutral country that didn’t fight in either of those wars it’s safe to assume that the vast majority of people in Ireland don’t have elders who fought in either war.

Plenty of Irish people did though, for personal economic reasons, which is a job to put food in your children’s bellies, not because of some blinded nationalistic patriotism.

Completely off topic, but i did have to call you out on you abject lack of understanding of how many members over there end up in the forces. You are aware many of the signups are going in precisely to feed their families. To get training or a college education via military funding to feed their families , to better their lives.

Im astonished this is foreign information to you.

timsey tiger · 07-09-2020 11:21am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s gas that the thing which has gotten Trump into the hottest of water recently is something I completely agree with.

People who die for their Country are losers.

I 100% agree that the idea of giving up your life in a war zone under the pretense of nationalistic duty but in the reality it’s the pursuit of economic gain for the few is the single stupidest thing a person can do.

Going hand to hand with afganis or Vietnamese or whenever Country your invading and coming out of it in a box is to me the definition of a loser.

Maybe the exception is the person who enlisted after 9/11 because of personal loss in that attack and they wanted to help track down Osama, but surely the decision then to invade an unrelated country would have made any semi intelligent man pack it in.

So in short I hate to say it, but he’s right. People who died in wars that the US fought over the last number of decades are losers.

Wasting your one and only chance at life killing people in a foreign country who pose no threat to you or your family? That’s dumb. Real dumb. Dead dumb.

So well done Donald on calling a spade a spade. That was dumb.

You do realize that for the Vietnam war the US had conscription. I guess most if given the choice would have avoided it. The Donald got a doctor to certify that he had bone spurs to avoid his place. Somebody else had to go in his place. I guess the donald doesn't give a sh1t about this person, writing him off as a loser, because his dad couldn't pay for a "doctor".

You do know, I assume that the donald is denying he said this/ holds these views, so why are you praising him for calling a spade a spade?

Detritus70 · 07-09-2020 12:07pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s gas that the thing which has gotten Trump into the hottest of water recently is something I completely agree with.

People who die for their Country are losers.

etc...

Is anyone in the army a sucker? Would this also extend to people who risk their lives as policemen and women, paramedics, firefighters or maybe even anyone who does something for someone else that they don't immediately benefit from?
My personal opinion, the people who go off to war are not suckers and losers. War is always a bad outcome. A country does need some kind of defense force, because the world is not always a nice place.
If you are going to find fault, you should seek it at the top, the people who start the wars and send others off to die on their behalf.

lawrencesummers · 07-09-2020 12:38pm

listermint wrote: »

Completely off topic, but i did have to call you out on you abject lack of understanding of how many members over there end up in the forces. You are aware many of the signups are going in precisely to feed their families. To get training or a college education via military funding to feed their families , to better their lives.

Im astonished this is foreign information to you.

By over there do you mean the US? Where access to healthcare And education is restricted To the rich or the people who go to the military?

Igotadose · 07-09-2020 12:40pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

By over there do you mean the US? Where access to healthcare And education is restricted To the rich or the people who go to the military?

What US is it that restricts education and health care to the rich? Not the one I grew up in. Not that it's equitable at all, and yeah, wealthy do better. But restricted, no.

lawrencesummers · 07-09-2020 12:41pm

Detritus70 wrote: »

Is anyone in the army a sucker? Would this also extend to people who risk their lives as policemen and women, paramedics, firefighters or maybe even anyone who does something for someone else that they don't immediately benefit from?
My personal opinion, the people who go off to war are not suckers and losers. War is always a bad outcome. A country does need some kind of defense force, because the world is not always a nice place.
If you are going to find fault, you should seek it at the top, the people who start the wars and send others off to die on their behalf.

There is a world of difference between joining the military in a country that is constantly actively at war, and being a cop, fireman, Paramedic. A world of difference.

lawrencesummers · 07-09-2020 12:44pm

timsey tiger wrote: »

You do realize that for the Vietnam war the US had conscription. I guess most if given the choice would have avoided it. The Donald got a doctor to certify that he had bone spurs to avoid his place. Somebody else had to go in his place. I guess the donald doesn't give a sh1t about this person, writing him off as a loser, because his dad couldn't pay for a "doctor".

You do know, I assume that the donald is denying he said this/ holds these views, so why are you praising him for calling a spade a spade?

And over 200k people were charged with draft evasion, because they knew getting killed wasn’t a good idea.

Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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