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Stheno · 05-05-2020 10:26am

troyzer wrote: »

They already have ignored advice. The CMO was dead against letting over 70s out before August at the very least.

But there's a reason why we don't have technocrats running the country. You need to have political accountability.

He also want each phase to be four weeks long

Buer · 05-05-2020 10:28am

I think our plan is solid also and, if it's needed, I'll be sticking to it. I do think it's likely we have to amend it eventually though. If other countries suffer a relapse/second wave, we'll stick to the plan but if others go well and accelerate much more quickly then there's going to be serious pressure to accelerate our own plan.

I do believe we're going to see more and more people ignore the rules in time if they don't. Keep in mind, we're not even 6 weeks into this lockdown. We are 11 weeks from people being allowed move more than 20km. As much as I'd like to think we'd all knuckle down, persevere and bind together, I think it's far more likely that people will say f*ck this. I can see people driving to other areas of the country way before then to see their families or partners; certainly far more than 20km.

[Deleted User] · 05-05-2020 10:40am

Buer wrote: »

I think our plan is solid also and, if it's needed, I'll be sticking to it. I do think it's likely we have to amend it eventually though. If other countries suffer a relapse/second wave, we'll stick to the plan but if others go well and accelerate much more quickly then there's going to be serious pressure to accelerate our own plan.

I do believe we're going to see more and more people ignore the rules in time if they don't. Keep in mind, we're not even 6 weeks into this lockdown. We are 11 weeks from people being allowed move more than 20km. As much as I'd like to think we'd all knuckle down, persevere and bind together, I think it's far more likely that people will say f*ck this. I can see people driving to other areas of the country way before then to see their families or partners; certainly far more than 20km.

We also need to remember that one of the worst hit countries in the world is 16km away from our shores and lacks a functional government.

troyzer · 05-05-2020 10:58am

Adam Neumann is suing SoftBank.

Cheeky bastard, after all of the **** he pulled.

gp1990 · 05-05-2020 11:02am

Buer wrote: »

I've already been told by several people that they're simply not going to wait until late July to see their families who live more than 20km from them as well as extended family who have partners who live more than 20km away.

Certainly - anecdotally - I've noticed far more people getting out more as the weeks have gone by (the road outside my house in rural Ireland is heaving with people exercising the last few days), and also where at the beginning people may have gone out for walks alone or with their family, I'm seeing plenty of couples and friends not living together doing similar as time has gone by

July is a very long time away - as people start to get bored of going for walks in the same areas and the novelty of getting up on the bike for a spin wears off with many, will we instead start to see more people congregating at houses in bigger groups?

Even leaving pubs till as far as phase 5 could well be enough to spark a trend of large house parties over the summer where social distancing is non-existent and you can forget about contract tracing. Hopefully if and when common sense prevails and pubs that serve food can open up alongside restaurants in phase 3 that might help to curb this

Overall I'm happy myself that some sort of plan has been drawn up - that said Phase 1 in mid-may will still benefit extremely few and for many it will still be an essential lockdown until June 8th which is very far away - I do wonder how people will react as you say with other countries now easing restrictions. That said Ireland could look very prudent indeed as time goes on

I don't think we'll truly understand this thing and its patterns in Ireland until the vast majority can be tested to see if they have had it at any stage. That said as time goes on more and more research is being carried out and interesting data and patterns revealed, which can help to make informed decisions (e.g. how high is the risk of transmission in outdoors settings etc)

[Deleted User] · 05-05-2020 11:22am

I can't see how another massive resurgence is going to avoided with all these plans in place. Surely numbers will go up exponentially. Not a hope we'll get to where New Zealand is. We're either gonna skip the rest of this year with extended lockdowns or bite the bullet and adopt Sweden's strategy. Hopefully our hospitals are ready. The general consensus I'm getting from friends and boards is that people are fed up.

Clegg · 05-05-2020 11:31am

I'm hesitant to use Boards as an indicator of widespread opinion.There are some truly unhinged individuals posting in some of the Covid threads.

Stheno · 05-05-2020 11:43am

partyjungle wrote: »

I can't see how another massive resurgence is going to avoided with all these plans in place. Surely numbers will go up exponentially. Not a hope we'll get to where New Zealand is. We're either gonna skip the rest of this year with extended lockdowns or bite the bullet and adopt Sweden's strategy. Hopefully our hospitals are ready. The general consensus I'm getting from friends and boards is that people are fed up.

Do you not think people will be more cautious though? I'd be slow to go to a restaurant or pub when they reopen tbh

[Deleted User] · 05-05-2020 11:47am

Clegg wrote: »

I'm hesitant to use Boards as an indicator of widespread opinion.There are some truly unhinged individuals posting in some of the Covid threads.

I only checked the "Most thanked" on the front page to be honest

Dave_The_Sheep · 05-05-2020 11:48am

Stheno wrote: »

Do you not think people will be more cautious though? I'd be slow to go to a restaurant or pub when they reopen tbh

If the last 6 weeks has taught us anything it's that many people are some combination of a) dumb as pigsh*t and b) ignorant tossers who only care about themselves.

Soon as the pubs reopen, they'll be absolutely rammed.

OldRio · 05-05-2020 11:49am

Well myself and Mrs OldRio haven't seen our children and grand child in months. If it takes another couple of months of lockdown to beat this bollox of a virus so be it.

We're both in our mid sixties and the last thing we need is some impatient idiots spreading this thing. BTW feck the publicans. Drink and social distancing do not mix.

I'm in no way a supporter of the present government but my God, I think in the main they have done a good job.

As an aside I really don't think you can compare us with NZ.

Sorry. A bit of a rant, well you try listening to my wife for two fecking solid months.

[Deleted User] · 05-05-2020 11:50am

Stheno wrote: »

Do you not think people will be more cautious though? I'd be slow to go to a restaurant or pub when they reopen tbh

I think even with a lot of cautions, we'll get back to R1+ pretty quickly. I obviously don't have the data for what I'm saying but I'm basing this how easily this thing spreads.

I don't miss pubs and restaurants so I doubt I'll be going to them. I'd be happy out at stage 3 where we can have small gatherings in houses.

Stheno · 05-05-2020 12:32pm

partyjungle wrote: »

I think even with a lot of cautions, we'll get back to R1+ pretty quickly. I obviously don't have the data for what I'm saying but I'm basing this how easily this thing spreads.

I don't miss pubs and restaurants so I doubt I'll be going to them. I'd be happy out at stage 3 where we can have small gatherings in houses.

I'm the same, it would be nice to have the ohs kids over for dinner and I'd like to go to a garden centre but my nearest one is more than 5km away well the one I like so I guess it will be woodies or b and q some late evening when they reopen

I imagine if/when the pubs reopen they may have to close early e.g. 10pm for a while

I think what I'm most looking forward to is the relaxation of the 5km rule to 20km tbh

Stheno · 05-05-2020 1:21pm

The UK have added 10000 non hospital deaths related to COVID to their statistics up to the 24th April

It's the ONS figures which count all deaths mentioning COVID on the death cert

Now over 32k deaths and believed to be more

It appears the media are starting to turn against the govt there

[Deleted User] · 05-05-2020 1:49pm

Stheno wrote: »

The UK have added 10000 non hospital deaths related to COVID to their statistics up to the 24th April

It's the ONS figures which count all deaths mentioning COVID on the death cert

Now over 32k deaths and believed to be more

It appears the media are starting to turn against the govt there

The governments ideological attachment to brexit has created a herd response from their supporters where instead of considering the staggering scale of failure they instead go out and take pictures of themselves clapping the bad away every Thursday.

In a country with any level of political accountability the Government would be pulled down. Boris skipping 5 COBRA meetings not for some random emergency, but for THE emergency of a generation should be career ending.

Insisting on shaking hands with sick people for optics during a pandemic should be career ending.

But to accept that Boris Johnson is 'career endingly' bad at his job is a step too far for the ideologically committed.

Maybe the media turns on them, but the country can do nothing about it either way. There are however seriously consequences beginning to emerge that will impact our corner of the world in the months and years to come.

We may end up longer in lockdown or partial lockdown if they fail to get their house in order. Worse If the UK Governments populism fails it will be an unimaginable **** show.

We are almost certainly going to be facing the fallout of a no deal crash in months thanks to these fools.

In the medium term I think this will be the final straw for Scotland. I can't see them not leaving and I suspect they'll be fighting a weak Westminster when it happens.

I'm bored and probably being dramatic but I think we're watching the start of a serious situation developing in England.

Podge_irl · 05-05-2020 2:04pm

OldRio wrote: »

Well myself and Mrs OldRio haven't seen our children and grand child in months. If it takes another couple of months of lockdown to beat this bollox of a virus so be it.

The problem is that another couple of months won't be enough to beat it. It isn't going to disappear until a vaccine is produced. We will potentially get a slightly better handle on it but that's it. The various social distancing measures (and personal hygiene measures) will have to do a lot of heavy lifting in the year to come.

gp1990 · 05-05-2020 2:05pm

Stheno wrote: »

I imagine if/when the pubs reopen they may have to close early e.g. 10pm for a while

I think what I'm most looking forward to is the relaxation of the 5km rule to 20km tbh

It doesn't surprise me that pub owners have been out in force since the roadmap was released - in fairness having country rural pubs alongside Temple Bar and Copper face Jacks in the same phase of easing restrictions is a little unfair, you just can't compare the two models.

There are many, many pubs nationwide who can implement social distancing measures with relative ease. I expect the government to give the go ahead to pub owners to submit plans on how they can re-open and implement social distancing in their establishment and then they can be individually assessed and given a formal go-ahead to re-open alongside restaurants in phase 3

As you say initially they could be limited to around 10pm closing time or maybe even no trading at weekends at first.
When offices start to re-open in the cities again, city centre pubs should be able to generate plenty of 'after work' trade to get them back up and running, but by closing early won't get too big crowds or too drunk crowds where social distancing becomes basically impossible. It will be an issue for rural pubs with limited opening times - but a lot wouldn't have been getting 20 in the door on a week night anyway

I'm unsure as to how practical booking attendance in advance is and talks of booking for certain timeframes - I don't see this realistically working, but table service and no access to the bar will definitely become the 'new normal' for now

Like yourself though, the 20km is the main easing I'm looking forward to, and maybe more relaxation around offices opening, just to mix up my working week a bit.

In relation to pubs I can personally take them or leave them by now. With reduced socialising and probably no widespread sport on for a while, I definitely won't get the same enjoyment out of them

Funnily enough, I wouldn't have drank at home before all this but I have to say I've found a new enjoyment in it. We have a nice garden though to sit out the back and we can socialise with the next door neighbours over the wall aswell, without needing to leave our back garden seats. I can relax and have a few cans, then tip away and do something else, go back and have a few more cans, and with ease - unlike the pub where its just round after round and pacing yourself can be much trickier. Can have a chat on the phone or online aswell at my leisure to introduce more a social element. No queues, easy access to toilets, cheaper drink - plenty to be said for it

If anything good comes out of this in relation to pubs - in my own view as a punter - it would be no more extremely packed places with three deep queues for bars, and with seats always available

Squidgy Black · 05-05-2020 2:10pm

This is what vinters had proposed to the government apparently

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Stheno · 05-05-2020 2:46pm

gp1990 wrote: »

It doesn't surprise me that pub owners have been out in force since the roadmap was released - in fairness having country rural pubs alongside Temple Bar and Copper face Jacks in the same phase of easing restrictions is a little unfair, you just can't compare the two models.

There are many, many pubs nationwide who can implement social distancing measures with relative ease. I expect the government to give the go ahead to pub owners to submit plans on how they can re-open and implement social distancing in their establishment and then they can be individually assessed and given a formal go-ahead to re-open alongside restaurants in phase 3

As you say initially they could be limited to around 10pm closing time or maybe even no trading at weekends at first.
When offices start to re-open in the cities again, city centre pubs should be able to generate plenty of 'after work' trade to get them back up and running, but by closing early won't get too big crowds or too drunk crowds where social distancing becomes basically impossible. It will be an issue for rural pubs with limited opening times - but a lot wouldn't have been getting 20 in the door on a week night anyway

I'm unsure as to how practical booking attendance in advance is and talks of booking for certain timeframes - I don't see this realistically working, but table service and no access to the bar will definitely become the 'new normal' for now

Like yourself though, the 20km is the main easing I'm looking forward to, and maybe more relaxation around offices opening, just to mix up my working week a bit.

In relation to pubs I can personally take them or leave them by now. With reduced socialising and probably no widespread sport on for a while, I definitely won't get the same enjoyment out of them

Funnily enough, I wouldn't have drank at home before all this but I have to say I've found a new enjoyment in it. We have a nice garden though to sit out the back and we can socialise with the next door neighbours over the wall aswell, without needing to leave our back garden seats. I can relax and have a few cans, then tip away and do something else, go back and have a few more cans, and with ease - unlike the pub where its just round after round and pacing yourself can be much trickier. Can have a chat on the phone or online aswell at my leisure to introduce more a social element. No queues, easy access to toilets, cheaper drink - plenty to be said for it

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Yeah my locals all do food well the ones I go to and by removing a third of the tables or so they'd be able to social distance serving food

I work near the Bord Gais Theatre and thinking of w.g. the Ferryman, normally it is five deep on the pavement by about 4pm on a nice day from Wednesday to Friday so they'd struggle, and there are feck all other pubs in that area, brewdog might be ok but it's a moot point for me as I wont be back in the office for many months

Dont tend to go out to the pub late tbh when we do it's for a bite to eat but tbh I'm not gone on the idea of multiple people cooking and handling my food or drinks at the moment

That said like you I'm lucky to have a very nice outdoor space which on a day like today is lovely, if you were stick in an apartment or house with no outdoor space or it would be different, I'd imagine people are finding that hard to cope with

Buer · 05-05-2020 3:22pm

I have zero faith in the pubs to stick to whatever guidelines they set out for themselves. These are the people who were packing in crowds even after the initial measures on March 12th as they tried to make as much money as possible in the tourist boom build up to St. Patrick's Day. Then it became clear that some pubs around the country were ignoring the instructions further and remaining open to serve alcohol even after this.

Some will behave and follow the guidelines. Some will not. All of them however will have to deal with drunk people failing to follow the measures regardless of what they do.The single biggest variable and risk of spreading a virus they have will be their customers. Alcohol and social distancing simply does not work.

gp1990 · 05-05-2020 3:27pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

This is what vinters had proposed to the government apparently

I think this looks very achievable for many pubs

There was a publican from Limerick interviewed in the Examiner on Satrday, and he mentioned things like punters having to pre-book a time to visit and having to state exactly how long they were staying for. On no planet can I see that type of thing being enforceable on a widespread scale in Irish pubs (to be honest pre-booking a time goes against one of the beauties of Irish pub culture stumbling across a new venue on a whim), but there's nothing in that list that should be too problematic I reckon

Stheno wrote: »

That said like you I'm lucky to have a very nice outdoor space which on a day like today is lovely, if you were stick in an apartment or house with no outdoor space or it would be different, I'd imagine people are finding that hard to cope with

Yeah I used to meet up with a friend quite a bit in Dublin, he'd head down for one or two several evenings simply just to get out of his claustrophobic apartment and get a bit of space. Definitely feel sorry for those in similar situations

gp1990 · 05-05-2020 3:32pm

Buer wrote: »

I have zero faith in the pubs to stick to whatever guidelines they set out for themselves. These are the people who were packing in crowds even after the initial measures on March 12th as they tried to make as much money as possible in the tourist boom build up to St. Patrick's Day. Then it became clear that some pubs around the country were ignoring the instructions further and remaining open to serve alcohol even after this.

Some will behave and follow the guidelines. Some will not. All of them however will have to deal with drunk people failing to follow the measures regardless of what they do.The single biggest variable and risk of spreading a virus they have will be their customers. Alcohol and social distancing simply does not work.

I don't expect the popular hot spots in Temple Bar, Camden and Harcourt Street to be allowed open any time soon, but I think enforcing sit down only policy, implementing potential earlier closing times, and operating at reduced capacity should be well manageable for many pubs across the country

thomond2006 · 05-05-2020 3:36pm

A good number of pubs will surely find it's not economical to open if they are forced to keep the bars free.

[Deleted User] · 05-05-2020 3:38pm

gp1990 wrote: »

I don't expect the popular hot spots in Temple Bar, Camden and Harcourt Street to be allowed open any time soon, but I think enforcing sit down only policy, implementing potential earlier closing times, and operating at reduced capacity should be well manageable for many pubs across the country

And after 8 pints? It's worth a shot I guess

Buer · 05-05-2020 3:40pm

gp1990 wrote: »

I don't expect the popular hot spots in Temple Bar, Camden and Harcourt Street to be allowed open any time soon, but I think enforcing sit down only policy, implementing potential earlier closing times, and operating at reduced capacity should be well manageable for many pubs across the country

Potentially but it's hard to know. I spend a lot of time in Mayo. When I go out for a few pints (rarer and rarer) in Mayo, the few pubs I go to in the town are as busy as the vast majority you'd find in Dublin city on a Saturday evening i.e. standing room only, a couple of people deep at the bar etc.

gp1990 · 05-05-2020 3:52pm

partyjungle wrote: »

And after 8 pints? It's worth a shot I guess

I'd expect very few to be going on big sessions with this new model but in any case I'd fully expect restricted opening hours. Not many will be inside long enough to get fully tanked

There will always be unruly patrons but like with anything I don't think anyone can expect 100% social distancing - which is why any openings are still a long way off yet.

When more retail stores open you will have kids running around, oblivious people pawing everything, I'm struggling to think of many if any business and premises where there won't be potential issues due to customer behaviour. The proposals above do their best to account for social distancing as best they can

Buer wrote: »

Potentially but it's hard to know. I spend a lot of time in Mayo. When I go out for a few pints (rarer and rarer) in Mayo, the few pubs I go to in the town are as busy as the vast majority you'd find in Dublin city on a Saturday evening i.e. standing room only, a couple of people deep at the bar etc.

Indeed but I'd expect pubs with smaller layouts and no outdoor area to not be granted any permission to open until phase 5, whenever that is.

Clegg · 05-05-2020 4:01pm

There's a few spots along Camden Street that may be able to successfully implement social/physical distancing. Camden Exchange is a fairly open pub that has an outdoor area at the back. Whelans too has a lot of space. But the smaller spots like Anseo would probably fit about 20 people in at most under the new guidelines. Cassidys would be problematic as well. Goes back a fair bit but is very narrow at points.

Hogans on Fade Street might make a decent fist of it. Plenty of seats around and is a fairly open area.

Yeah_Right · 05-05-2020 4:06pm

Not meaning to make light of the pandemic but I'm kind of enjoying the lockdown. The last couple of weekends have been spent in the backyard with beers, books and the BBQ. Never thought that I would be a fan of a Kindle but it has been a lifesaver. I have been practicing a few different cocktail recipes and a wide variety of food on the BBQ. Now if we could just get live sport and music back, I would be very happy.

Obviously its more important that people stop dying and getting sick and losing jobs. I'm just trying to look on the bright side.

troyzer · 05-05-2020 4:08pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Not meaning to make light of the pandemic but I'm kind of enjoying the lockdown. The last couple of weekends have been spent in the backyard with beers, books and the BBQ. Never thought that I would be a fan of a Kindle but it has been a lifesaver. I have been practicing a few different cocktail recipes and a wide variety of food on the BBQ. Now if we could just get live sport and music back, I would be very happy.

Obviously its more important that people stop dying and getting sick and losing jobs. I'm just trying to look on the bright side.

I wouldn't feel guilty about it. Me and the SO have been spending a lot more quality time together, cooking together, getting better at that etc.

I'm also saving a fortune, hopefully I can keep those habits going!

[Deleted User] · 05-05-2020 4:15pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Not meaning to make light of the pandemic but I'm kind of enjoying the lockdown. The last couple of weekends have been spent in the backyard with beers, books and the BBQ. Never thought that I would be a fan of a Kindle but it has been a lifesaver. I have been practicing a few different cocktail recipes and a wide variety of food on the BBQ. Now if we could just get live sport and music back, I would be very happy.

Obviously its more important that people stop dying and getting sick and losing jobs. I'm just trying to look on the bright side.

I think it's really important to appreciate the positives of all this. I'm loving how empty the roads are. As a cyclist, I can basically do whatever I want on them :pac:

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