Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

sydthebeat · 13-10-2019 1:47pm

And for those complaining about how Ireland play, and how great and expansive Japans play is..

Ireland have a points difference of +94 to japan's +53....

Rugby is a game where you need to play both sides of the ball.

Bring on the all blacks!!

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 1:50pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

And for those complaining about how Ireland play, and how great and expansive Japans play is..

Ireland have a points difference of +94 to japan's +53....

Rugby is a game where you need to play both sides of the ball.

Bring on the all blacks!!

Summed up by the 20 phases under the Samoan posts. It’s ugly rugby lets at least be honest but winning rugby in certain situations. Hats off to Japan and their kiwi coaching for playing with width, pace, offloading.

Squidgy Black · 13-10-2019 1:52pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

Summed up by the 20 phases under the Samoan posts. It’s ugly rugby lets at least be honest but winning rugby in certain situations. Hats off to Japan and their kiwi coaching for playing with width, pace, offloading.

We were down to 14 men, and trying to run down the clock. They're the exact situations that you play 'ugly rugby'.

DGRulz · 13-10-2019 1:53pm

For all the talk of how imaginative and skillful Japan are with the ball they're incredibly naive at times. Several times this world cup they've insisted on going for the try when all they needed was 3 points.

Sanjuro · 13-10-2019 1:55pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

Summed up by the 20 phases under the Samoan posts. It’s ugly rugby lets at least be honest but winning rugby in certain situations. Hats off to Japan and their kiwi coaching for playing with width, pace, offloading.

Nonsense. Ireland has the game won, we're down to 14 and didn't have to give anything away. All they had to do is keep it tight and wind the clock down. And they still scored.

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2019 1:56pm

DGRulz wrote: »

For all the talk of how imaginative and skillful Japan are with the ball they're incredibly naive at times. Several times this world cup they've insisted on going for the try when all they needed was 3 points.

Sounds familiar.

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 1:58pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

Nonsense. Ireland has the game won, we're down to 14 and didn't have to give anything away. All they had to do is keep it tight and wind the clock down. And they still scored.

But we did the exact same thing in multiple games. Japan for instance

Oh yeah sorry I forgot we have hidden moves we will see them next week hopefully

Cypher_sounds · 13-10-2019 2:02pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

And for those complaining about how Ireland play, and how great and expansive Japans play is..

Ireland have a points difference of +94 to japan's +53....

Rugby is a game where you need to play both sides of the ball.

Bring on the all blacks!!

When on form we play the brand of rugby that the all blacks don’t like. We slow the game down. We bash them up front.
NZ want every team to throw the ball around, that’s when they are at their best. It’s gonna be fascinating next weekend.

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 2:12pm

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

When on form we play the brand of rugby that the all blacks don’t like. We slow the game down. We bash them up front.
NZ want every team to throw the ball around, that’s when they are at their best. It’s gonna be fascinating next weekend.

That’s true. Hopefully we have the game of our lives. Can’t change our style now

AbusesToilets · 13-10-2019 2:13pm

I'm really excited for the match myself. We usually play NZ tight, potentially last game ever for coach and captain. Should be a cracker.

DGRulz · 13-10-2019 2:29pm

Kiwis won't have played a competitive game since round one, they'll be under cooked. Retallik has no minutes under his belt. Every match from here on out is potentially Joe and Rory's last for Ireland. We've got this.

Bridge93 · 13-10-2019 2:30pm

So to win it we’re looking at potentially NZ, England, SA...

If you’re going to do it you may as well do it right!

DGRulz · 13-10-2019 2:34pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

So to win it we’re looking at potentially NZ, England, SA...

If you’re going to do it you may as well do it right!

No one can say we don't deserve it if we do it. Quarter final is maybe the best of the knockouts to get NZtoo given their history their.

mystic86 · 13-10-2019 2:36pm

Who would people like to see starting next weekend?

For me:

Healy,
Best,
Furlong,
Henderson,
Ryan,
Ruddock,
van der Flier,
Stander,
Murray,
Sexton,
Stockdale,
Farrell,
Ringrose,
Conway,
Kearney

Farrell as Aki not available as it stands, Henshaw bit off the boil, and Kearney instead of Larmour for his ability in defense and reading the backline and his positioning, because of the attacking threat of NZ.

Bridge93 · 13-10-2019 2:37pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Who would people like to see starting next weekend?

For me:

Healy,
Best,
Furlong,
Henderson,
Ryan,
Ruddock,
van der Flier,
Stander,
Murray,
Sexton,
Stockdale,
Farrell,
Ringrose,
Conway,
Kearney

Farrell as Aki not available as it stands, Henshaw bit off the boil, and Kearney instead of Larmour for his ability in defense and reading the backline and his positioning, because of the attacking threat of NZ.

His would be my side with Henshaw instead of Farrell

gamma001 · 13-10-2019 2:42pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Who would people like to see starting next weekend?

For me:

Healy,
Best,
Furlong,
Henderson,
Ryan,
Ruddock,
van der Flier,
Stander,
Murray,
Sexton,
Stockdale,
Farrell,
Ringrose,
Conway,
Kearney

Farrell as Aki not available as it stands, Henshaw bit off the boil, and Kearney instead of Larmour for his ability in defense and reading the backline and his positioning, because of the attacking threat of NZ.

Henshaw will start without a doubt. How silly would it to keep an injured center for the entire tournament only not to play him (for the big game we have been keeping him for) when he is finally fit.

Other than that, this would be my team selection except maybe earls in for Conway

Former Former · 13-10-2019 2:46pm

I can't see Conway starting ahead of Earls. That would be a massive surprise

Rockbeast2 · 13-10-2019 2:51pm

My 23 Vs. NZ:

Healy, Best, Furlong
Ryan, Henderson
POM, Stander, JVDF
Murray, Sexton
Henshaw, Ringrose
Stockdale, Earls
Kearney

Kilcoyne
Cronin
Porter
Beirne
Ruddock
Carbery*
Carty
Larmour

* Just to be outrageous! I think us winning depends on Murray playing 80, and I don't think McGrath offers enough if we are chasing game. I'd risk it ;-)

jammiedodgers · 13-10-2019 3:14pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

That’s that so. Four year cycles etc. talking of South Africa has been foolhardy for us all

We have shown nothing in the last year to worry New Zealand. 2018 seems an age away.

We have shown nothing in the last 12 months to worry New Zealand. Apart from ya know... beating New Zealand.

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 3:19pm

jammiedodgers wrote: »

We have shown nothing in the last 12 months to worry New Zealand. Apart from ya know... beating New Zealand.

Ok sure let’s live off that. That’s should see us through. It didn’t help us subsequently but sure look it’s great.

With Sexton playing like he is we have a shot. If we are in any way off tho and throwing passes to the floor like all tournament it could be a 2012 job.

We couldn’t deal with Japan’s pace and handling so I’m struggling to see how we get a result. We needed South Africa

If we lose it will be ah look sure how could we expect to have beaten the World Champions.

I don’t know...perhaps by not playing like drains against Japan.

Our best opportunity gone in 55 minutes of madness. Ironically playing the least joe Schmidt like!!

Rockbeast2 · 13-10-2019 3:23pm

"it could be a 2012 job."

Yep, just like losing to World Cup Holders Spain 4:0"

;-)

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 3:26pm

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"it could be a 2012 job."

Yep, just like losing to World Cup Holders Spain 4:0"

;-)

Nah was referring to the test in Hamilton in June of that year! Thankfully I don’t think that can happen with a Schmidt team although twickers recently

For all the love of Japan this is New Zealand style rugby set by two of world rugby’s finest brains. It could get bloody in these conditions and in our form and I’ll be sickened. I hope we can do it. Need the best week of prep ever and we need to double down on our usual narrow style

Bridge93 · 13-10-2019 3:29pm

Surely 2012 is a great example of how quickly things can change? Yeah they lost 60-0 but they were also robbed of at least a draw the week beforehand

joseywhales · 13-10-2019 3:30pm

People keep making sunk cost arguments like , well it would be stupid to change style now and it would be stupid to not play henshaw because we carried him injured so far. We will play our style because it's our best chance of winning and henshaw will play because he is our best option.

I don't believe the management is prideful enough to make bad decisions based on sunk cost.

Rockbeast2 · 13-10-2019 3:30pm

Well, we're not losing 60 Nil!

We'll put up a good fight, and a couple of bounces of the ball will probably be the difference IMO.

NZ -12 is probably right handicap, but I wouldn't be shocked were we to win by 12 either...

ScissorPaperRock · 13-10-2019 3:31pm

The negativity around here these days is just so tedious.

We may lose... but what an opportunity. The lads have a shot at knocking the world champions out of the competition.

Yeah, our chances of getting to a semi-final would've been higher if we were facing South Africa.

But **** it. This is a shot at making some real history. It doesn't get much more exciting than this.

ScissorPaperRock · 13-10-2019 3:34pm

joseywhales wrote: »

People keep making sunk cost arguments like , well it would be stupid to change style now and it would be stupid to not play henshaw because we carried him injured so far. We will play our style because it's our best chance of winning and henshaw will play because he is our best option.

I don't believe the management is prideful enough to make bad decisions based on sunk cost.

How is this a sunk cost argument? This is just about practicality/feasibility... assuming we haven't practiced an alternative style sufficiently to this point, it would not be practical to change it now.

AbusesToilets · 13-10-2019 3:36pm

We can get the first score, I'd be confident of a tight game. We're no mugs with a lead, Japan game notwithstanding. I doubt NZ are particularly happy about having to play us. Joe has probably built this team with beating NZ in mind.

shootermacg · 13-10-2019 3:41pm

NZ to get a red card in the first 20 for a shoulder to the head. Ireland to win by more than a converted try!

COYBIG!

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 13-10-2019 3:44pm

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

The negativity around here these days is just so tedious.

We may lose... but what an opportunity. The lads have a shot at knocking the world champions out of the competition.

Yeah, our chances of getting to a semi-final would've been higher if we were facing South Africa.

But **** it. This is a shot at making some real history. It doesn't get much more exciting than this.

Agreed.

Italy were genuinely furious to not be able to play against NZ, and they would have been clobbered.

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