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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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    #902
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭john boye


    I see EI-CPG is currently showing on the ground on FR24. First time I've seen one of the A321ceos do anything since March. I'm guessing there's no chance of them returning any time soon, if at all?


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    #903
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Two of the A321ceo's have done test flights in recent days.

    More space in the hold for freight so could be handy to avoid running extra flights


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    #904
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Two of the A321ceo's have done test flights in recent days.

    More space in the hold for freight so could be handy to avoid running extra flights
    Being prepared for long-term storage.


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    #905
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    EI-CPG did not fly to LHR, EI-LRC did the honors as usual


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    #906
    donkey balls
    Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    It's hard to forget that behaviour and the last few weeks have shown a deliberate dragging of the heels so to speak which is seeing their own workforce suffer severely financially but also mentally.

    It's utterly despicable.

    That's something I would expect from a UK PLC not an Irish airline absolute shocking stuff, No doubt the mgmt members that came up with these ideas are long gone with a nice handshake of gold.


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    #907
    knockon
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭knockon


    Will EI resume LAX route in Oct as planned? Trying to organise the return of a Senior to DUB - any info would be appreciated. My gut says no as US will be nowhere near a green list and the ban on EU citizens will be for some time.


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    #908
    Qprmeath
    Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭Qprmeath


    knockon wrote: »
    Will EI resume LAX route in Oct as planned? Trying to organise the return of a Senior to DUB - any info would be appreciated. My gut says no as US will be nowhere near a green list and the ban on EU citizens will be for some time.

    I’d say highly unlikely


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    #909
    Phen2206
    Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Phen2206


    knockon wrote: »
    Will EI resume LAX route in Oct as planned? Trying to organise the return of a Senior to DUB - any info would be appreciated. My gut says no as US will be nowhere near a green list and the ban on EU citizens will be for some time.

    I can’t be 100% sure but I would be 99% that LAX won’t resume this side of Christmas. To my knowledge JFK BOS and ORD will be the only EI US destinations ex DUB this winter. As you say who knows when normal travel will be permitted between the EU and US, never mind passenger confidence to travel. Could the person in question travel to the east coast/Chicago and fly with EI from there?


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    #910
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    The only route coming back in the short-term at a severely reduced service level (3pw planned) is Toronto on the NEO. I don't see any other meaningful resumption of TA service until the EU/US relax travel restrictions between both, I don't see any movement on that until March at the earliest.


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    #911
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Any truth to the rumour that EI (and others) will move into T1 for the winter and they will shut down T2?


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    #912
    Bussywussy
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭Bussywussy


    donkey balls wrote: »
    No doubt the mgmt members that came up with these ideas are long gone with a nice handshake of gold.

    Probably promoted


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    #913
    Tenger
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    California Dreamer wrote: »
    Any truth to the rumour that EI (and others) will move into T1 for the winter and they will shut down T2?

    I do think closing off one of the terminals makes sense for the DAA, but EI need CBP in T2 for their US routes. Unless they are happy to have make thoseUS bound pax walk from T1 security along the link corridor to CBP area. (Not the worse transit in the World)
    Havent been in T1 in a few months. Im guessing there are enough check-in desks that EI could take over for 3-4 month? They would require cameras to photograph the checked in bags for US pax.


    Saw this posted elsewhere; The Aer Lingus booking/reservations system is 52 years old!
    Back in the 70s it was cutting edge stuff and EI handled the reservations systems of at least 3 other European airlines (including SABENA)
    They were also the larger handling agent at Heathrow for much of the 80s and 90s.

    https://travelupdate.com/aer-lingus-reservations-computer/


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    #914
    duskyjoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭duskyjoe


    California Dreamer wrote: »
    Any truth to the rumour that EI (and others) will move into T1 for the winter and they will shut down T2?

    I wouldn’t be surprised tbh. Look at Dub airport twitter feeds showing the place utterly deserted.


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    #915
    Avoation1091
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Avoation1091


    Does anyone know the situation with SNN? SNN - LHR is on sale from 19 Oct but will it actually resume that day? Some of the crew there are being put back on the roster according to RTE at the weekend.


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    #916
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    I travelled up from the south a few weeks ago. Bus Eireann to the airport and BE from the airport was the eastiest route (and probably the safest with only one transfer). I used the ‘ facilities at the airport (T2). It was lovely to smell the terminal again. It was practically empty. Maybe next time I will be actually flying. Here’s hoping.


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    #917
    Doylers
    Registered Users Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭Doylers


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    The only route coming back in the short-term at a severely reduced service level (3pw planned) is Toronto on the NEO. I don't see any other meaningful resumption of TA service until the EU/US relax travel restrictions between both, I don't see any movement on that until March at the earliest.

    When is this planned to happen?


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    #918
    Tenger
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    Avoation1091 wrote: »
    Does anyone know the situation with SNN? SNN - LHR is on sale from 19 Oct but will it actually resume that day? Some of the crew there are being put back on the roster according to RTE at the weekend.

    Doubtful we will see flights from SNN this side of December. (I hoping the Covid situation will improve before Xmas)
    Recent changes announced by EI over the weekend included the caveat of no flight operations ex-DNN.


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    #919
    Avoation1091
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Avoation1091


    Tenger wrote: »
    Doubtful we will see flights from SNN this side of December. (I hoping the Covid situation will improve before Xmas)
    Recent changes announced by EI over the weekend included the caveat of no flight operations ex-DNN.

    Ah ok. Some of the crew are prob operating ex DUB.


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    #920
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Doylers wrote: »
    When is this planned to happen?

    Very fluid at the moment was hoped mid-Oct, but this might be pushed out another month now. Could be movement possible with EU system for travel and Canada but it has yet to be confirmed and is very much up in the air at the moment.
    Avoation1091 wrote: »
    Does anyone know the situation with SNN? SNN - LHR is on sale from 19 Oct but will it actually resume that day? Some of the crew there are being put back on the roster according to RTE at the weekend.

    Nothing is expected to move in SNN until March at the earliest, staff have been told similar. They are yes back on the pay roll at reduced hours and will be incentivised to take special leave this Winter.
    Avoation1091 wrote: »
    Ah ok. Some of the crew are prob operating ex DUB.

    No SNN crew have operated rostered duties since early April. They will more than likely have to undergo additional training as their aircraft recency will be expiring very shortly.


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    #921
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    A321ceo EI-CPG is off to storage in Spain this morning


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    #922
    Nibs05
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    A321ceo EI-CPG is off to storage in Spain this morning
    I wonder if we will ever see them again.


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    #923
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    The A321ceo's are probably coming back as razor blades. They were penciled in to be withdrawn as the neo's arrived. The EI neo's are built for possible conversion to an all economy config

    They are owned outright so probably have a book value of 0 at this stage. They have a lot of cycles as they were bought originally for DUB-LHR and in recent years there has been an attempt to minimise cycles. That said an outstanding aircraft for high volume routes

    Not sure which but one of the 321's has a huge patch on the left side just beyond the L1 door been there for a few years.


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    #924
    Tenger
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    The A321ceo's are probably coming back as razor blades. They were penciled in to be withdrawn as the neo's arrived. The EI neo's are built for possible conversion to an all economy config.
    I would agree. I had been told that the CEOs would no longer be in use by summer 2024. I'm guessing that's been accelerated by 3 years. (my source wasn't sure when actual retirement was planned, ie. 2022 or 2023)


    A question now is the EI delivery slots on their remaining A321LR. They had deferred delivery on the next 4. But I wonder how flexible Airbus might be to "un-defer" them?

    Then there are the 6 XLRs that were on order.
    The A321neo is going to be very popular among global airlines over the next 2-5 years.
    While orders may be paused right now I'm confident that many airlines are poised to snag whatever cancelled airframes or availible delivery slots that they can get their hands on.


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    #925
    billy few mates
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Not sure which but one of the 321's has a huge patch on the left side just beyond the L1 door been there for a few years.

    That won't make any difference to the value or the lifespan of the aircraft.


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    #926
    Caoimhin321
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Caoimhin321


    Anyone know how long EI plan to operate the 330 on the EI178/179? Seems to be operating every Friday Sunday and Tuesday these days.


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    #927
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Caoimhin321 wrote: »
    Anyone know how long EI plan to operate the 330 on the EI178/179? Seems to be operating every Friday Sunday and Tuesday these days.

    As long as cargo demand dictates.


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    #928
    Avoation1091
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Avoation1091


    EI-CVA is positioning to DUB this evening after 6 months in Shannon.


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    #929
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Ei-CPG is awaiting its appointment with the scrap man in Spain


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    #930
    Avoation1091
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Avoation1091


    Will more of the A320 be put back into service? CVA, DEK & DEM left SNN/ORK today/yesterday. DEI/DEC are up at near the terminal in SNN inside of parked on the remote taxiway aswell.


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    #931
    flange888
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    Avoation1091 wrote:
    Will more of the A320 be put back into service? CVA, DEK & DEM left SNN/ORK today/yesterday. DEI/DEC are up at near the terminal in SNN inside of parked on the remote taxiway aswell.


    Chances are they will put most of them back into service and put on flights on a rotational basis, that would allow them to keep each airframe notching up hours and cycles rather than keeping a rake of them in storage.


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