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London Fire and Aftermath RIP

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  • #32
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,780 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Holy ****, that looks bad


  • #33
    tiger55
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭tiger55


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    tiger55 wrote: »
    What could possibly be in a stairwell to cause such a fire?

    Easy way for fire to have a clear run.

    Badly built and poor firewall if any.

    Now I could be mistaken but have worked in many office style buildings similar doing electrical work and just looks like that's where the straight lines up of the fire are.

    Cable, stairwell furnishings, timber and plastics. Many things for a fire to take hold.
    I have lived in high flats.  They are just concrete in the stairwells  Not even a carpet.


  • #34
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    tiger55 wrote: »
    I have lived in high flats.  They are just concrete in the stairwells  Not even a carpet.

    I understand that but there will be parts that will catch fire and also with heat and pure force flames will jump and get a huge amount of oxygen as fuel to it in such a place.


  • #35
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Looks to me like the tower was externally insulated and it's the external insulation that's on fire.

    Look like that might be how it spread - supposedly one side was on fire at the beginning.

    But on the other hand, some of the upper floors look gutted, so it got inside. You'd wonder if it has been recently refurbished what the internal fire suppression was like in the upper floors.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
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    long_b wrote: »
    That's what a guy who was in there said in an interview on BBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40269625

    Looks absolutely horrendous

    That eye-witness gave a great but horrifying account of it.


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  • #37
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj11I-u07zUAhUIY1AKHdN4BCE4ChAWCDEwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-4601902%2FHuge-inferno-West-London-tower-block.html&usg=AFQjCNGUsGNbciWIvDNV6BLm_9snNgiYuw&sig2=dQwIAjqUa7mVUXadj9IXSw

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #38
    Persephone kindness
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    Horrible. The damage looks extensive.

    ChunkyLover54 wrote: »
    Apparently residents were already concerned about the risk of fire at the building:

    https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/grenfell-tower-still-a-fire-risk/


    I hope someone is charged then. Building safety standards have to be looked into.


  • #39
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Persephone kindness wrote: »
    Horrible. The damage looks extensive.





    I hope someone is charged then. Building safety standards have to be looked into.

    We don't know the outcome yet it could have been deliberately started.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #40
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    We don't know the outcome yet it could have been deliberately started.
    That wouldn't change the fact that the big issue here is why it spread to consume the entire building. Building standards are suppose to prevent this, and their operation doesn't depend on whether a fire is started by accident or deliberately.


  • #41
    Persephone kindness
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    tiger55 wrote: »
    I have lived in high flats. They are just concrete in the stairwells Not even a carpet.
    They tend to be older flats. It's more expensive. But it acts as a cheap fire protectant. The thing is the opposite is true in winter....as in it gets VERY cold. So people freeze or have fire risk. You have to insulate a tower block to be able to heat it properly.

    In the old flats even with the heat on people would die sometimes of cold.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/heating-was-working-in-flat-where-woman-died-of-cold-says-council-1.581608

    This woman died of hypothermia...the heating was working though ..so people didn't get it ..but it's the old style block of flats extensive concrete ..which has one good thing it's a fire protectant ..

    The bad side is it will make a block of flats freezing even when heated ...so they started to use insulation or diff design and material....some i guess might be more flammable.


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  • #42
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Hey Persephone you might need to fix that video embed.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #43
    Persephone kindness
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    That wouldn't change the fact that the big issue here is why it spread to consume the entire building. Building standards are suppose to prevent this, and their operation doesn't depend on whether a fire is started by accident or deliberately.
    When you get buildings on mass like that and stuff people into them that is what happens ..the best fire protectant is space.


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    That wouldn't change the fact that the big issue here is why it spread to consume the entire building. Building standards are suppose to prevent this, and their operation doesn't depend on whether a fire is started by accident or deliberately.

    I don't think building standards are meant to prevent fire caused by arson. It would seem to me to be an impossibly high standard. I can't think of any residence that wouldn't burn if effort and thought was put into it.


  • #45
    Persephone kindness
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    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Hey Persephone you might need to fix that video embed.
    Fixed :)


  • #46
    Liamalone
    Registered Users Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭Liamalone


    Awfully intense fire it looked like, not many above the floor it started on will have escaped that. Fire service on a beaten docket from the start there.


  • #47
    Persephone kindness
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't think building standards are meant to prevent fire caused by arson. It would seem to me to be an impossibly high standard. I can't think of any residence that wouldn't burn if effort and thought was put into it.
    No but they should make it as easy to escape from as a house. And if they can't restrict how tall they can be.


  • #48
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't think building standards are meant to prevent fire caused by arson. It would seem to me to be an impossibly high standard. I can't think of any residence that wouldn't burn if effort and thought was put into it.
    No, buildings standards can't prevent arson. But they can retard the spread of fire, and the way in which fire spreads doesn't really depend on whether it was started accidentally or deliberately.

    In a residential tower block like this, fires will start - electrical fires, kitchen fires, wastepaper basket fires, whatever. You can add possible arson to that list, but it doesn't really change the picture. Arson or no arson, there will be fires and the building needs to be designed, built and operated with this in mind. And if it is designed and built that way, then a fire should not spread through 24 floors and consume the entire building. Even a fire which is the result of arson.


  • #49
    Quazzie
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    If it was the external insulation on fire, perhaps it looks worse than in it is and inside it isn't so bad?


  • #50
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    It's awful ..not only for those dead. The trauma. And people who lost loved ones and their homes and everything they own. I hope people help out!


  • #51
    Persephone kindness
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    Everyone in that building has lost their home they can never go back...and with smoke inhalation etc ...people lost family friends neighbors.


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  • #52
    Lucy8080
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    A guy who lived in the building said his next door neighbour's fridge exploded.

    This was apparently on the 5th floor ,others seem to be mentioning the fire starting on the second floor.

    It seems this building had three floors added recently , so if you previously lived on floor 2 it would now be floor 5. It may be the reason for conflicting reports of where the fire started.


  • #53
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Quazzie wrote: »
    If it was the external insulation on fire, perhaps it looks worse than in it is and inside it isn't so bad?
    The daylight photographs are showing a building that appears to be completely gutted, and there are fears that it is about to collapse. So, yes, it's bad.

    It's not likely that many people who remained in the building could have survived. The best we can hope for is that most of the residents got out before the escape routes became unbreathable.


  • #54
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,421 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Whenever I see something like this, I always can't help but think was it someone experimenting with something that went wrong. Home made drugs, explosives, etc.


  • #55
    darced
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  • #56
    Persephone kindness
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    Reminds me of the twin towers.


  • #57
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    The Guardian has confirmed that there has been a number of fatalities, RIP to all concerned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/14/grenfell-tower-major-fire-london-apartment-block-white-city-latimer-road

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #58
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    Lucy8080 wrote:
    It seems this building had three floors added recently , so if you previously lived on floor 2 it would now be floor 5. It may be the reason for conflicting reports of where the fire started.


    How does that work? They build from the bottom up now in tower builds? Would it not be easier to build on top of the top floor. Level 2 would still be level 2.


  • #59
    wdmfapq4zs83hv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 563 ✭✭✭wdmfapq4zs83hv


    Very reminiscent of twin towers. Has anyone mentioned terrorism? Dont shoot me! Was just my initial reaction when I woke to that news. Though thats my reaction to everything these days


  • #60
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    Lucy8080 wrote: »

    It seems this building had three floors added recently , so if you previously lived on floor 2 it would now be floor 5. It may be the reason for conflicting reports of where the fire started.

    How does that work?? Was there a vacant space in the first three floors like a shopping centre that closed and converted to three floors of apartments or something? Because the only way I can think of adding floors to a building is by building on top of the existing structure?


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  • #61
    Persephone kindness
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    Macie Few Skunk wrote: »
    Very reminiscent of twin towers. Has anyone mentioned terrorism? Dont shoot me! Was just my initial reaction when I woke to that news. Though thats my reaction to everything these days
    No. I haven't heard that. I imagine it will take a while to find out exactly what happened. Obv it's tragic whatever. I hope it isn't terrorism though....as it means there could be more in future. Obv it's bad no matter what.

    You just made me think Canary Wharf.


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