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Best tractor around 120hp

  • 18-10-2020 8:26pm
    #1
    Toplink
    Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭


    Debating about a new tractor or newish second hand more than likely. We don't spread our own slurry, tractor mainly needed for throwing out round bales with a front loader.

    Whats the best yoke around the 120hp mark?


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  • #2
    Fine Day
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Toplink wrote: »
    Debating about a new tractor or newish second hand more than likely. We don't spread our own slurry, tractor mainly needed for throwing out round bales with a front loader.

    Whats the best yoke around the 120hp mark?

    I think you need to have a budget and go from there as I am sure you know there is huge difference in costs out there.


  • #3
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Theheff wrote: »
    I think you need to have a budget and go from there as I am sure you know there is huge difference in costs out there.

    And specs. New holland T5.120 is 120 hp. So is the T6.125s. Two totally different animals though.
    Same for a Massey 5712 vs a 6712.


  • #4
    Fine Day
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Grueller wrote: »
    And specs. New holland T5.120 is 120 hp. So is the T6.125s. Two totally different animals though.
    Same for a Massey 5712 vs a 6712.
    Very true. If I was in going out to buy a tractor in the morning id be going with a ten year old tractor with low hours. No adblue or any of that craic.


  • #5
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Theheff wrote: »
    Very true. If I was in going out to buy a tractor in the morning id be going with a ten year old tractor with low hours. No adblue or any of that craic.

    You and everyone else Heff. That is the problem. 10 year old low hour tractor is €50k, if you can trust the hours!!!!


  • #6
    Fine Day
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Grueller wrote: »
    You and everyone else Heff. That is the problem. 10 year old low hour tractor is €50k, if you can trust the hours!!!!

    New yokes are lovely but you want to be trading them in every few years.


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  • #7
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Toplink wrote: »
    Debating about a new tractor or newish second hand more than likely. We don't spread our own slurry, tractor mainly needed for throwing out round bales with a front loader.

    Whats the best yoke around the 120hp mark?

    Do you need 120 horses would be my first question


  • #8
    salamiii
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭salamiii


    what about this used one

    https://touch.adverts.ie/farm-machinery/massey-ferguson-178/21769261


  • #9
    hopeso
    Registered Users Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭hopeso


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Do you need 120 horses would be my first question

    My thoughts too... 120hp is overkill for handling a few bales...


  • #10
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Grueller


    hopeso wrote: »
    My thoughts too... 120hp is overkill for handling a few bales...

    I would think that depends. I do my own slurry, mow, shake, rake and draw my bales. Top, spread fert and cut my own hedges.
    None of these jobs on the face of it need 120hp but I am in the market for a tractor that size too. Implements are getting bigger all the time and time is getting scarcer.
    Here is the big reason though. I have an 80 acre outfarm 8 miles away so spend a good bit of time on the road. The extra size, weight and comfort is essential to me for drawing back home silage bales during the summer. I carry 17 at a time so that is 14 tonne or so behind you. I would draw up to 300 of these on my own. Why not get a contractor and have a smaller tractor? I am on a one tractor plan and there is little differ in the price of 90hp and 120 hp to buy.
    The 120 hp will allow me to buy a 3tonne spinner and load bulk fert at the merchants when passing on the way to the outfarm, spread and home with no messing, load again on the way home and a lot of work is done in a short space of time.
    The extra weight on the hedgecutter would be a big help too.
    I am also on the high tax bracket on every euro the farm earns due to off farm income, have a good occupational pension plan and like doing my own work.


  • #11
    hopeso
    Registered Users Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭hopeso


    Grueller wrote: »
    I would think that depends. I do my own slurry, mow, shake, rake and draw my bales. Top, spread fert and cut my own hedges.
    None of these jobs on the face of it need 120hp but I am in the market for a tractor that size too. Implements are getting bigger all the time and time is getting scarcer.
    Here is the big reason though. I have an 80 acre outfarm 8 miles away so spend a good bit of time on the road. The extra size, weight and comfort is essential to me for drawing back home silage bales during the summer. I carry 17 at a time so that is 14 tonne or so behind you. I would draw up to 300 of these on my own. Why not get a contractor and have a smaller tractor? I am on a one tractor plan and there is little differ in the price of 90hp and 120 hp to buy.
    The 120 hp will allow me to buy a 3tonne spinner and load bulk fert at the merchants when passing on the way to the outfarm, spread and home with no messing, load again on the way home and a lot of work is done in a short space of time.
    The extra weight on the hedgecutter would be a big help too.
    I am also on the high tax bracket on every euro the farm earns due to off farm income, have a good occupational pension plan and like doing my own work.

    Yes, your workload totally justifies a 120hp tractor. But the OP stated that his tractor will be mainly used to throw out a few bales, hence my reply....


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  • #12
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Grueller


    hopeso wrote: »
    Yes, your workload totally justifies a 120hp tractor. But the OP stated that his tractor will be mainly used to throw out a few bales, hence my reply....

    And I agree 100%. If you asked the boss here he would say our tractor really only does a bit of feeding. Until you actually analyse it.


  • #13
    davidk1394
    Registered Users Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    If it was me personally. I'd buy a massey 5713, if you are doing a nice bit of loader work. Their a good all round machine that is easy to operate.


  • #14
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    The way things are going even less folk will be spreading slurry in a few years - it will become a job for only the contractors. Unless Moscha get LESSE approval - which I don't think is likely.


  • #15
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    If it was me personally. I'd buy a massey 5713, if you are doing a nice bit of loader work. Their a good all round machine that is easy to operate.




    I think the 5712 (or 5612) is 120hp.


    The smaller ones in those series are 3 cylinder and I think they escape the adblue requirements


  • #16
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    hopeso wrote: »
    Yes, your workload totally justifies a 120hp tractor. But the OP stated that his tractor will be mainly used to throw out a few bales, hence my reply....

    I agree, You would actually get two tractors for around or a bit with half the price of a 120 hp tractor less than ten years old.

    I am doing more or less similar to you OP. I have 60-70 acres and I finish 60 cattle . I make about 200-250 bales and draw them in, stack them and feed them. Spread fertilizer and a bit of land maintenance.

    I have a 2002 CX90 4wd with loader and a CX 80 2wd. The two tractors were purchased about 3 years apart and cost abouts 27-28K.

    If there is a second person with me bringing in bales we can bring in about 25 bales an hour.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #17
    [Deleted User]
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Do you need 120 horses would be my first question
    hopeso wrote: »
    My thoughts too... 120hp is overkill for handling a few bales...

    Would disagree on that. Went from a 75hp to 120hp and also having the use of a 90hp tractor at times I would never go under 115/120hp again. The comfort you have even from the extra weight of the tractors is well worth it. Could we manage the 200 bales or so we do, cleaning out sheds, muck/slurry, fert, cutting silage, tedding etc with less? Of course but there is a lot to be said for comfort and having a very capable machine well able for everything rather than struggling. Its much safer too imo especially for handling bales.

    Also when we have work going on we can pull a dump trailer with comfort or do other heavy jobs that might be rare but still great to be able to do them yourself when needed.

    I see so many people struggling with tractors too small we are much happier to have one that is a little big instead.

    You didn't give a budget op and you asked for the best so my suggestion would be a Fendt 312.


  • #18
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    I think the 5712 (or 5612) is 120hp.


    The smaller ones in those series are 3 cylinder and I think they escape the adblue requirements

    Have a 2018 5712
    Very nice tractor to do a days work in
    Have a 5ft 6 shear grab on her no problem

    Plan on keeping her till she is 10 year old
    Putting up 1000hours a year on it


  • #19
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Have a 2018 5712
    Very nice tractor to do a days work in
    Have a 5ft 6 shear grab on her no problem

    Plan on keeping her till she is 10 year old
    Putting up 1000hours a year on it




    Do you have the factory fitted loader/joystick?


  • #20
    trabpc
    Registered Users Posts: 939 ✭✭✭trabpc


    Arely Chubby Mimicry wrote: »
    Would disagree on that. Went from a 75hp to 120hp and also having the use of a 90hp tractor at times I would never go under 115/120hp again. The comfort you have even from the extra weight of the tractors is well worth it. Could we manage the 200 bales or so we do, cleaning out sheds, muck/slurry, fert, cutting silage, tedding etc with less? Of course but there is a lot to be said for comfort and having a very capable machine well able for everything rather than struggling. Its much safer too imo especially for handling bales.

    Also when we have work going on we can pull a dump trailer with comfort or do other heavy jobs that might be rare but still great to be able to do them yourself when needed.

    I see so many people struggling with tractors too small we are much happier to have one that is a little big instead.

    You didn't give a budget op and you asked for the best so my suggestion would be a Fendt 312.

    Agree with this 100% went from a 4 cyl 90hp to 6cy 120hp. Mainly because of the silly asking prices for 15/20yr old 4 cyl loader tractors. Got the bigger one for alot less money than the equivalent yr in the 4cy. I can pull 2500 gallon tanker. And hired in dump trailer with no issues. 2 wet bales on back no issues. Do all own silage. I see lads paying ridiculous money For jd 6210 etc. And than handicap themselves from doing heavier work and relying on contractors as thier own not capable of the work.


  • #21
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Do you have the factory fitted loader/joystick?

    Yes, a gift
    Wouldnt go back to a cable joystick again


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  • #22
    Bazzer007
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Bazzer007


    The only negative of buying 6 cyclinder tractor is higher fuel costs and it's that bit more difficult to get around small tight yards with a loader. 120bhp tractors are more comfortable and it's always nice to have that extra power if you need it. I'd rather buy a 120bhp if I had the choice.


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Ours is 120hp 4 cylinder so don't have the increased fuel costs.


  • #24
    Jd310
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Jd310


    Infairness a big tractor doing a job at her ease will burn much the same as a lighter tractor on her knees struggling all the time, I have both and wouldnt find much difference in diesel useage


  • #25
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Toplink wrote: »
    Debating about a new tractor or newish second hand more than likely. We don't spread our own slurry, tractor mainly needed for throwing out round bales with a front loader.

    Whats the best yoke around the 120hp mark?
    When all is said and done there is nt alot of difference in the common makes bar every make having the odd turkey.it really comes down to what you d like ,local good dealer and price.eg i have a buddy that likes the range command in nh whereas i prefer the way dynashift in a mf is set up


  • #26
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The question is how do you justify the spend of 50k on a piece of machinery that is only doing 2-300 hours work at half pace. While every farm needs a tractor you have to factor in the what it's doing and what costs are involved.
    It hard to justify a 50k tractor on drystock farms of sub 100/ acres. The thing about picking up a decent tractor is the time it takes. Some lads think that you should be able to rock up and get the tractor you require at the price by looking around for a week or two. Last tractor I bought took about 6 months to buy and as well another 2-3 months looking at options whether I could manage without a 4wd. It was the necessity of s loader that caught me. The options of putting it on the 2wd was not justified by the cost.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #27
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    The question is how do you justify the spend of 50k on a piece of machinery that is only doing 2-300 hours work at half pace. While every farm needs a tractor you have to factor in the what it's doing and what costs are involved.
    It hard to justify a 50k tractor on drystock farms of sub 100/ acres. The thing about picking up a decent tractor is the time it takes. Some lads think that you should be able to rock up and get the tractor you require at the price by looking around for a week or two. Last tractor I bought took about 6 months to buy and as well another 2-3 months looking at options whether I could manage without a 4wd. It was the necessity of s loader that caught me. The options of putting it on the 2wd was not justified by the cost.




    50k on a tractor with low hours work might be justified for the fella with the off-farm job who needs to rely on being able to do the jobs when they have to be done.


    We bought a yoke along the lines of what the OP seems to be looking for. It was over 5 years old and just over 1250 hours. We'd be looking at putting up a min of 800 hours a year on it, and possibly more depending on how much of the work it is used for. But to me, it seems mental that someone bought a brand new yoke and used it so little. Salesman said the fella has a well-paid off-farm job and only really does it as a hobby. Probably writes the losses off his salary taxes....he traded it in for a new one!


  • #28
    Gillespy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    The question is how do you justify the spend of 50k on a piece of machinery that is only doing 2-300 hours work at half pace. While every farm needs a tractor you have to factor in the what it's doing and what costs are involved.
    It hard to justify a 50k tractor on drystock farms of sub 100/ acres. The thing about picking up a decent tractor is the time it takes. Some lads think that you should be able to rock up and get the tractor you require at the price by looking around for a week or two. Last tractor I bought took about 6 months to buy and as well another 2-3 months looking at options whether I could manage without a 4wd. It was the necessity of s loader that caught me. The options of putting it on the 2wd was not justified by the cost.

    Well, no, the question was what 120hp tractor to buy. Just assume they have the money and let the thread run as it was intended, at least for a few days. Tractor talk is interesting, trying to justify them isn't.


  • #29
    Iloverain
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭Iloverain


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Yes, a gift
    Wouldnt go back to a cable joystick again

    What’s the difference between the factory fitted and other ones?


  • #30
    salamiii
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭salamiii


    new tractors out


    https://www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/tractors/ultimate-guide-to-buying-a-tractor-2020


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  • #31
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Iloverain wrote: »
    What’s the difference between the factory fitted and other ones?

    Its integrated into the armrest and its electronic
    The arm rest has throttle, lifts, T bar for gears

    On the joystick itself you have the plus and minus buttons for gears aswell as the 3rd service for the loader that can turn on and off 4wd aswell if you're at a job like loading muck where you need that extra bit of push

    It was an extra at a cost of 2k but the tractor itself will be worth that but more at trade in I'd hope


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