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The Tetrarch · 25-04-2019 10:56am

"Barney Roy in training with Charlie Appleby after flopping at stud"

Is there a hint in the wording of that headline?

tryfix · 29-04-2019 1:47pm

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Is it a dog or a horse, unbelievably it's a stallion called THE PLAYER who comes with his own feel good story.

“He likes to observe everything,” says Bradley. “Every day, he would lie flat out in his stall and put his head down outside of the gate and eat his hay. There were times when you thought someone would trip over him - I remember there was a big crowd at my barn on Kentucky Derby day and there he was, his head out under the stall with people all around him. He never once spooked, never once banged his head. It was a daily routine for him.”

All the while, he was developing into a formidable performer on the track.

Fourth on his only start at two, he broke his maiden at Churchill Downs the following May before falling less than a length short of G1 winner Cupid in the G2 Indiana Derby at Indiana Grand. He continued to progress thereafter, running second in the G3 Ack Ack Stakes en route to putting it all together when landing the 2017 G2 Fayette Stakes at Keeneland at the expense of Neolithic and McCracken.

The Player was impressive that day but he was arguably even more so the following February when the wide-margin winner of the G3 Mineshaft Handicap at Fair Grounds in a time not far short of the track record. That win earned him a 100 Beyer figure and thus, it was as the 4/5 favourite that The Player lined up for that fateful run in the New Orleans Handicap.

Bradley still has difficulty in talking of the moments immediately following the injury. With both sesamoids at the back of the fetlock fractured and the surrounding suspensory system in a state of collapse, the prognosis was bleak.

The following Monday at the LSU Equine Hospital, The Player had 16 screws and a locking metal plate inserted by McCauley to stabilise the fetlock. Subsequent complications, which included the replacement of a screw, hindered his recovery but, after six long months, the colt was able to return to Bradley’s farm in Kentucky.

“I drove to LSU every day,” says Bradley. “I can’t say enough good things about LSU and their staff. Initially, we hoped he would be there 30-60 days, but it ended up being about six months.

“We could all see that he had a will to survive, despite the ups and downs. His temperament was certainly a big factor in his survival, especially the fact that he was always lying down, taking weight off that leg.”

https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/meet-angus-horse-who-sits-dog-has-huge-facebook-following-and-very-lucky-be-alive/

paddy no 11 · 05-05-2019 4:38pm

Not going to do a dams thread but queues must have progeny hitting the track soon?

ASOT · 14-05-2019 2:01pm

Gleneagles now 2 for 2.

The Tetrarch · 14-05-2019 2:08pm

Every new sire from a big organisation has his early runners stage managed.

tatoo · 18-05-2019 10:52am

I see Kingston Hill has sired his first winner, a 6f maiden winner in Milan, I think this is from two runners, his other having being placed on his first start in Dundalk before running moderately at Naas.

tryfix · 26-05-2019 4:14pm

Zabeel Prince wins the Prix D'ispahan giving Lope De Vega a second Gp1 win in as many days after Phoenix Of Spain took the Irish 2,000 yesterday.

Zabeel Prince looking like he'd relish another furlong at the end of the 9f race.

tatoo · 31-05-2019 4:44pm

tryfix wrote: »

In the short term Frankel's fee is sustainable, despite many reservations about his stock he has produced the goods with his being the fastest ever to hit 20 group winners in the Northern Hemisphere and he has a great winners to runners ratio with an awful lot of 100+ rated runners. As trainers get more used to the many quirks of the Frankels it appears to be a case of not asking them for more than they can give and giving them plenty of time to come to hand. They are predominantly flat track bullies who dominate lesser quality horses but they find it hard to reproduce their best form against battle hardened Group 1 horses.

His weaknesses are with his fillies ( East may do a lot to address that ) but to my way of thinking there's a school of thought amongst the breeding fraternity that his fillies are going to be very valuable broodmare prospects ( as long as they think that his fee will stay high ). Time will tell but the mares that are being supplied to him are of a high enough quality to ensure that his stock will be good broodmares with or without Frankel's help.

Annapurna, by Frankel, and out of the Montjeu mare Dash To The Top, from that great Meon Valley family wins The Oaks.

Does her bit for the Frankel fillies, and reinforces the merit of the Galileo - Montjeu cross.

tryfix · 31-05-2019 5:32pm

tatoo wrote: »

Annapurna, by Frankel, and out of the Montjeu mare Dash To The Top, from that great Meon Valley family wins The Oaks.

Does her bit for the Frankel fillies, and reinforces the merit of the Galileo - Montjeu cross.

3x3 inbreeding to Sadler's Wells, the same as Sir Dragonet.

The Tetrarch · 31-05-2019 5:36pm

tatoo wrote: »

Annapurna, by Frankel, and out of the Montjeu mare Dash To The Top, from that great Meon Valley family wins The Oaks.
Does her bit for the Frankel fillies, and reinforces the merit of the Galileo - Montjeu cross.

You did not provide data.
In my database of 622,414 horses I found 25 with this cross in their first four generations.

Name OR Best RPR
All Of Me 69 80
Anapurna 103 114
Captor 60 63
Emirates Empire 90 93
Fortunique 83
Fountain 77 88
Hall Of Fame 87 103
Hannibal Barca Non-runner? Non-runner?
Harawi 72 72
Indigenous Union 84 77
Labhandar Non-runner? Non-runner?
Lowland Lassie 17
Lus Na Greine Non-runner? Non-runner?
Miss Wicklow Non-runner? Non-runner?
National Security 88 93
Overview 65
Paradox State Non-runner? Non-runner?
Parish Hall 108 118
Rehn's Nest 107 108
Run Baby Run 53
Siamsaiocht 87 92
Silverhon one year old one year old
Sir Erec 109 114
The Grand Visir 101 105
We'll Go Walking 99 105

Average 89.4 86.5
Median 88 92

Average all horses 75 75

Perhaps the horses where I did not find ratings ran abroad.
I will admit a sample of only 25 horses is too small to form a conclusion.
Galileo was rated 132 and Montjeu 138 and they may contribute something to the slight increases above average shown above.

tryfix · 02-06-2019 4:13pm

Gallileo, Gallileo, Gallileo, Gallileo, Gallileo, figaro, magnifico

In the last 2 weekends

Irish 1,000 Guineas, Tattersalls Gold Cup, grandaddy of the Epsom Oaks winner and hogging the Epsom Derby, G1 broodmare sire success in Australia of Queensland Oaks winner Winning Ways ( Declaration Of War X Skip Along ( Galileo ) ) and also Prix Du Jockey Club winner's broodmare sire of Sottsass ( Siyouni X Starlet's Sister ( Gallileo ) ) conqueror of Kingman's ace product Persian King.

tatoo · 02-06-2019 11:07pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

You did not provide data.
In my database of 622,414 horses I found 25 with this cross in their first four generations.

Name OR Best RPR
All Of Me 69 80
Anapurna 103 114
Captor 60 63
Emirates Empire 90 93
Fortunique 83
Fountain 77 88
Hall Of Fame 87 103
Hannibal Barca Non-runner? Non-runner?
Harawi 72 72
Indigenous Union 84 77
Labhandar Non-runner? Non-runner?
Lowland Lassie 17
Lus Na Greine Non-runner? Non-runner?
Miss Wicklow Non-runner? Non-runner?
National Security 88 93
Overview 65
Paradox State Non-runner? Non-runner?
Parish Hall 108 118
Rehn's Nest 107 108
Run Baby Run 53
Siamsaiocht 87 92
Silverhon one year old one year old
Sir Erec 109 114
The Grand Visir 101 105
We'll Go Walking 99 105

Average 89.4 86.5
Median 88 92

Average all horses 75 75

Perhaps the horses where I did not find ratings ran abroad.
I will admit a sample of only 25 horses is too small to form a conclusion.
Galileo was rated 132 and Montjeu 138 and they may contribute something to the slight increases above average shown above.

You're the man for the data Tetrarch.

It is, as you say, a small enough sample, but it throws up four notable horses to me, through both codes,
Parish Hall, Anapurna, Sir Erec and also Pentland Hills ( Motivator ex Galileo dam ) and that is very encouraging .

tryfix · 16-06-2019 7:17pm

Frankel had an interesting Gp3 winner in Sweden today.

The formerly William Haggis trained Learn By Heart ( Frankel X Memory ( Danehill Dancer ) ) won the 1m1f Gp3 today at odds of 47/1. It wasn't the greatest of Gp3 races with the formerly Aidan O Brien trained 3yo Christmas finishing in 3rd.

It's surprising that Learn By Heart had the speed to win at 9f. He's a 3/4 brother to Call To Mind a Gp2 winner by Galileo over 2m in Belmont and listed winner over 1m6f in the UK. He's also a 3/4 brother to the Queen's decent Galileo 2yo Recorder who won the Gp3 Acomb Stakes as a 2yo but failed to make it back to the track as a 3yo.

It's a good family, the dam Memory won the Gp2 Cherry Hinton as a 2yo and has produced 3 Gp winners now from just 4 runners. Her most recent produce to reach the track is another William Haggis trained Galileo colt called Space Walk who has just two 4th place maiden runs to his credit so far. He's one that will likely win a12f+ race at a nice price in the near future.

Galileo to speedy mares, it just keeps on clicking.

tryfix · 21-06-2019 9:32pm

Today's surprise Coronation Stakes winner Watch Me ( Olympic Glory X Watchful ( Galileo ) ) is yet another reminder of how careful backers of Galileo's progeny need to be as there are now a ton of his grandchildren racing these days and they're more than a match for his own progeny.

Want to get a top G1 miler then breed to a Galileo dam. 4 X 2,000 Guineas winners => Magna Grecia, Saxon Warrior, Night Of Thunder, Galileo Gold.

Speaking of Saxon Warrior, Coolmore are still sending Deep Impact those Galileo mares.

Minding has a colt foal by Deep Impact and Winter has a filly foal by Deep Impact.

tryfix · 29-06-2019 11:01pm

Wesley Ward's American Pharoah colt Maven became his sire's first Gr winner when he won the 5f Gp3 Prix Du Bois at Chantilly.

We're surely going to be seeing plenty more of American Pharoah's progeny over the next few years. Coolmore own him and he seemingly clicks with Galileo based on the 2nd place performance of Monarch Of Egypt in a Gp2 over 6f at the Curragh. Monarch Of Egypt looked like he'd enjoy a longer trip which is no surprise given that he's out of the Galileo filly Up. I'm not quite sure what to expect from these American Pharoah colts, maybe 6-10f as 3yos would be their range?

Buckhurst gave Australia another Gp winner, the jockey seems to think he can step up to 12f but so far the Australias have maybe hinted at having more stamina than they actually have. There's plenty of 10f speed in them as far as I'm concerned.

This crop of Galileo 3yos now has 5 individual Gp1 winners to its credit and Dubawi has fallen into a bit of a hole after threatening to put it up to Galileo this year with last year's 2yos.

tatoo · 30-06-2019 1:52am

Sovereign, partly due to a superb Padraig Beggy ride , provides the great Galileo with his 79th Group One winner, and is put off a Danehill Dancer mare, reinforcing the SW/Galileo Danehill cross.
Today's big race also provided another Group One trifecta for Galileo.

tryfix · 30-06-2019 3:09pm

Seeing as it's Irish Derby weekend some news of a previous winner. Yesterday Treasure Beach sired a Grade 1 winner in Argentina. He's been standing in Florida at $10,000 a pop for the last few seasons.

tryfix · 13-07-2019 2:11pm

First crop sire Golden Horn's Craylands 14/1 ran a nice 2nd in the 7f maiden fillies race at Newmarket.

I've seen a few of these running and they're big raw looking types who look like they're going make decent 3yos.

The White Wolf · 13-07-2019 2:31pm

Seeing Australia and Kingman producing winners makes me feel old. That's all I have to add to this thread. :P

tryfix · 13-07-2019 8:19pm

No Nay Never had a great day with his G1 and G2 winners, the kind of days that he needs to be having to justify the €100,000 stud fee.

Today's two winners were conceived at €20,000 ( Ten Sovereigns ) and €17,500 ( Mystery Power ). Things should get very interesting when his class later crops hit the track. Hopefully they'll start to stay a bit further than his first crop did.

If Mystery Power gets to the 2,000 Guineas he's the kind of Richard Hannon colt that could take the race at a decent price. On a line through Ropey Guest beaten 2 1/2 L in the Coventry Vs 6 1/4 L today he's probably superior to the Coventry winner Arizona ( No Nay Never ).

tryfix · 30-07-2019 1:30pm

Terrible news from Japan. DEEP IMPACT the imperious prerennial Champion Sire of Japan has died at the age of 17.

It's a blow to the Japanese racing and breeding psyche of even greater impact than the death of Galileo would be to the European racing fraternity.

.Deep Impact, one of Japan’s greatest racehorses and its champion sire for the past seven years, died on Tuesday aged 17.

The Shadai Stallion Station explained in a statement that its star attraction had undergone surgery on his neck on Sunday as part of ongoing treatment.

The operation had appeared to have been successful but Deep Impact had struggled to stand up the following day and, following x-ray examination, it was found that he had a fracture of the cervical spine and had to be put down.

https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/multiple-champion-japanese-sire-deep-impact-dies-aged-17/392766

tryfix · 31-07-2019 6:39pm

Calyx has been retired and is heading to Coolmore. Juddmonte will retain an interest in him and send mares to him.

The son of Kingman will be in plenty of demand and so will his yearlings, a win win all round. His long term future is less certain, it's Coolmore's style to strike while the iron is hot with these types and then move on to the next uber fashionable precocious type that they unearth.

Calyx doesn't really have a precocious 2yo sprinter pedigree. The Coventry winner is likely to be a good source of milers, as a 2yo his dam won a G3 and placed 2nd in the Prix Marcel Boussac both over 1 mile.

tryfix · 13-08-2019 11:32pm

Poet's Word, rated seventh in last year's Longines World's Best Racehorse Rankings, has been acquired by Boardsmill Stud in County Meath.

The son of Poet's Voice was advertised as a Flat stallion in his first season at Nunnery Stud in Norfolk this year, but will fulfil a dual-purpose role alongside Califet, Court Cave, Kalanisi and Mount Nelson – all proven sources of jumps Grade 1 winners – at the Flood family's operation from 2020.

Poet's Word was bred by Woodcote Stud out of the Listed-placed Nashwan mare Whirly Bird, making him a half-brother to the dam of classy juvenile Beckford and a relation to Group 1 performers Inchinor, Harbour Law and Venus De Milo.

Equine genetics expert Professor Emmeline Hill said in a recent Racing Post interview that her research showed that there has been a halving of the number of TT [staying-bred] horses in the thoroughbred population in Britain and Ireland and a 70 per cent increase in CC horses [those bred for sprinting] in the last 15 years.

We have been lamenting the lack of quality 3yos this year with this year's Derby in particular having had its form ripped asunder in subsequent middle distance races.

A decline of 50% in staying bred horses in just 15 years with a 70% increase in sprint bred horses shows how far down the toilet the traditional 12f champion races are heading.

It's a staggering statistic. They might as well pull the Derby back to 10f and be done with the pretence that it's the be all and end all of breeding.

https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/king-george-hero-poet-s-word-sold-to-stand-at-boardsmill-stud/395006

tryfix · 16-08-2019 7:26pm

Delighted to see the 2 Australia colts Buckurst and Leo De Fury fighting out the finish of the Royal Whip today. Australia has been a bit disappointing this year with nothing placed in Gp1 races so far?

It looks like the Australias like 10f and will keep progressing with age, so his future as a stallion is good but unfortunately he ain't looking like the replacement for his old man.

tryfix · 25-08-2019 7:12pm

Noble Mission ( Frankel's brother ) achieves his breakthrough first Grade 1 winner when his first crop son Code Of Honor won the Travers Stakes ( Dirt ) last night. Code Of Honor is a great advertisement for his sire, a G1 2nd as a 2yo, this year his last five runs have been a G2 win, a G1 3rd, a G1 2nd in the Kentucky Derby, a G3 win and now finally a G1 win.

This side of the Atlantic his son Spanish Mission won a decent Leger trial when he took the G3 Bahrain Trophy at Newmarket and didn't disgrace himself when finishing a close 3rd under a penalty in the Gordon Stakes at Goodwood.

There's a genuineness and physique about the Noble Missions that you'd hope for from a son of Galileo. He will be a very solid sire if he can get his fee back up from $15,000 to a point where he can start covering some mares with half the ability of the ones that have fallen into his brother Frankel's lap.

Hopefully Juddmonte will see that this fella is a serious sire in the making and start sending some good mares his way.

tryfix · 29-09-2019 6:32pm

Gleneagles has made a great start with 3 Stakes winners ( 2 G2 and 1 Listed ) but where does he go from here?

Will they stay? He's had a lot of 5-6f winners for a Galileo stallion. That would be the Storm Cat dam side coming through. His latest G2 winner Royal Dornach loved the mile trip and should get 10f as a 3yo.

Will the Gleneagles get 12f as 3yos? In lesser company they will, but like the Kingmans they should have their work cut out to make an impression in G1 races over 12f. They are strong bodied animals without the lean physical scope to thrive at 12f+.. They should train on as their sire did.

His stock should be a more robust and blue blooded version of the Rip Van Winkles. That's my take, opinions?

BumperD · 03-10-2019 6:42pm

Crystal Ocean bought to stand as NH sire at Coolmore

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/crystal-ocean-snapped-up-by-coolmore/172299

elderberry · 03-10-2019 8:18pm

BumperD wrote: »

Crystal Ocean bought to stand as NH sire at Coolmore

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/crystal-ocean-snapped-up-by-coolmore/172299

Not even a single season pretending to be a flat stallion! Don't think the owners have any links to an existing stallion operation so guess there was always chance this could happen

Robson99 · 03-10-2019 8:56pm

BumperD wrote: »

Crystal Ocean bought to stand as NH sire at Coolmore

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/crystal-ocean-snapped-up-by-coolmore/172299

Anyone know what he is like size wise ??

tryfix · 03-10-2019 10:43pm

elderberry wrote: »

Not even a single season pretending to be a flat stallion! Don't think the owners have any links to an existing stallion operation so guess there was always chance this could happen

It was hardly worth their while winning a Gp1 with him over 10f. It seems to be that the best supported newbie NH stallions have been Solid stayers ( Ascot Gold Cup / St Legers ) such as Order Of St George. Yeats, Brian Boru etc.

It only they had retired Capri in his Derby/Leger prime he'd be surrounded by the ladies instead of being a candidate for Gelding. Will he have a NH stallion career here or is he too damaged by his subsequent form?

Seems as if maybe they figured out that this year's Irish Derby Winner is more valuable as a non runner. Any news on this fella?

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