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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • #2942
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Further to the arizona situation, the Trump campaign has been reported as having cancelled all advertising in the Phoenix area previously scheduled to run between 8th and 14th September.

    Crazy stuff! Unless they're broke?

    https://www.alternet.org/2020/09/the-trump-campaign-is-broke/

    Dunno. He 9% behind having won Arizona by 3% in 2016. Maybe they think that it's a bridge too far and are focusing on tighter races?

    Edit: Saw your edit - that's great news!


  • #2943
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Further to the arizona situation, the Trump campaign has been reported as having cancelled all advertising in the Phoenix area previously scheduled to run between 8th and 14th September.

    Crazy stuff! Unless they're broke?

    https://www.alternet.org/2020/09/the-trump-campaign-is-broke/

    They obviously not broke but he has been diverting campaign funds to pay his legal expenses at an alarming rate according to NYT reporting. Nothing shocking there like, just more grifting.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #2944
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    So that’s Arizona and Michigan that he is all-but conceding.

    If (key word) they flip, then Biden only needs Pennsylvania to win out.

    Meanwhile, if Trump holds PA but Biden flips Wisconsin, then we’ve 269-269.

    On Arizona, it will be such a bad look for the GOP if they can’t keep that Senate seat. John McCain was one of the most respected Republicans out there and it would sum up what a **** show of a party they are if they lose it.


  • #2945
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    What metric are you using for the electoral map to leave it down to those 3 states? What way are you splitting what your holding as the 47 states that are dead certs?

    Yeah Arizona is a kick in the teeth for them but that woman they put in was very unpopular at the time, a terrible choice by all accounts and hasn't done anything to improve it seems.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #2946
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    I'm watching a gripping movie "Greyhound" with Tom Hanks as Captain of a US ship crossing the Atlantic in a convoy in 1941.

    This depicts honest, patriotic, courageous, God -fearing leadership at a time when the US was a true contributor to Allied efforts against fascism and evil genocide in Europe. It shows good men taking huge personal risks for a higher purpose. It shows not a single Trump categorised loser..

    Maybe Trump should be forced to watch! He might learn something. ..


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  • #2947
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,404 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So that’s Arizona and Michigan that he is all-but conceding.

    If (key word) they flip, then Biden only needs Pennsylvania to win out.

    Meanwhile, if Trump holds PA but Biden flips Wisconsin, then we’ve 269-269.

    On Arizona, it will be such a bad look for the GOP if they can’t keep that Senate seat. John McCain was one of the most respected Republicans out there and it would sum up what a **** show of a party they are if they lose it.

    It would be but John McCain was the penthouse and Marty mcsally is is the outhouse who has strapped herself to trump and unless the poll numbers change drastically then she’s gone and mark Kelly will do a great job of representing Arizona.


  • #2948
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Maybe Trump should be forced to watch! He might learn something. ..

    Trump turning to Hollywood to learn about history could have all sorts of bad outcomes.

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  • #2949
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Hermy wrote: »
    Trump turning to Hollywood to learn about history could have all sorts of bad outcomes.

    I take your point. However, the reason I posted this one is that the movie is a faithful representation of CS Forester's 1955 book on the subject which has been praised both at the time and later of being highly accurate, even though it was a work of Historical fiction.

    Regrettably, Trump has already learned much of his Presidential style from Hollywood. I'm thinking particularly of the Mad Max series.


  • #2950
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,103 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    StringerBell wrote: »
    What metric are you using for the electoral map to leave it down to those 3 states? What way are you splitting what your holding as the 47 states that are dead certs?

    Yeah Arizona is a kick in the teeth for them but that woman they put in was very unpopular at the time, a terrible choice by all accounts and hasn't done anything to improve it seems.

    Reading this, the Dems have 10 states that voted Trump in 2016, in play.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/democrats-arizona-georgia-texas-election-in-play


  • #2951
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    I'm watching a gripping movie "Greyhound" with Tom Hanks as Captain of a US ship crossing the Atlantic in a convoy in 1941.

    This depicts honest, patriotic, courageous, God -fearing leadership at a time when the US was a true contributor to Allied efforts against fascism and evil genocide in Europe. It shows good men taking huge personal risks for a higher purpose. It shows not a single Trump categorised loser..

    Maybe Trump should be forced to watch! He might learn something. ..

    It's plain that he's ignoring JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country", said example coming from a president who served his country in that war and being wounded into the bargain.


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  • #2952
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,103 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    aloyisious wrote: »
    It's plain that he's ignoring JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country", said example coming from a president who served his country in that war and being wounded into the bargain.

    He lost his older brother in WW2 also if I'm correct.


  • #2953
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Water John wrote: »
    He lost his older brother in WW2 also if I'm correct.

    Yes! It was very interesting from the point of view that he (Joe Jr) was the designated Presidential hopeful on the part of his father Joe Snr. He was one of the first people ever killed in action as part of a new pilotless drone strategy in WWII.. it was said that Joe Snr never got over his death, and saw JFK as a poor second choice when he eventually entered politics.


  • #2954
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Water John wrote: »
    Reading this, the Dems have 10 states that voted Trump in 2016, in play.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/democrats-arizona-georgia-texas-election-in-play

    I'm not really sure what that article is actually saying.

    As I see it from the many reports of polls etc., I certainly see AZ as very much in play. With a big Blue Wave, GA could fall to Biden, but TX is a huge stretch for me. FL is on a knife edge, and the Trump Fear strategy may have greatest impact here amongst those retired folks who actually survive Covid. MI, MN and WI are all going to see-saw between now and November and if Biden stays virtual rather than going out and about, he may well lose these. I don't see PA being in play unless there's a lot of negative news on Trump in the intervening period. OH and IA ...I dunno... IA did go Obama in 2012 and Trump in 2016, so I suppose it could fall to Biden.


  • #2955
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Water John wrote: »
    Reading this, the Dems have 10 states that voted Trump in 2016, in play.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/democrats-arizona-georgia-texas-election-in-play

    There's definitely more than 3 states it will come down to in my mind I just wanted to see why the OP had decided it came down to those 3. Which way the other close states were broken down and why.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #2956
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    StringerBell wrote: »
    What metric are you using for the electoral map to leave it down to those 3 states? What way are you splitting what your holding as the 47 states that are dead certs?

    Yeah Arizona is a kick in the teeth for them but that woman they put in was very unpopular at the time, a terrible choice by all accounts and hasn't done anything to improve it seems.

    I’m not leaving it down to those three states.

    In 2016, WI, MI and PA were won by less than 1%. They’re the ones most likely to flip and if all three did flip, then Biden wins providing he holds onto all of the states Hillary won.

    Of course Florida, Ohio etc could be in play, but you see some polls having Biden ahead in Texas, North Carolina and Georgia but I really don’t see how he actually wins in all three of them.

    You could argue Minnesota is in play judging by polls but really I don’t see how Trump wins there in the same way I can’t see Biden winning in the three states above.

    Wisconsin
    Pennsylvania
    Michigan
    Arizona
    Florida
    Ohio

    Those are the states in play in my opinion.


  • #2957
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2020/0905/1163445-trump/

    So Trump is pressuring a news channel to fire its reporter over a story he does not like or disagrees with.

    Is it a stretch to compare this to the Nazis" burning of the books?


    And the "first they came for the homosexuals....but when they came for me there was no one left to defend me" saying.?

    Don't want to fall foul of Godwin's law ......


  • #2958
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think it's more in line with hypocrisy from the right bemoaning the so called "cancel culture" - only to indulge in a blatantly adolescent form of it.

    At least in some small way the hysteria to "cancel" perceived racist/sexist entities comes from a place of zealous sincerity; this is naked insecurity over a journalist publishing bad press over ones person. That's pretty thin skinned.

    Trump's a terrible politician really. IIRC he "promised" he'd toughen the libel laws when he came to power back in 2016; guess that never happened.


  • #2959
    Detritus70
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    The Nazi comparison is a difficult one. Absolutely no one would suggest that Trump wants to throw people in concentration camps, yes, even with the cages. I don't think he directly wants people he doesn't like (let's face it, "brown" people and Muslims) interred and murdered.
    Trump is a vacuous, self-centred, selfish psychopath, but it's all about him. I don't think he cares enough about other people enough to want to kill them, yes, even with the Central Park Five.
    He does, however, definitely use Nazi, or better, fascist methodology.
    The rallies, using minorities as scapegoats, lack of logical arguments, instead using emotive, simple rhetoric, denigrating the free press, being anti intellectual and of course harking back to a mythical "golden age" that never existed.
    And of course a certain cruelty and telling one certain group (white, Christian Americans) that they are the "real" America and that all those women, minorities, eco warriors and atheists are getting a bit too big for their boots and should be cut down a peg or two.
    I would certainly call it "Fascism Light"


  • #2960
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Detritus70 wrote: »
    The Nazi comparison is a difficult one. Absolutely no one would suggest that Trump wants to throw people in concentration camps, yes, even with the cages. I don't think he directly wants people he doesn't like (let's face it, "brown" people and Muslims) interred and murdered.
    Trump is a vacuous, self-centred, selfish psychopath, but it's all about him. I don't think he cares enough about other people enough to want to kill them, yes, even with the Central Park Five.
    He does, however, definitely use Nazi, or better, fascist methodology.
    The rallies, using minorities as scapegoats, lack of logical arguments, instead using emotive, simple rhetoric, denigrating the free press, being anti intellectual and of course harking back to a mythical "golden age" that never existed.
    And of course a certain cruelty and telling one certain group (white, Christian Americans) that they are the "real" America and that all those women, minorities, eco warriors and atheists are getting a bit too big for their boots and should be cut down a peg or two.
    I would certainly call it "Fascism Light"

    Trump and Trumpism is akin to 1930s Nazism not 1940s Nazism because Nazism didn't emerge fully formed from a box. It was an evolving process. Trump and Trumpism is an evolving process. It will be interesting to see what happens to Trumpism if hopefully Trump is defeated. Will it latch onto a better candidate?


  • #2961
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,103 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Watching a detailed analyst on CNN last night. He indicated that Biden's lead is more like 5% than the 8%. Most of the swing states were at less than 5%, so its close and Biden/Harris need to seal the deal. But then with the revelations of the last few days, Trump may have sealed the deal for them.

    This from Cohen's book should help seal the Latino vote too:
    'Cohen says Trump was undeterred and unconcerned with the harm to his businesses. “Plus, I will never get the Hispanic vote,” Trump said, according to Cohen. “Like the blacks, they’re too stupid to vote for Trump. They’re not my people.”


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  • #2962
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Detritus70 wrote: »
    Absolutely no one would suggest that Trump wants to throw people in concentration camps, yes, even with the cages.
    I actually think if he knew he could get away with it he’d try!!


  • #2963
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 27,999 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Does anyone know what was going on here http://rs.n1info.com/English/NEWS/a636891/Bildt-tweets-Vucic-s-reaction-to-Trump-s-statement-on-Serbia-s-embassy-in-Israel.html ? Was it Trump being thick, or devious, or what?


  • #2964
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,255 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    looksee wrote: »
    Does anyone know what was going on here http://rs.n1info.com/English/NEWS/a636891/Bildt-tweets-Vucic-s-reaction-to-Trump-s-statement-on-Serbia-s-embassy-in-Israel.html ? Was it Trump being thick, or devious, or what?
    Serbia and Kosvo struck a deal to do more trade (still not recognize each other) and Serbia agreed to move their embassy as part of it because of Trump's request.


  • #2965
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,530 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Nody wrote: »
    Serbia and Kosvo struck a deal to do more trade (still not recognize each other) and Serbia agreed to move their embassy as part of it because of Trump's request.

    If Serbia agreed this then why did he look so surprised and go back over the document during that press conference..


  • #2966
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,404 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    listermint wrote: »
    If Serbia agreed this then why did he look so surprised and go back over the document during that press conference..

    Well they may have agreed something but something wasn’t as agreed because the look to his right at someone has a “we didn’t agree to that” look. I mean it’s very possible that president trump or his administration added 2 and 2 and got 6 on what the agreement said.


  • #2967
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,255 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    listermint wrote: »
    If Serbia agreed this then why did he look so surprised and go back over the document during that press conference..
    Well Trump was the one stating it was agreed so you need to roll a D20 to see if you can spot if it's a lie or not.


  • #2968
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,389 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Nody wrote: »
    Serbia and Kosvo struck a deal to do more trade (still not recognize each other) and Serbia agreed to move their embassy as part of it because of Trump's request.

    From that link
    And we didn't speak about many items that we signed today but for us it's very important that we are going to have a unified economic zone in an entire Western Balkans which will bring us to the real economic results for the benefit and for the sake of all our people," Vucic added.

    Oopsie lol


  • #2969
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,530 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    From that link



    Oopsie lol

    Absolute genius leadership there . Dazzled by the white House was it


  • #2970
    Detritus70
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Just one more thing on the question "is the current US administration fascist", this video delves into that question.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng


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  • #2971
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭abff


    I listened to that video and it makes a number of valid points. To answer the question posed towards the end of the video, my view is that Trump is first and foremost an opportunist, who has no deeply held beliefs whatsoever and whose sole motivation is self aggrandisement.

    Unfortunately, I’m starting to fear that, against all common sense and logic, we are going to have to try to survive another four years with this horrendous gobsh*te at the helm. The likelihood is that this will be by foul means rather than fair ones, but I just hope that I’m wrong and that he gets annihilated in November.


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