Bdgp

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

No, bought her in the mart. Spotted her outside and would have bought her as a commercial. Guy announced she had papers and in calf to a purebred lim bull.
Calf is 5 stars for both terminal and maternal. Cow has 6 generations AI back breeding. :cool:

If you don't know the Sire and are inputting you trait/registration details on line enter Sire as 'Unknown'

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Maybe her animals are red lighting mad and she claims that she can't tag safely, or she's changing the selected animals after the tags have been printed.
I had sold an animal that I got sent out a geno tag for last year,rang um up and they sent out a hair sample kit for another animal.

if ya have a 'mad animal' that may be difficult to tag you can contact ICBF or Dept and they will change the 'mad yoke' with another animal of your choice. Worked for me anyway.

STAY SAFE!

Quick question - how do you find out if the Sires you've listed for calves match those of the DNA results of the ear sample?
Do you have to just wait till the next proofs come out on the ICBF website?

croot wrote: »

I had a few that got new sires and they were updated before the proofs.

Did they contact you to say the sires you put down initially were wrong?

croot wrote: »

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Quick question - how do you find out if the Sires you've listed for calves match those of the DNA results of the ear sample?
Do you have to just wait till the next proofs come out on the ICBF website?

I had a few that got new sires and they were updated before the proofs.

Do you mind me asking are they AI animals. I ask as I too have had a couple sire changes. To AI bred animals. The funny thing is I don't have a lot of AI bred cows and the of the few that I do have a couple have had sire changes.

If a farmer buys a heifer in the mart because she's a five star animal at that stage, gets her genotyped and it turns out that her sire was wrong making her a two or three star heifer, what happens then?
I've heard of some dairy farmers being economical with the truth about which bulls some limousin heifers are bred off in order to boost their Eurostars.

tanko wrote: »

If a farmer buys a heifer in the mart because she's a five star animal at that stage, gets her genotyped and it turns out that her sire was wrong making her a two or three star heifer, what happens then?
I've heard of some dairy farmers being economical with the truth about which bulls some limousin heifers are bred off in order to boost their Eurostars.

Well that's what happened to me with the one I bought but since she's half dairy she's still listed as 5*. I wrote to the original owner on the card but never heard back and that's it really.

I suppose until the BGDP scheme came in you wouldn't give a damn who the daddy was as long as the heifer was a good one. It may go that way again. I sold two weanling heifers recently one was high 5* and one was a 1*. The 1* looked better in every way and was a much classier animal and sold way better as a result. A lot of lads I've spoken to seem to be completely disillusioned with it.

tanko wrote:

If a farmer buys a heifer in the mart because she's a five star animal at that stage, gets her genotyped and it turns out that her sire was wrong making her a two or three star heifer, what happens then? I've heard of some dairy farmers being economical with the truth about which bulls some limousin heifers are bred off in order to boost their Eurostars.

If she's off dairy cow she should remain 5 star even if off a one star bull as milk will be high.

A dairy farmer i know has 100% Holstein cows and a limo stock bull off Rocky, the resulting heifers are mostly two and three star on the maternal index.

tanko wrote: »

Does anyone know for sure whether or not cows born before 2013 will qualify as part of the 20% next year?
I thought they will but was talking to a consultant today who reckons they definitely won't.

Originally they didn't but I'm 99% sure they changed it. On the last suckler report they list the amount of eligible females in your herd and all cows even the ones born pre 2013 are included.

Future Farmer wrote: »

+1 with Croot

Was at a meeting recently where topic was raised.
It was to change for no age discrimination, but the terms have not been updated so
Over 16 months & born since 2013

tanko wrote: »

Until yesterday i would have agreed with you but now i think you're wrong. I had a look at the terms and conditions for the BDGP scheme on the Department website and it still says that only cows and heifers born in 2013 or later and at least 16 months old in Oct 2018 are eligible to count towards the 20%.

I was sure they changed this so that cows of any age counted but it doesn't look like it now.

I think that requirement is for replacements you buy but not for cows already in your herd.

tanko wrote: »

Looks like this is definitely the case whether animals are bought in or homebred.

Know some older farmers in the scheme with all 4 & 5 star cows which appear to be ineligible due to age & all calves are sold as weanlings.
How can you tell them that they have to sell their cows & buy younger cows, even though all papers they get do not highlight an issue with the existing stock

You're quick off the mark
Must have good sources

Farrell wrote: »

You're quick off the mark
Must have good sources

It's all about reading the T & Cs, then ask questions if you are unsure