White Supremecist Flag in Portmarnock

Dizzyblonde · 10-06-2008 9:39am

manic56 wrote: »

Mate this flag has been used for years by people from cork.

We've missed the real issue here lads - the north county has been infiltrated by someone from Cork and he's flying a flag to taunt us! :eek::eek::eek:

GhostInTheRuins · 10-06-2008 11:21am

Spot the white supremist:

tbh · 10-06-2008 11:27am

yesterday a guy in my office said that he was popping out for a sambo. I was highly offended, until it was explained to me that he was referring to a "sandwich", and not using an offensive term for a black person. I still ensured that he was fired tho.

2BFree · 10-06-2008 11:39am

yesterday a guy in my office said that he was popping out for a sambo. I was highly offended, until it was explained to me that he was referring to a "sandwich", and not using an offensive term for a black person. I still ensured that he was fired tho.

Thanks. Im not alone then.

donaghs · 10-06-2008 1:15pm

If you say its just a flag, you should still read the history of the American Civil War, and read about White Supremacists who have adopted the flag since.

As for the Swastika being older than Hitler, etc etc. If that was the case, why not fly this Swastika flag?

Personally I'm against the Confederate Battle flag, except in instances where it is linked the war recreations.

T-Maxx · 10-06-2008 3:23pm

A flag is a symbol. Symbols have different meanings to different people.

If it offends you, look the other way. Don't scratch where it's not itching.

gogglebok · 10-06-2008 3:38pm

2BFree wrote: »

NO, I am not incorrect.

It IS associated with slavery and racism - as seen above, EVEN in Ireland.

You're right that it is associated with racism and slavery, but it is also associated with other things. Many people from the Southern states view it as something like their national flag. Not all of them are racist. Some people from Cork evidently view it as a symbol of Cork. It mainly reminds me of Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Symbols are like that. They have shifting significance, and a lot really depends on the intent of the user. You have no real evidence that the person flying this flag in Portmarnock is racist, right? Maybe they should be a little more sensitive to the possible feelings of black passers-by, but I don't think outrage is the appropriate response.

I do applaud your sentiments, however, and I wouldn't fly that flag myself.

How would you feel about someone who took the tricolour as a symbol of homophobia, given that the state was disgustingly and determinedly homophobic for most of its existence?

Tabnabs · 10-06-2008 4:32pm

FFS, will people stop calling it a flag. It's the CSA Naval Jack! :rolleyes:

It had official recognition in its day as a "belligerent", meaning, in effect that the CSA was acknowledged to exist for but not yet granted "diplomatic recognition".

So as a Jack, it has significant meaning in a maritime environment and none of this political nonsense heaped upon it

Wishbone Ash · 10-06-2008 11:47pm

I pass that house regularly so I took the liberty this afternoon.....

bobbysands81 · 11-06-2008 1:48am

Looks like a beautiful place to live Wishbone Ash, you lucky fella/chick.

passive · 11-06-2008 3:02am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I pass that house regularly so I took the liberty this afternoon.....

Fine, show me up, Cnut =P

Wishbone Ash · 11-06-2008 8:37am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Looks like a beautiful place to live Wishbone Ash, you lucky fella/chick.

It's not my house!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

*runs for cover*

jdivision · 11-06-2008 11:42am

I'm conscious of where you're coming from but it's still used in the Mississipi state flag and was used in the Georgia flag until quite recently.

dresden8 · 11-06-2008 3:02pm

I feel cheated. I haven't been outraged by anything for a while. Does this mean I've turned into a normal human being?

Sherifu · 11-06-2008 3:08pm

Calm down, it's just a flag.

Red Hand · 13-06-2008 9:34am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

There are no Irish terrorist groups that I know of so how can they have hijacked our flag???

LMAO

Diceicle · 14-06-2008 3:31pm

Is there anything that could be done?? Yeah you could get a life. "May as well be a swastika"!! Cop yourself on.

humanji · 17-06-2008 12:00pm

Dyflin wrote: »

FFS, will people stop calling it a flag. It's the CSA Naval Jack! :rolleyes:

It had official recognition in its day as a "belligerent", meaning, in effect that the CSA was acknowledged to exist for but not yet granted "diplomatic recognition".

So as a Jack, it has significant meaning in a maritime environment and none of this political nonsense heaped upon it

Isn't it only called a Jack when it's flown from the jackstaff of a ship? Otherwise, it's a flag.

OLP · 23-06-2008 1:04pm

Probably a big Pantera fan

feaven · 23-06-2008 4:35pm

gogglebok wrote: »

Symbols are like that. They have shifting significance, and a lot really depends on the intent of the user. You have no real evidence that the person flying this flag in Portmarnock is racist, right?

I agree with this summary. Symbols are by definition open to individual interpretation, and this thread has been a great example of the theories of semiotics.

I'm curious though, is the original poster still as offended by the flag now that it has been explained to them that it is probably been flown by a cheeky supporter of cork football, looking to cause mischief with their dublin neighbours, as opposed to a racist?

paddywhack262 · 23-09-2008 1:12am

so my folks have got swastikas that were plastered into there ceiling about 200 years ago as good luck symbols (done quiet well to!) should i get out me chisel now get rid of all the nasty Nazi symbols??? how about we go after all the Buddhist temples in India etc!!!!! basically what im saying why dont you complain about stuff that actully matters in the real world! peace out!!:D

ChocolateSauce · 23-09-2008 1:44pm

If you are offended by it, you can ask them to take it down. However, as it on their property they have every right to fly it.

Morlar · 23-09-2008 9:22pm

Some people really do go around looking for things to be offended by. That OP is just dripping with righteous indignation. Imo typical lefty PC overdramatising of a non-story. Would be right smack bang at home on indymedia.

Manic Moran · 27-09-2008 2:52pm

humanji wrote: »

Isn't it only called a Jack when it's flown from the jackstaff of a ship? Otherwise, it's a flag.

It's what it's designed for. There were several variations of the design, the first was the Navy Jack, designed to be flown from jackstaffs (The Ensign was the second national flag), then there was the Battle Flag, which is very similar, but square, not rectangular. The current "Confederate Flag" is something of a post-facto hodgepodge and was never used in the Civil War period.

Would it be correct to say it is a 'pro-slavery' flag then? seeing as the confederate states were.

No. Not that simple a dividing line, for example the Union States of Delaware and Maryland were slave states as well. Many of the Confederate soldiers who fought for that flag were not pro-slavery. Many were. What united them was a desire for independence of action be maintained to their States. What you're arguing is akin to saying that the US flag is a "Pro-Death-Penalty" flag, even though a large portion of the population and some of the States are against it.

NTM

Pgibson · 11-11-2008 5:20pm

The swastika is an Indian symbol.

Not German.

There used to be a Swastika Laundry in Dublin before the Nazis were ever heard of.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_Laundry )

See also:

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/5266.html

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Pgibson · 11-11-2008 5:31pm

Photo of Dublin Swastika..Taken from the original Sanskrit symbol from India in 1912, and nothing to do with Nazis:

http://designresearchgroup.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/image_large.jpeg

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Hagar · 11-11-2008 6:33pm

Laundry names seemed to favour "lucky" symbols. I remember a White Heather Laundry on the SCR near Dolphin's Barn. The picture of the Swastika van looks like it was taken in Griffith Barracks on the SCR.

White Supremecist Flag in Portmarnock

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