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Graduate jobs in the civil service (AO)

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    #302
    maxol
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭maxol


    Lockstep wrote: »
    Once they've decided on the people who'll be interviewed, are the exam results still relevent then? As in, do they factor into your final result or was it just for weeding people through to the CV stage.


    Hard to say...I mean I guess if you scored No.1 in exams but are a complete moron ininterview then they're gonna disregard interview but realistically it's probably gonna be a combined thing. The job sim was the heighest weighted portion of the exam so they want those who have a head for a job situation so experience will be important Imho


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    #303
    phoenix999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 581 ✭✭✭phoenix999


    I would imagine that the results would still be relevant at interview stage. They would be weighted alongside qualifications, work experience etc. Although I only ranked 213 in Hr, I have two 1st class Masters degrees and few years experience. So I would welcome a supplementary application. Wishful thinking maybe?


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    #304
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,179 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    phoenix999 wrote: »
    I would imagine that the results would still be relevant at interview stage. They would be weighted alongside qualifications, work experience etc. Although I only ranked 213 in Hr, I have two 1st class Masters degrees and few years experience. So I would welcome a supplementary application. Wishful thinking maybe?

    Once you are at interview stage my gut feeling is:

    They are not really going to care if you got one or two more multiple choice questions correct than somebody who has better qualifications and more/better experience.

    I'd have thought the exam's main purpose was to reduce the numbers.


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    #305
    maxol
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭maxol


    phoenix999 wrote: »
    I would imagine that the results would still be relevant at interview stage. They would be weighted alongside qualifications, work experience etc. Although I only ranked 213 in Hr, I have two 1st class Masters degrees and few years experience. So I would welcome a supplementary application. Wishful thinking maybe?

    Pretty similar to me..well only one first class MA (just graduated) but 11 years experience.


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    #306
    phoenix999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 581 ✭✭✭phoenix999


    Would be something badly wrong if someone with 11 years experience wasn't interviewed. I've met people who were geniuses at maths and tests but who were sadly lacking social skills and practical good sense.


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    #307
    maxol
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭maxol


    Yeah...here's hoping logic is prevalent in this process!!


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    #308
    anbodhran
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭anbodhran


    phoenix999 wrote: »
    Would be something badly wrong if someone with 11 years experience wasn't interviewed. I've met people who were geniuses at maths and tests but who were sadly lacking social skills and practical good sense.

    Every role is different. For some jobs employers actually need the maths genius, and at times it would help if they were dull and boring as it wouldn't distract them from their work.

    For other roles obviously different skillsets are required. For something like economics a person with a really top quality Masters etc. might be a far better candidate than someone who doesn't but still has experience - but not necessarily all good experience.

    Very hard to generalise.


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    #309
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,179 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Yeah, pointless debate perhaps - preparing and doing your best on the day is going to be your best chance regardless.


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    #310
    bij
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭bij


    Did anyone get a message saying sorry you have been unsuccessful? It looks like they ranked everyone so unless you are in the top 30 you don't know if you will get through to stage 3? Does the email saying you have been successful and ranked x mean that you will, at some stage, be asked to complete the application form?


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    #311
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,179 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I am in the 200s and was told I will get a form to fill out soon for stage 3 so who knows?


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    #312
    delricyo
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭delricyo


    From past experience, I can say with almost 100% confidence that the exam result is binned as soon as you reach interview

    It's like you are starting again in a separate competition

    Oh, and you can pretty much guarantee that any uploaded cv's won't be looked at. They do things their own way !


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    #313
    Toasterspark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭Toasterspark


    I got just inside the top 100 for the HR and Economics campaigns (both of which I'm definitely qualified for).

    I got inside the top 130 for Banking and Finance (probably not as qualified) and Tax Policy (shouldn't have clicked that box really, so I'm sure I'll be dropped for this one).

    Good luck all!


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    maxol
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭maxol


    bij wrote: »
    Did anyone get a message saying sorry you have been unsuccessful? It looks like they ranked everyone so unless you are in the top 30 you don't know if you will get through to stage 3? Does the email saying you have been successful and ranked x mean that you will, at some stage, be asked to complete the application form?

    Yeah would love to hear if anyone was unsuccessful or did everyone 'pass'


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    #315
    sophya
    Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭sophya


    Is the rank they gave you in the message the actual place you were ranked regarding everyone else. If so I am stunned, got ranked 1 for human resources and 2 for law. Course I still might screw up the interview royally


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    #316
    maxol
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭maxol


    sophya wrote: »
    Is the rank they gave you in the message the actual place you were ranked regarding everyone else. If so I am stunned, got ranked 1 for human resources and 2 for law.


    Wow..think it's safe to say you'll be getting an interview and most likely a job lol! Well done :-)


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    #317
    sophya
    Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭sophya


    maxol wrote: »
    sophya wrote: »
    Is the rank they gave you in the message the actual place you were ranked regarding everyone else. If so I am stunned, got ranked 1 for human resources and 2 for law.


    Wow..think it's safe to say you'll be getting an interview and most likely a job lol! Well done :-)

    If I don't make a balls of the interview lol


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    #318
    Lockstep
    Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    CV stage is where I'll struggle then. I've a First class honour degree and stuff like the army reserves and was elected to the SU in my university but I've no masters or relevent legal experience.


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    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,293 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    sophya wrote: »
    Is the rank they gave you in the message the actual place you were ranked regarding everyone else. If so I am stunned, got ranked 1 for human resources and 2 for law. Course I still might screw up the interview royally

    I presume you weren't the girl beside me at the test that filled out the wrong sheet for test 1 then :D


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    Graciefacey
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Graciefacey


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    sophya wrote: »
    Is the rank they gave you in the message the actual place you were ranked regarding everyone else. If so I am stunned, got ranked 1 for human resources and 2 for law. Course I still might screw up the interview royally

    I presume you weren't the girl beside me at the test that filled out the wrong sheet for test 1 then :D
    Exactly! I'm wondering where the people who forgot their email, stood in wrong line forgot pencils calculators etc, placed. I REALLY hope they didn't pass or there's no hope for the rest of us with those geniuses about :p


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    Dancer656
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭Dancer656


    Lockstep wrote: »
    CV stage is where I'll struggle then. I've a First class honour degree and stuff like the army reserves and was elected to the SU in my university but I've no masters or relevent legal experience.

    I'm kinda similar as I have no relevant legal experience either. I have a masters degree and finishing up my second one at the moment.The thing is we're just guessing and tying ourselves up in knots.


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    #322
    maxol
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭maxol


    In my exam one guy came in, did all the registering sat in his seat, laid out his pencils etc then asked if it was ok to go the loo, grabbed his bag and never came back!! This was way before it actually started!


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    #323
    InReality
    Registered Users Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭InReality


    Congrats if you got a letter and commiserations if you didn't.
    The process is quite slow though , the main thing with the PAS is that they be fair and transparent with everyone , so speed of decisions is not the priority it might be in the private sector.
    On the plus side once you pass the threshold you might get a call to interview as long as the competetion if still in progress, I got a call to an EO interview about 2 years after the tests.

    Also the rank in the tests makes NO difference in the final decision:)
    I brought my rank up at interview, and was looked at as if I had 2 heads.
    Its all about showing competentcies (sp) :)


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Thanks for the response

    Really? That long.

    Tell me. What is the working environment like? I have been in private sector for 15 years so am thinking it might be a culture shock?

    Its more relaxed in my experience. I worked in the private sector (in IT) for 6/7 years before joining the CS.
    It depends a lot on your boss and what dept your in though.
    Revenue is pretty pressured for example.

    Its a bit like the military in some ways though ~ "grades" , as in CO , EO , AO etcs quite important.
    Most people at AO , HEO and above are pretty with it and at least as good as any in the private sector IMHO.


    I think its a great place to work. If your prepared to stand up for yourself and are ambitious there are lots of chances to improve and do good meaningful work , esp if you go in at AO grade.


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    #324
    Graciefacey
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Graciefacey


    maxol wrote: »
    In my exam one guy came in, did all the registering sat in his seat, laid out his pencils etc then asked if it was ok to go the loo, grabbed his bag and never came back!! This was way before it actually started!
    Oh dear. Riding the porcelain truck.I would imagine! :p


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    #325
    phoenix999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 581 ✭✭✭phoenix999


    sophya wrote: »
    Is the rank they gave you in the message the actual place you were ranked regarding everyone else. If so I am stunned, got ranked 1 for human resources and 2 for law. Course I still might screw up the interview royally

    Many congratulations. Did your email mention anything about the submission of CV/additional application form?


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    #326
    maxol
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭maxol


    Oh yeah, Sophya what did your email say?


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    #327
    billyhead
    Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭billyhead


    I have qualified for the interview stage and was just wondering if anyone thinks a second class honours rather then a first class honours degree will stifle my application. I have a 2.1 degree in business majoing in Finance/Accounting and I am on the final interview panel for the Economics and Finance positions. I do have a Graduate Diploma in IT from DCU aswell but that would not be relevant.


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    phoenix999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 581 ✭✭✭phoenix999


    2.1 is a perfectly good degree. A Lot will come down to performance on the interview day. I think you have to do some sort of management exercise followed by the interview itself. I wouldn't worry if I was you.


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    #329
    sophya
    Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭sophya


    My email was the same as dancer656 where they don't know the final dates yet


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    #330
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,179 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    billyhead wrote: »
    I have qualified for the interview stage and was just wondering if anyone thinks a second class honours rather then a first class honours degree will stifle my application. I have a 2.1 degree in business majoing in Finance/Accounting and I am on the final interview panel for the Economics and Finance positions. I do have a Graduate Diploma in IT from DCU aswell but that would not be relevant.


    Sorry, what did your email say exactly?

    Something about Stage 3 and another writeen application form?

    Something about the interview dates not being decided yet?


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    cee_jay
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭cee_jay


    My email for HR campaign states:
    Further to your participation at Stage 2 of the above campaign I am pleased to inform you that you have been successful at the selection tests in Croke Park and have been placed on the order of merit for the above mentioned Subcampaign.

    Currently we do not have dates as to when the shortlisting/interviews will take place for this particular Subcampaign however once dates have been finalised this office will contact candidates directly

    Feedback on your performance at the tests will issue towards the end of April. I would like to thank you for your participation in the selection process and wish you the best for the future.

    The economics campaign has details on receiving an application form this week.


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