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30-07-2020, 14:43   #46
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with the availability of endless public money easily available to most of these corporations, most of them could very well be still operational in the near future, even if theres major failures from those operations, all they would need would be a relabeling of 'systemically important', and they ll get the ultimate get out of jail free card, possibly forever.
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Apple will be here delivering cutting edge tech.

Facebook (the social media component) will hopefully be consigned to the dustbins of history. Pure toxic and they are a couple of scandals away from being shut down for good.

yeah thats exactly what I could see bringing down Facebook. Its been obvious to everyone for several years now that they are walking a very skinny tightrope in terms of peoples privacy and data. At this point most people see Zuckerberg as disingenuous in his claims to stand up for users, we all know he is spinning like hell.



So if a couple of scandals were to hit Facebook and Zuckerberg were still CEO when it happened its not that hard to see millions of people deleting their accounts, the tide would turn on them very, very quickly. They will still remain in some form but once trust is lost its impossible to get it back. I think its only a matter of time with Facebook primarily because Zuckerberg has been telling half truths for several years now and eventually it is going to catch up with him.


He would still have Insagram and Whatsapp to fall back on but if a scandal happens Facebook his face will be toxic so at that point I could see him resigning altogether to avoid contagion spreading to his other companies.
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Tesla will be far bigger in ten years
I don't think so.

Tesla did quite a few things first, but it didn't do them with great quality. Now that Mercedes, Volkswagen Group, BMW, Ford, Toyota, PSA Opel, Jaguar Land Rover, Volvo-Polestar and others are producing PHEVs and Hybrids, they are doing it better and more efficiently.

Tesla cars are badly built and because they lose almost a billion euro a year, every year, their ability to invest in replacements for their Gen 1 models is limited and those cars, especially the Model S and Model X, are dating fast and don't offer the quality and luxury of a Mercedes EQ model or the newly launched Polestar 2, which absolutely spanks the Model 3 on all fronts.

Personally I think they'll end up being acquired by General Motors as a survival move.
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I don't think so.

Tesla did quite a few things first, but it didn't do them with great quality. Now that Mercedes, Volkswagen Group, BMW, Ford, Toyota, PSA Opel, Jaguar Land Rover, Volvo-Polestar and others are producing PHEVs and Hybrids, they are doing it better and more efficiently.

Tesla cars are badly built and because they lose almost a billion euro a year, every year, their ability to invest in replacements for their Gen 1 models is limited and those cars, especially the Model S and Model X, are dating fast and don't offer the quality and luxury of a Mercedes EQ model or the newly launched Polestar 2, which absolutely spanks the Model 3 on all fronts.

Personally I think they'll end up being acquired by General Motors as a survival move.
Those manufacturers you mentioned above are certainly not producing better electric cars more efficiently than Tesla yet nor are they selling as many.

http://www.ev-volumes.com/country/to...hicle-volumes/

https://insideevs.com/news/396177/gl...december-2019/
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I wonder where sky will be in a decade. They won't be gone, but I don't think their model will work going forward.

There's more competition from the likes of netflix, Disney+, amazon prime, etc. Those companies could also pull the rights from sky for their shows too if they can make more selling it directly themselves.

And I imagine the same will happen with sports. Plenty of people just get sky sports for one of the soccer / Rugby / golf. If they offered their product directly to you via a Web subscription for less than sky, they'd get more power customer and you'd get it cheaper.

You can see that they're trying to change their model so that people can get them via nowtv, watch the on demand stuff, package their TV with their broadband, etc. But basically, they'll have to invest heavily to compete with companies with deeper pockets than them. I wouldn't be investing in them any time soon.
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I wonder where sky will be in a decade. They won't be gone, but I don't think their model will work going forward.

There's more competition from the likes of netflix, Disney+, amazon prime, etc. Those companies could also pull the rights from sky for their shows too if they can make more selling it directly themselves.

And I imagine the same will happen with sports. Plenty of people just get sky sports for one of the soccer / Rugby / golf. If they offered their product directly to you via a Web subscription for less than sky, they'd get more power customer and you'd get it cheaper.

You can see that they're trying to change their model so that people can get them via nowtv, watch the on demand stuff, package their TV with their broadband, etc. But basically, they'll have to invest heavily to compete with companies with deeper pockets than them. I wouldn't be investing in them any time soon.
....and the 'alternatives' market is growing quickly!
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....and the 'alternatives' market is growing quickly!
We're with virgin. If it wasn't for the fact that the TV isn't all that much extra on top of the broadband, we'd just get the broadband and netflix or the like. I don't have sports because I wouldn't pay 25 a month or whatever it is fit for it. But if golf on it's was offered for 8e per month I'd happily pay it.
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We're with virgin. If it wasn't for the fact that the TV isn't all that much extra on top of the broadband, we'd just get the broadband and netflix or the like. I don't have sports because I wouldn't pay 25 a month or whatever it is fit for it. But if golf on it's was offered for 8e per month I'd happily pay it.
keep broadband, go with an 'alternative', sports is just a ripoff
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Tesla will be far bigger in ten years
Big autoamakers are like oil tankers, they turn very slowly. But when the big Japanese, German and Korean auto makers go all-in on electric vehicles, they'll sink Tesla pretty handy. Tesla will be just a badge and people won't care they were first movers. Too much industry expertise in the big automakers.
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Boeing.

They are in deep systemic trouble even without Covid.
Their platforms are too old, too many complacent failures recently, their reputation is ruined and their war chest is nearly empty.
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Boeing.

They are in deep systemic trouble even without Covid.
Their platforms are too old, too many complacent failures recently, their reputation is ruined and their war chest is nearly empty.
plenty more bailout money there for them, cant see them sinking anytime soon
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Boeing are an interesting one. Deep structural problems there, and they sidelined their engineers (who traditionally led the company) in favour of Harvard MBA-type blowhards. They screwed up big time moving many production lines down South to thumb their nose at the unions in search of cheap labour. I remember seeing an Al Jazeera exposee piece where they were literally walking into fast food outlets in Alabama and asking the people flipping burgers did they want to come and build planes. Crazy stuff.
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Big autoamakers are like oil tankers, they turn very slowly. But when the big Japanese, German and Korean auto makers go all-in on electric vehicles, they'll sink Tesla pretty handy. Tesla will be just a badge and people won't care they were first movers. Too much industry expertise in the big automakers.
Lots of Huge car makers have went to the wall, todays manufacturers are no different. They're all in trouble

In the future, will I be buying an American built Tesla, a German built Tesla or a Chinese Tesla for 30K?
Make no mistake this is a catch up game for others, Tesla doesn't even keep development licences on current engineering practices, the competition is free to look at what's current.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...20-6?r=US&IR=T
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yeah Boeing should have been bankrupt at least a couple of times by now but the US government will always come in with a bailout cheque as they're strategically important to US military interests, its not just passenger airlines they make. Even if it was the US govt is not going to let Boeing fail as it would mean huge transfers of wealth to the EU to buy planes from Airbus.

Interesting call on Sky and yeah I can see Amazon really gnawing away at them in the next decade. Amazon have already dipped their toes into English Premier League and I can see more of the same coming down the line as Amazon pushes for new ways to sell more subs onto Prime. They have much deeper pockets than Sky when it comes to bidding for the rights. They might also offer packages so people can watch the sport they want at a reasonable price rather than Skys 40 quid a month to pay for loads of stuff you dont want.

Both Amazon and Musk are putting thousands of satellites in space to cover the globe in internet, if that eventually gets fast and cheap enough then all the main broadband companies could find themselves in trouble, at least in rural areas anyway.

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yeah Boeing should have been bankrupt at least a couple of times by now but the US government will always come in with a bailout cheque as they're strategically important to US military interests, its not just passenger airlines they make.

Interesting call on Sky and yeah I can see Amazon really gnawing away at them in the next decade. Amazon have already dipped their toes into English Premier League and I can see more of the same coming down the line as Amazon pushes for new ways to sell more subs onto Prime. They have much deeper pockets than Sky when it comes to bidding for the rights. They might also offer packages so people can watch the sport they want at a reasonable price rather than Skys 40 quid a month to pay for loads of stuff you dont want.

Both Amazon and Musk are putting thousands of satellites in space to cover the globe in internet, if that eventually gets fast and cheap enough then all the main broadband companies could find themselves in trouble, at least in rural areas anyway.
...and is upsetting a large proportion of the scientific and astronomy communities
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