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06-08-2020, 12:59   #646
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Fair enough. Would it compete with the EPL as a particularly competitive and at times physical league? I find the Championship far more interesting and super competitive. Serie A has struggled to gain world-wide viewership on the level of England, where it's highly unlikely that a 10 in a row could happen.
The EPL has an illusion of competitiveness, you have the top six and then the rest are pretty poor, Leicester(whose winning of the league will never happen again for a team outside the top 6) and Wolves had a good year this year but this is an anomaly, I can guarantee you that the big six will be re-established again next year.

Also, La Liga and Serie A struggle with viewers partly because they don't have the marketing power of the EPL and also the EPL has an advantage that English is its main language which lets be honest is the Lengua franca nowadays of the world so much more people can understand the commentary, interact with websites and news articles about the EPL.

Furthermore EPL has the money but does this work in its favour? I think a lot of players don't give a **** when they go there as they are on massive money and they have it made, they are mercenaries. That's why you often see smaller Spanish teams beat EPL teams with massive wage bills. I'd say they train harder as they are hungrier and work more on technique. I prefer La liga anyways, I think the PL is the McDonalds of football.
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Amazing the amount of you just ignoring that this thing is over. No doubt that James Cecil Parke is our greatest ever sportsman.
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Amazing the amount of you just ignoring that this thing is over. No doubt that James Cecil Parke is our greatest ever sportsman.
Because he played a lot of sports at a high level? That wasn't uncommon in the early 20th century. Would never happen today.
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Amazing the amount of you just ignoring that this thing is over. No doubt that James Cecil Parke is our greatest ever sportsman.
Honourable mentions to Martin Sheridan and Mabel Esmonde Cahill, of course.
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Because he played a lot of sports at a high level? That wasn't uncommon in the early 20th century. Would never happen today.
Name another Irish sportsman that came close to what Parke did.
I can tell you here and now that you won't find one.
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Name another Irish sportsman that came close to what Parke did.
I can tell you here and now that you won't find one.
His biography is dodgy out, it said he played first class cricket, for who? Samuel beckett played first class cricket, for trinity college. One game donkeys years ago, this parke dude doesn't register as a cricketer, won a few tap around tennis matches where only Toffs played, and headed off at the weekend to shoot pheasant, that's what the upper classes did in them times, anyway on the subject of contenders being ignored I nominate Sean Drea, again.
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His biography is dodgy out, it said he played first class cricket, for who? Samuel beckett played first class cricket, for trinity college. One game donkeys years ago, this parke dude doesn't register as a cricketer, won a few tap around tennis matches where only Toffs played, and headed off at the weekend to shoot pheasant, that's what the upper classes did in them times, anyway on the subject of contenders being ignored I nominate Sean Drea, again.
How would Sean compare with Paul O'Donovan who has 4 Gold World Championship medals and an Olympic silver and also a European Gold? Or his brother Gary who has 2 World Championships, Olympic Silver and Euro Gold.
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Ireland never got past the last 8 in a world cup, so rugby players can't be considered, its the world stage, not beating France and England at home, and Wales and Scotland away. To win the 5 nations, (everyone beats Italy). Why is the Clones Cyclone not mentioned at all, Barry McGuigan won 27 straight fights in a tough division, and only got chinned because of the greed of his promoter Barney Eastwood who wanted to make a few quid, and sent him out to fight in very high temperatures against Steve Cruz in Vegas. Northern bias again maybe. Sean Drea would be my pick, a high class rower who was second in the world champions, in 1975, broke the world record in the Olympic semi final the following year, but unfortunately only managed 4th in the final. He spent a lot of his career rowing against Russians, who cheated a bit, and notorious East Germany who cheated a lot, where even the women had beards.
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How would Sean compare with Paul O'Donovan who has 4 Gold World Championship medals and an Olympic silver and also a European Gold? Or his brother Gary who has 2 World Championships, Olympic Silver and Euro Gold.
He won the Henley single sculls 3 years succession 1973-75, silver in the world championship in England, 1975, broke the world record in the Olympic semi final in Montreal, and unlucky 4th in the final. Pretty good overall
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He won the Henley single sculls 3 years succession 1973-75, silver in the world championship in England, 1975, broke the world record in the Olympic semi final in Montreal, and unlucky 4th in the final. Pretty good overall
I'm not saying he was no good, but, if I was picking a rower, I'd pick Paul O'Donovan.
4 World Championship Gold beats 3 x Henleys and 1 Worlds Silver and then he has the Olympic Silver also.

Sean broke the world record at 2000M with a 6.52.46, Paul went 4 seconds faster.
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I'm not saying he was no good, but, if I was picking a rower, I'd pick Paul O'Donovan.
4 World Championship Gold beat Henleys and then he has the Olympic Silver also.

Sean broke the world record at 2000M with a 6.52.46, Paul went 4 seconds faster.
But would the equipment used and the updated technology have anything to do with faster times? I tend to agree on overall records, but it's the competing against cheats bit that I would have in Sean's favour, the East Germans were schooled in it, state sponsored cheating. One thing I would say is that physically demanding sports should earn extra merit, I wouldn't be picking anyone who played darts or snooker. Rowing, especially at crunch time is technically and physically tough, whereas some sports don't require much physical effort, but probably as much skill.
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One thing I would say is that physically demanding sports should earn extra merit, I wouldn't be picking anyone who played darts or snooker. Rowing, especially at crunch time is technically and physically tough, whereas some sports don't require much physical effort, but probably as much skill.
This is definitely a debate in and of itself. Some could argue that darts players and snooker players compete in a more challenging environment because Mental pressures can be greater when you are competing at one moment on your own, they can't use physical strength to push through while practically keeping their eyes shut to drown out distractions.

It could be argued that rowing is mostly just about muscle memory and fitness but that the core skill is less obvious than hitting a triple 20 3 times in a row.

Or, look at field sports, such as hurling. Balancing a ball on a stick, striking it while on the run at a target all require skill, but that sport also requires significant physical strength, and maybe more athleticism than say rowing (I'm saying maybe here, I'm not suggesting rowers aren't athletic at all), but their environment is quite static while competing when compared to other sports.
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