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02-08-2020, 02:34   #571
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In the context of being the best 'Irish sportsperson ever', how would you rate the leadership he displayed as captain of the national team in the world cup in 2002?
If you're saying that somehow negates his achievements with United then I disagree. You asked why he gets favoured over Irwin, I told you why. He still won the same amount of trophies, regardless of Saipan. He's also not any less Irish because of Saipan, so I would say in the context of the greatest Irish sportsperson it has no bearing on his objective success, as evidenced by his medals and the role he played in obtaining them. His Ireland career has never really been part of the discussion of his success anyway, same with Irwin.

Just because someone did something you didn't like, doesn't mean they haven't been successful. I've never been a fan of his personality wise, or a United fan, but trophies are indisputable.

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02-08-2020, 07:43   #572
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Why do people persist with this myth?


"Håland had stated on his personal website that he had been playing with the injury to his left knee a few months, that it did not receive a knock in the game to his left leg (Keane went for his right leg), and that Keane did not cause his injury. Legal action was dropped in February 2003 after the club reviewed the medical advice."
Probably because he said so in his book. Maybe not to injure but to "get" him.
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Especially the Scottish league, that's a really high standard. I know he was a decent player, but united had some squad. If u want to nominate a decorated player then John O'Shea is your man
Mentioning medals doesn’t make him the best ever. There’s Kilkenny hurlers with 5 and 6 All Ireland medals that nobody has ever heard of and then there’s the likes of Ken McGrath who would walk into any team in history with no medals. This medal thing is a load of nonsense.
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Probably because he said so in his book. Maybe not to injure but to "get" him.
He never said he ended Haland's career in his book, because Haland's career ended due to an existing injury in his other leg, which is what it says in the comment you quoted.

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02-08-2020, 10:59   #576
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Mentioning medals doesn’t make him the best ever. There’s Kilkenny hurlers with 5 and 6 All Ireland medals that nobody has ever heard of and then there’s the likes of Ken McGrath who would walk into any team in history with no medals. This medal thing is a load of nonsense.

5 or 6 Premier League medals is a good deal more impressive than 5 or 6 All Ireland Medals.
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5 or 6 Premier League medals is a good deal more impressive than 5 or 6 All Ireland Medals.
That’s opinion.
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That’s opinion.
Not really, you play an enormous amount of games when taking cups into consideration and have to consistently perform week in and week out (against players from all over the world) to keep your place, and at a top club you will be replaced if you don't. Constant international scrutiny and pressure from fans, management and media. To do all of that 5 or 6 times is remarkable, and the wages and prize money reflect that.
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Not really, you play an enormous amount of games when taking cups into consideration and have to consistently perform week in and week out (against players from all over the world) to keep your place, and at a top club you will be replaced if you don't. Constant international scrutiny and pressure from fans, management and media. To do all of that 5 or 6 times is remarkable, and the wages and prize money reflect that.
Nope, still opinion.
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Nope, still opinion.
Great point. Winning a darts tournament in your local pub is may be as significant as winning a gold medal in the Olympics in that case. The stats, viewers and money involved all indicate that winning Premier League is a far greater achievement than winning an All Ireland which is an amateur competition. I would even argue that winning the Scottish league is more impressive than an all Ireland medal, given that professionals play it.

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Nope, still opinion.
You certainly can't say that the Sky Sports marketing team haven't done a great job around these parts over the last 28 years!
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Our most successful Olympian does get forgotten about in these lists.

Was she not stripped of medals for drug abuse?
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the fact the he threw a strop and walked out on his national team at the crucial moment

He was sent home.
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Great point. Winning a darts tournament in your local pub is may be as significant as winning a gold medal in the Olympics in that case. The stats, viewers and money involved all indicate that winning Premier League is a far greater achievement than winning an All Ireland which is an amateur competition. I would even argue that winning the Scottish league is more impressive than an all Ireland medal, given that professionals play it.
You could argue that, given that it is your opinion.
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Padraig Harrington is the best sports person we have ever produced. For those of you with little to no interest in golf, just look up his achievements in 2007 and 2008 alone. He was the best player in the world, not on official rankings though - he was 3rd, but on form. He was playing unbelievable golf and won three majors in 12 months which won’t ever be done again by an Irish golfer. On top of his talent and achievements he’s an unbelievably nice man and a great ambassador for Ireland.

Roy Keane being nominated is a joke and is being heralded as the greatest by biased Man United fans. Keane wasn’t even the best player in the Man United team and wouldn’t be in the top 3 midfielders to play in the Premier League. That’s a fact.
Ah come on. You obviously aren’t a United fan. Personally, I hate Keane but he’s certainly in the conversation for greatest ever Irish sportsperson. He’s in there with Giles, Brady, O’Driscoll, Taylor and Harrington for me.

This is the problem with this debate and Keane specifically. There are so many agendas affecting people’s opinions that the debate is polarised and reasoned debate is hard to come by. From the OPs, “there is no debate, it’s Keane” to your opinion on the other end of the spectrum.

On Harrington, what he did was amazing but there are a couple of factors against him. It happened across a relatively short time frame, the greates golfer in the world wasn’t competing in some of those majors and I don’t agree that any other Irish golfer can’t do it. That said, I’d probably go for Harrington if I was pressed to name our greatest sports person.
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