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30-07-2020, 13:07   #526
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You're not wrong; but, as the argument goes, surely if they beat all the other lads who were equally doped to the eyeballs, surely they would still count as 'the best'?

Anyway, the number of dopers being caught in cycling versus other sports tells us more about the comparative levels of testing than it does about the levels of doping.
Maybe. But that's a vicious cycle ( pun ) imo. If everyone else is doing it and not being caught, you have to take them just to level the playing ground. So the amount of testing directly contribute to the amount of drug taking
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Wow

Paris is FRENCH first and foremost , then European . Anyone whose being to that city will find out very quickly . The French lead they do not follow

Belfast is British , baby , go to the city centre you will see quickly , then it European , and even then , the Brits were always aloof with Europe and its political organ

Europe is a continent , made up of different competing cultures and beliefs . It’s not a country

The thread isn’t about European sports people, it’s about IRISH sports men . (And the odd token woman )

McIllroy posted his colours to the mast several times , he was only Irish when in the US (money money money ) because of the huge Irish following and the US weirdness over Blighty (like ourselves) He’s a Brit

AP McCoy was happy enough to take the knight hood )the first jockey in donkeys years to revive it ) And BBC SPOTY which is only eligible for Brits , and spent most of his career in Blighty (Now one argument about the knight hood would be out of respect for Lizzy as she’s a huge patron and follower of horse racing )

Dunlop most certainly was a Brit in even sense of the word

Best , his family were orangemen , but they weren’t bigots . He’s drink with almost anyone

Barry McGuigan actually sought to be a Brit
You missed the point, baby
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The Tour de France is the most important race - by a considerable margin!

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And Lance Armstrong was the greatest of them all...

This statement demonstrates your particular lack of understanding in discussing the relative legacies of either Roche or Kelly; no-one with even a cursory interest in cycling would claim Armstrong was the greatest - he never won a Monument.
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If a Taylor is the winner it should be Dennis Taylor. Beat Steve Davis in the greatest comeback ever. Waiting for snooker is not a sport, he's a norrie answers
This is ALL hearsay but a woman , from Tyrone, told me that she was told how that final would end ( that DT would win)

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LOL at the Roy Keane votes. He never played in a European Cup final. He played in one World Cup and Phil Babb had a better tournament.

Giles, Brady, Whelan all outshone him on the European/World stage.

At least there is a good case for Sonia O'Sullivan.

Katie Taylor? Nah, that's like saying Joey Tribbiani is the greatest Italian-American sportsperson of all time for being the Fireball Champion of the World for 25 years when he only had to beat Chandler.

Cycling is too tainted.

Harrington in with a shout.
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explain how Giles and Brady outshone keane on European world stage

what did Giles / Brady win on European / World stage
think Keane has one less Irish cap and same amount of goals for Ireland
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31-07-2020, 12:47   #531
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I am sorry but when you abandon your home country to play for England (or any other country) for personal ambition and gain you cannot be classed or even discussed as one of the best "Irish Sports person ever". Nobody in Ireland really gives **** about cricket anyway except a few ex pats and Asian medics. It had a novelty factor during the 2007 WC.

And people criticise Roy Keane for apparently walking out on his country. Give me a break.

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How ? Is a new sport , it’s quite young . Zero competition . Need to wait 30-40 years to see what comes next

Understand what “greatest ever†means ?
So twenty years is not enough? Is that it? You cannot qualify if your sport is only twenty years?
It doesn't matter if you are the GOAT amateur and well on your way to being the GOAT professional in the sport?

I think you need to look a bit closer. Nobody from this country has ever dominated a sport like Katie Taylor. It doesn't matter if it's twenty years old or 100 years old, at the very top level it's extremely difficult. Katie Taylor first became World Champ at amateur level in 2006 and she's been on top pretty much ever since whether as an amateur or a pro boxer.

There's only a handful of people in all of sports who have been as successful as she has.

You can take points off for the age of the sport but she's still Ireland's greatest sportsperson for being so great for so long.
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explain how Giles and Brady outshone keane on European world stage

what did Giles / Brady win on European / World stage
think Keane has one less Irish cap and same amount of goals for Ireland
By showing up
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By showing up

You are just trolling.
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George best?
He isn't Irish
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He isn't Irish

What is he then?
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Il name a few who derserve a mention as they were successful in the big stage.

Roy Keane
Paul McGrath
Brian O Driscoll
Ronan O Gara
Katie Taylor
Conor Mc Gregor
Stephen Roche
Sean Kelly
Sam Bennett
Michael Crute
Michelle de Brun
Eddie Jordan

Should be in most lists.

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What is he then?
Northern Ireland. That yet isn't seen part of Ireland politically whether we like it or not.
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Northern Ireland

Still Irish. The clue is in the second word. Let's be generous and call him 'Northern Irish'.

There is nothing restricting the debate to 26 counties which is what you are inferring.
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