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27-07-2020, 18:36   #406
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Outside of Ireland/UK. I dont think many people would put Keane as one of the greatest 25 footballers of all time.[/QUOTE]
Depends on if they played against him or not I think he was the best player in midfield that ever lived
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27-07-2020, 19:42   #409
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Outside of Ireland/UK. I dont think many people would put Keane as one of the greatest 25 footballers of all time.
Depends on if they played against him or not I think he was the best player in midfield that ever lived[/quote]


And that is a typical attitude of people who primarily watch the premier league. In 2013, World Soccer ran a poll for the greatest 11 of all time. 74 Journalists from various countries took part, for midfield Keane got 1 vote.....the same amount as Liam Brady, mind still one more than the likes of Gerard, Lampard etc. 22 other MIdfield players got more votes than Keane including Xavi and Iniesta. As pointed out by others, Keane was never in the running for the Ballon d'r either so he clearly is not as highly rated outside of the premier league.

In cycling, there was a season long competition run between 1958 and 1987 to decide the best cyclist each year. Eddy Merckx 7, Bernard Hinault 4, Jacques Anquetil 4 were the most successful and are probably considered the 3 greatest of all time, maybe Fausto Coppi as well but he was before that competition . Sean Kelly won it 3 times and was 2nd twice. Ranked No 1 in the world for 7 consecutive years.

No comparison.

No comparison.
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That was a once off for Delaney, he didn't feature before or after
That s actually the point. He was a Sportsman, Won Olympic Gold, came home got on with his life without making a career out of it.

And he didn't sulk off home because the facilities weren't good enough for him, or jack himself up on steroids to win at all costs or assault anyone in a pub etc etc. To be fair great time for Sonia too but Olympic Gold is Olympic Gold
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Maybe I missed it but haven't seen Barry McGuigan or Steve Collins mentioned.
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In cycling, there was a season long competition run between 1958 and 1987 to decide the best cyclist each year. Eddy Merckx 7, Bernard Hinault 4, Jacques Anquetil 4 were the most successful and are probably considered the 3 greatest of all time, maybe Fausto Coppi as well but he was before that competition . Sean Kelly won it 3 times and was 2nd twice. Ranked No 1 in the world for 7 consecutive years.

No comparison.

No comparison.
This is a great call. One of the greatest cyclists of all time - no question.
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This is a great call. One of the greatest cyclists of all time - no question.
But cycling has a major cloud over the whole sport. It is a tough sport.
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As much as I think Steve Collins and Conor McGregor are both giant pricks, their achievements in their sports put both of them in the argument for sure.

Collins was WBO Middleweight champion, and moved up to take on Chris Eubank, beat him and won the Super Middleweight title when it was the best, most competitive division in the world.

He then successfully defended against Eubank, and defended it another six times, including against Nigel Benn twice.

McGregor, won titles in the top European Promotion in two weight divisions, signed with UFC, and tore through the Featherweight division, defeating previously undefeated for ten years Jose Aldo.

Then moved up in weight, and won the Lightweight title.

Sean Kelly is definitely in the top five and possibly number one. His achievements in cycling are ridiculous. The only black mark is he did have two positive tests for banned substances.

Harrington's achievements in golf seem to always be underrated. Very few golfers win one major, let alone three.

Keane is arguably the best footballer we've ever produced, and he's definitely up there in the argument.
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But cycling has a major cloud over the whole sport. It is a tough sport.
We could say that about many sports. It doesn't negate the fact Kelly is one of the greatest cyclists to ever get on a bike.

You'll nearly always see his name on lists of the top 10 cyclists of all time and often in top 5's too.

An absolute beast of a man.
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She didn't dominate her sport!

She was highly competitive in her sport - but domination is an entirely different thing.

Usain Bolt dominated his sport. 8 olympic gold medals, 11 world championship golds... holds the 100m world record (and has broken it 4 times), 200m world record... countless guinness world records etc. He's still only 33 and retired 3 or 4 years ago - many athletes are still competing at his age!

That's domination!

Sonia O'Sullivan was highly competitive and highly talented, but never quite fulfilled her huge potential at the highest level.
But we are talking in an Irish context.

Very very few Irish Sports People have done domination.

Sonia was at an extraordinary level of competition on a global level and been beaten by eastern block athletes and Chinese - we all know what that means.

She won medals at 16 major events at world and Euopean medals. The Irish go mad when we win anything - but Sonia suffered as she had bad Olympics by her standards - but was extraordinarily unlucky and cheated out of it too.

Rory a fantastic player and a character, fantastic energy and competitive edge. But I tend to think Irish overestimated the standard he played at. The English league was nowhere near where it is now. Would Keane even get in the great Arsenal team of the time.

Did he play with many World cup winners at his peak ? , did he win many European cups ?

Sonia for me.
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It's Roy Keane for the longevity of his domination at the top level. Katie Taylor is second because Roy Keane had to produce week in week out. To have to maintain that level of fitness, hunger and mentality for so long and often is an incredible feat.
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Outside of Ireland/UK. I dont think many people would put Keane as one of the greatest 25 footballers of all time.
I remember the German national manager during the time saying he wished Keane was German. Also Italian clubs were very interested in him.
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Brady went to Italy and excelled. does that make him a better player? I would not say that it does, but would say he was a more talented footballer.

but my vote goes to Sonia.
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What about this search of the internet?

The Ballon d'Or is an annual football award presented by French news magazine France Football, one of the oldest and generally regarded as the most prestigious individual award for football players.
It shows the top three players each year from 1956 to present.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or

... based on voting by football journalists, from 1956 to 2006.
After 2007, coaches and captains of national teams were also given the right to vote.
Originally, it was an award only for players from Europe and widely known as the European Footballer of the Year award.
In 1995, the Ballon d'Or was expanded to include all players from any origin that have been active at European clubs.
The award became a global prize in 2007 with all professional footballers from around the world being eligible.


But that is only the opinion of football journalists, national coaches and captains. (fwiw Gerrard came 3rd in 2005.)
Roy Keane played when the award was restricted to European players and he did not feature.
If it assessed world players from 1956 onwards he would have less chance.

Roy Keane was not in the 1,2,3 in any year.
Figo is on record to say that he only realised how good Keane was in 2001 when Portugal met in Dublin. Keane was excellent that day

Now bear in mind, both guys would have met in the underage tournaments and qualifiers and were around the same age. Both would have met in the CL over the years , and Keane definitely stood out in the UCL 1998/99 season (Zidane felt his boot )

Keane had a reputation that wouldn’t have endeared on the media ,outside Manchester and maybe most parts of England who would respect what he offered. Players on the receiving end of his insults and kicks wouldn’t - then again, he did get PFA POY and football writers poy in 2001 , a season And a bit after 1998/99

Inclined to agree with you, facts are facts , but Ballon Dor has made some questionable decisions eg regular presence of Beckham in the top 3
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