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Ethiopian Airlines Crash/ B737MAX grounding

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  • #2072
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Graham wrote: »
    No surprise there.

    Downturn in aviation, MOL calls Boeing sales. I'm on the way over lads. Drop the pants, assume the position.

    That's literally what he said after 911 when he mopped up cancelled boeings

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/the-language-of-business-1.1055252


  • #2073
    Fritzbox
    Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Fritzbox


    An interesting question would be, who has made the greatest financial loss over the last 6 months: Boeing or Ryanair?


  • #2074
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Fritzbox wrote: »
    An interesting question would be, who has made the greatest financial loss over the last 6 months: Boeing or Ryanair?

    If you strip out Boeings US Government subsidies (Military, Space etc. contracts) and look solely at their commercial aircraft business then Boeing by a landslide.


  • #2075
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Fritzbox wrote: »
    An interesting question would be, who has made the greatest financial loss over the last 6 months: Boeing or Ryanair?

    Well over 3 months April to June Boeing lost $2.4 Billion and Ryanair lost €185 Million


  • #2076
    W1ll1s
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭W1ll1s


    737 Max could be back in U.S. skies before end of year.

    https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/266558230/737-max-could-be-back-in-us-skies-before-end-of-year


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  • #2077
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    W1ll1s wrote: »
    737 Max could be back in U.S. skies before end of year.

    https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/266558230/737-max-could-be-back-in-us-skies-before-end-of-year

    I dislike the FAA declining to publicly release all test protocol parameters and data, citing that pile of oft resorted to pile of sh1t called 'commercially sensitive' or 'proprietary'.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918924566/i-like-what-i-see-faa-chief-flies-737-max-but-not-ready-to-recertify-plane?t=1601901375637


  • #2078
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    W1ll1s wrote: »
    737 Max could be back in U.S. skies before end of year.

    https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/266558230/737-max-could-be-back-in-us-skies-before-end-of-year

    E.U approval before year end also I read somewhere?


  • #2079
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,822 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Whatever about the FAA, can't see how in the current climate EASA can justify grandfathering in a manual trim system that basically doesn't work.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • #2080
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-16/boeing-max-declared-safe-to-fly-by-europe-s-aviation-regulator

    EASA says Max is safe to fly.


  • #2081
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That's good, the US can let go of their arm now and stop wrenching it up their back. Trade war averted.


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  • #2082
    Fritzbox
    Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Fritzbox


    cnocbui wrote: »
    That's good, the US can let go of their arm now and stop wrenching it up their back. Trade war averted.

    A trade war between whom?

    Nice to see the MAX will be back in service soon.


  • #2083
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-16/boeing-max-declared-safe-to-fly-by-europe-s-aviation-regulator

    EASA says Max is safe to fly.

    Hopefully will see the Max return to flight by year end, if not back into service...may boost some Airlines routes by saving fuel over running older 737's...


  • #2084
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Fritzbox wrote: »
    A trade war between whom?

    Nice to see the MAX will be back in service soon.

    The slow-burn one between the US and EU. If EISA had refused certification, particularly given the big lose for Boeing with the latest WTO ruling, and if Trump were reelected, he would be back to stoking the fires quick smart and claiming it was unfair.


  • #2085
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The slow-burn one between the US and EU. If EISA had refused certification, particularly given the big lose for Boeing with the latest WTO ruling, and if Trump were reelected, he would be back to stoking the fires quick smart and claiming it was unfair.

    OT I know, but if Trump gets reelected, he'll find another excuse for his trade war.


  • #2086
    ElNino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭ElNino


    Ryanair to begin operating the Max in February according to one aviation journalist

    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1321457624076951557


  • #2087
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ElNino wrote: »
    Ryanair to begin operating the Max in February according to one aviation journalist

    Yeah, they'll start one up, take it out onto a large, empty bit of apron, rev it up; do a few donuts and burn outs, shouting weeeeee, then take it back to the terminal and try and remember what passengers looked like.


  • #2088
    Damien360
    Registered Users Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭Damien360


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Yeah, they'll start one up, take it out onto a large, empty bit of apron, rev it up; do a few donuts and burn outs, shouting weeeeee, then take it back to the terminal and try and remember what passengers looked like.

    Not a lot going to be happening in February. But, if things come back to normal for the summer (fingers crossed, prayers etc) then I can see a roaring trade in holidays abroad as people missed this year's trip. Ryanair will put on cheap tickets and they will be snapped up.

    The general public really don't know and don't care what type of plane gets them to the destination.

    In a fast moving world, sadly these Max crashes are old news for all but a limited number of aviation enthusiasts.


  • #2089
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    ElNino wrote: »
    Ryanair to begin operating the Max in February according to one aviation journalist

    That should be interesting, I guess they'll have more of their pilots do test flights or short runs to London and the engineers used to the new aircraft... Hopefully there's some sort of system in place at airports to get people flying again and routes up and running... Should help keep prices down when using the more efficient aircraft...


  • #2090
    billie1b
    Registered Users Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭billie1b


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    That should be interesting, I guess they'll have more of their pilots do test flights or short runs to London and the engineers used to the new aircraft... Hopefully there's some sort of system in place at airports to get people flying again and routes up and running... Should help keep prices down when using the more efficient aircraft...

    The majority of the first deliveries are going to Buzz in Poland, (that’s the plan) Ireland and the UK will most likely see them on delivery flights.


  • #2091
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    billie1b wrote: »
    The majority of the first deliveries are going to Buzz in Poland, (that’s the plan) Ireland and the UK will most likely see them on delivery flights.

    I'd say a few will be based at STN also with the traditional branding....




    https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/status/1208995249487368192


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  • #2092
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Damien360 wrote: »
    Not a lot going to be happening in February. But, if things come back to normal for the summer (fingers crossed, prayers etc) then I can see a roaring trade in holidays abroad as people missed this year's trip. Ryanair will put on cheap tickets and they will be snapped up.

    The general public really don't know and don't care what type of plane gets them to the destination.

    In a fast moving world, sadly these Max crashes are old news for all but a limited number of aviation enthusiasts.

    I think that comment is a little disingenuous.

    FAA will have to watch the reintroduction like a hawk, and they will be on top of anything that is not normal operation, even if it's not reportable as such, given how badly they have dealt with the earlier issues.

    I would like to hope that EASA will also be very vigilant in ensuring that any unusual events have to be reported to them, with appropriate follow up, given that there are still unresolved issues around some of the grandfather rights that have been used to get this airframe in the air.

    It's been clear that if this design had been presented as a new design for certification, it would not have been approved, so it's important that the relevant regulators keep a very close and visible monitor on the reintroduction.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #2093
    jucylucy
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭jucylucy


    Looks like it’s cleared in the US:
    Pinned Tweet

    The FAA Airplane
    @FAANews
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    18m
    The FAA ungrounds the #737MAX. Read the statement and additional information at http://bit.ly/2KlgcNd. #737MAXungrounded


  • #2094
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Yeap, Boeing can resume deliveries now and U.S customers can fly them, wonder how long before EASA follows suit....


    https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1329042312559779841


  • #2095
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    recently approved tariffs complicate matters for sales in to EU.


  • #2096
    Blut2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Blut2


    VRU2IuH.jpg

    The order book had taken a hammering even by July of this year. I'd be very curious to see where its at by the end of March 2021 after another 8 months of a fairly dead aviation market. A lot of airlines must be very thankful to have the option to cancel their order without penalty thanks to the 20 months of delays.


  • #2097
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    The FAA may well be allowing them to fly, I will not be holding my breath on EASA falling in line with that just yet, and they may well require some more specific changes that the FAA have chosen to ignore for now.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #2098
    Fritzbox
    Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Fritzbox


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    The FAA may well be allowing them to fly, I will not be holding my breath on EASA falling in line with that just yet, and they may well require some more specific changes that the FAA have chosen to ignore for now.

    I'm pretty sure that EASA have already given the MAX the go-ahead for return to service. What about the Canadian regulator, have they made a decision yet?


  • #2099
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭john boye


    Fritzbox wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that EASA have already given the MAX the go-ahead for return to service. What about the Canadian regulator, have they made a decision yet?

    I think EASA have only issued a timeline for its return but haven't cleared it yet, as such. But I'm sure they will in due course.


  • #2100
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Blut2 wrote: »
    The order book had taken a hammering even by July of this year. I'd be very curious to see where its at by the end of March 2021 after another 8 months of a fairly dead aviation market. A lot of airlines must be very thankful to have the option to cancel their order without penalty thanks to the 20 months of delays.

    Well, I'd say the likes of Southwest and Ryanair will be keen to get the Max into the fleet as soon as possible, get the pilots and engineers used to the aircraft and then replace their older NG's....


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  • #2101
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Well, I'd say the likes of Southwest and Ryanair will be keen to get the Max into the fleet as soon as possible, get the pilots and engineers used to the aircraft and then replace their older NG's....
    visit Leeham news to read reports this week regarding the complications associated with tariffs for European operators irrespective of whether the plane is certified for Europe or not.


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