Point Village Shopping Centre

cgcsb · 22-09-2015 12:29pm

quality office space in Dublin is a scarce resource, especially if you want a significant floor plate.

beauf · 22-09-2015 2:25pm

And yet there are still empty offices, retail units and derelict sites all over the area. Much of which has been empty since the ctiger days. With this in mind, its just seems odd to squeeze a major office block on very constrained site, right at the centre of an existing major traffic bottle neck. Any incident of any kinda in the immediate vicinity causes grid lock through the city. Its also a very busy location when any event is one.

Perhaps you are right and there are major tenants lined up for a huge car less office space at this location. Certainly its been commented before that the demand (all over) is for really big offices rather than small to medium spaces.

neris · 22-09-2015 5:24pm

beauf wrote: »

And yet there are still empty offices, retail units and derelict sites all over the area. Much of which has been empty since the ctiger days. With this in mind, its just seems odd to squeeze a major office block on very constrained site, right at the centre of an existing major traffic bottle neck

As was said theres a lack of large floor spaced offices and this is one of the last areas very close to the city centre/airport access/business district that has large undeveloped sites. A large multinational comes over they dont want 2 or 3 small office blocks next door to each other they want 1 accessible building. Maybe a bit on the extreme side but look at google with their 3 buildings and bridges

L1011 · 22-09-2015 7:24pm

beauf wrote: »

And yet there are still empty offices, retail units and derelict sites all over the area.

Around Point Village, office space wise there is:

A small, narrow multi-floor unit in one of the Castleforbes blocks on Sheriff Street - not really suited for most modern business use.

Some floors in Castleforbes House - small floor plates

Two floors in the Point Village itself - these have decent floor plates

That's pretty much it.

Retail wise, there's more than will ever be needed but that's the planning rules for you.

Wurzelbert · 28-09-2015 8:17pm

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Except it's pretty darned fugly. Could we not get a better designed tall building?

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-tallest-office-building-2330947-Sep2015/

Second picture, looks like a giant wall to keep out invaders as they sail up the Liffey!

And it's not tall enough, pretty sure it can go to 80-odd metres down that part of the docks

that planned high rise is totally out of place and out of proportion for dublin…people need to realise that dublin is by nature a horizontal city like paris or munich, and high-rise just does not suit dublin, plus it is so 20th century somehow…

L1011 · 28-09-2015 8:20pm

Wurzelbert wrote: »

that planned high rise is totally out of place and out of proportion for dublin…people need to realise that dublin is by nature a horizontal city like paris or munich, and high-rise just does not suit dublin, plus it is so 20th century somehow…

Your attitude is the one that needs changing here.

We cannot continue pushing the city out, we've already basically ruined the M50 as a bypass due to sprawl. There is absolutely no cogent reasons for refusing high rise buildings in Dublin

If anything, that site needs a building 10 to 15 metres taller.

ongarboy · 29-09-2015 1:53pm

Wurzelbert wrote: »

that planned high rise is totally out of place and out of proportion for dublin…people need to realise that dublin is by nature a horizontal city like paris or munich, and high-rise just does not suit dublin, plus it is so 20th century somehow…

I'm guessing you don't endure a 2 hour commute each way into the centre because land/space for pent up and affordable housing needs is non existent. Agreed, that areas around the Georgian/historical/heritage quarters of the city should remain as is intact without high rise development but brownfield sites like the former Docks is a perfect place for such high density proposals.

MagicMarker · 29-09-2015 1:57pm

Wurzelbert wrote: »

that planned high rise is totally out of place and out of proportion for dublin…people need to realise that dublin is by nature a horizontal city like paris or munich, and high-rise just does not suit dublin, plus it is so 20th century somehow…

Peregrine · 29-09-2015 2:05pm

Munich is no La Defense but they, too, have a few buildings around and over 100m.

Wurzelbert · 29-09-2015 2:20pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

yes, and you think la défense looks good? a typical 60s/70s idea, but at least it’s outside the inner city, and paris is a huge and truly cosmopolitan city, very much in contrast to dublin…
highrise needs to be concentrated in a defined area if it is to work aesthetically and all…the plans for dublin will just make the place look like a set of broken teeth with totally detached and out-of-proportion towers here and there…bad enough with liberty hall and some others already…

Peregrine · 29-09-2015 2:25pm

Wurzelbert wrote: »

yes, and you think la défense looks good? a typical 60s/70s idea, but at least it’s outside the inner city, and paris is a huge and truly cosmopolitan city, very much in contrast to dublin…
highrise needs to be concentrated in a defined area if it is to work aesthetically and all…the plans for dublin will just make the place look like a set of broken teeth with totally detached and out-of-proportion towers here and there…bad enough with liberty hall and some others already…

Concentrated in a defined area such as the docklands in a special development zone?

Give it over, you've just shown that you don't know anything about the examples you gave and the 'plans for Dublin'.

I do think you have one point. At the moment, only Capital Dock and this tower at Point Village will be allowed to even resemble highrise. We need looser restrictions on height in the docklands. Far too many sites are rectricted to 6-7 storeys.

Wurzelbert · 29-09-2015 2:31pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Concentrated in a defined area such as the docklands in a special development zone?

Give it over, you've just shown that you don't know anything about the examples you gave and the 'plans for Dublin'.
[...]

believe me i know munich and i have been to paris and know the debate around highrise there…as for the plans for dublin’s docklands, i don’t know too much indeed, where would that special development zone in the docklands be? are they planning to flatten the 3 arena and everything around it or move dublin port out to sea?

Wurzelbert · 29-09-2015 2:41pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Concentrated in a defined area such as the docklands in a special development zone?

Give it over, you've just shown that you don't know anything about the examples you gave and the 'plans for Dublin'.

I do think you have one point. At the moment, only Capital Dock and this tower at Point Village will be allowed to even resemble highrise. We need looser restrictions on height in the docklands. Far too many sites are rectricted to 6-7 storeys.

but yes, i understand….if dubliners want highrise, why not…i just think the whole race for height is very 20th century and in many cases leads to soulless and ugly monstrosities…

subpar · 30-09-2015 1:30pm

Further news today regarding developments at the Point Village.

A planning application was lodged last week to construct a new road linking North Wall Quay and Upper Sheriff St. The construction of the road involves the demolition of old disused warehouses on north wall / mayor st . / upper sheriff st. The line of the new road runs north/south and runs parallel with the office of Madden Property on the eastern side of the liffey trust building. Bulding is expected to start within months

Also today a planning application was lodged to build 2 new building blocks of 8 stories high for student accommodation. These new blocks will be positioned in the area north of the luas line and upper sheriff st and between the new blocks of Castleforbes square and the Gibson Hotel.

The above developments will greatly improve pedestrian and vehicular access in the area and will increase the establishment of retail and leisure outlets to service those living in the student accommodation.

L1011 · 30-09-2015 1:58pm

Wurzelbert wrote: »

but yes, i understand….if dubliners want highrise, why not…i just think the whole race for height is very 20th century and in many cases leads to soulless and ugly monstrosities…

The "no, we can't have tall buildings!" wails are very mid 20th century, and always lead to soulless urban sprawl and the associated problems (car dependency, difficulties providing services, etc) that brings

Your choice.

traprunner · 30-09-2015 2:07pm

subpar wrote: »

Also today a planning application was lodged to build 2 new building blocks of 8 stories high for student accommodation. These new blocks will be positioned in the area north of the luas line and upper sheriff st and between the new blocks of Castleforbes square and the Gibson Hotel.

http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/dublin-point-village-set-for-biggest-ever-offcampus-student-accommodation-development-31570647.html

Wurzelbert · 30-09-2015 2:10pm

traprunner wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/dublin-point-village-set-for-biggest-ever-offcampus-student-accommodation-development-31570647.html

interesting…sure the charcoal bar could use some extra business…

beauf · 30-09-2015 2:18pm

subpar wrote: »

...A planning application was lodged last week to construct a new road linking North Wall Quay and Upper Sheriff St. ....

....The above developments will greatly improve pedestrian and vehicular access in the area and will increase the establishment of retail and leisure outlets to service those living in the student accommodation.

Hopefully they'll fix the dire surface of Castleforbes Rd, at the same time.

subpar · 01-10-2015 8:23am

More news in todays papers

NTMA moving to North Docklands

The National Treasury Management Agency has chosen a site on Dublin’s North Wall Quay, next to the new headquarters of the Central Bank, as the preferred option for its new headquarters.
The NTMA signalled recently that it was examining moving from its existing offices in the Treasury Building in Grand Canal Street and now looks set to move over the Liffey.
The NTMA shortlisted four possible venues, following a recent premises review. It has chosen the North Wall Quay Project Wave site, The Irish Times understands. Preliminary negotiations with the developer are due to begin shortly to see if an agreement can be reached. If a deal is struck, the NTMA – which also includes Nama, the NDFA and the National Claims Agency – would move to the new premises in late 2018.
The Project Wave site, on 2.25 hectares, was sold by Nama last December to a consortium led by Singapore property company Oxley and also including Sean Mulryan’s Ballymore Properties. Planning permission has been recently lodged for a major development on the site, including 50,000sq m of office and commercial space and 250 apartments, which will be backed by Nama. Nama will retain freehold on the site.
The development will be a major boost to the north docks area, extending the existing development down towards the mouth of the Liffey.

subpar · 23-10-2015 12:01pm

Dublin Port secures €100m EIB loan for redevelopment project.

More good news from todays Irish Times

LeeroyJ. · 15-11-2015 3:39am

Just Walked by, There is a starbucks inside the centre now. crazy

LeeroyJ. · 16-11-2015 11:24am

Next Shop in is supposed to be a Pizza Hut according to Starbucks staff in the Point Village.

bloominballix · 16-11-2015 2:25pm

I wonder if the Odeon will allow you in with a Starbucks coffee?

Wurzelbert · 18-11-2015 2:15pm

do we know what the final or latest plan for the point village looks like? are we still talking about that slim high-rise on the narrow space to the east of the 3 arena? how tall now?

subpar · 18-11-2015 2:38pm

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD0QFjAGOApqFQoTCMWqu8CLmskCFUu2Ggodk1YBJg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buildinginfo.ie%2Fe38m-exo-office-building-point-village-dublin%2F&usg=AFQjCNFRJq3zN2vNc5uANhAaVRHhX2AWzw

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBwQFjAAahUKEwig45u_jJrJAhWDORoKHdvxBgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fmajor-development-planned-on-dublin-docklands-site-1.2321347&usg=AFQjCNHTYOu6x7FPlOaOlxc8QuEqwEIxKg

subpar · 26-11-2015 10:24pm

Dunnes blasted by High Court .

Could this have implications for the Point Village

In June 2007, Dunnes entered into a development agreement with a Deerland company called Holtglen, and agreed to pay €37.5m for the construction of the anchor store at Ferrybank.

In 2009, Holtglen said practical completion of the store had been achieved and Dunnes then had 20 weeks to fit it out.

But the retailer, headed by Margaret Heffernan and Frank Dunne, disputed the claim that completion had been achieved.

As the disagreement continued, in 2012 the High Court upheld an arbitrator's decision that Holtglen was entitled to a €20m payment from Dunnes.

The retailer failed to pay, and in 2012 Holtglen issued proceedings to have Dunnes wound up.

Dunnes paid the amount due on the eve of the court hearing to hear that petition.

But the spat between Dunnes and Deerland, which is owned by businessman Derry McPhilips, rumbled on. Deerland's and Holtglen's loans are held by NAMA.

In 2013, Deerland applied to Kilkenny County Council for retention of six items including four windows that are part of the anchor store at Ferrybank and which were installed at the request of Dunnes.

The retailer then declined to consent to the inclusion of the four windows.

While the council approved retention, Dunnes appealed that, but An Bord Plenala upheld the decision.

In February this year, Dunnes then began a judicial review of the An Bord Pleanala decision.

"This is a judicial review of the granting of retention permission where the party that has brought the application (Dunnes) has no issue with the substance of the adjustments to which that permission relates," said Justice Barrett.

"That must be something of a first, so far as planning-related judicial review applications are concerned."

He said that Dunnes' true aim in bringing the proceedings was to enable it to "delay or avoid compliance with its contractual obligations" at the Ferrybank store.

Justice Barrett dismissed the proceedings by Dunnes as involving an abuse of process.

Indo Business

L1011 · 26-11-2015 10:44pm

Dunnes have to go in after 6 more shops I believe - they could easily try another court case though.

cson · 27-11-2015 12:12am

They'd probably actually do alright if they sized it accordingly. There's a lot of potential footfall for a supermarket there and a lot of people living in that area. Think Aldi on East Wall is the closest?

Has to be a rent issue though tied to the contract, Dunnes could make that pay if they wanted I'd say.

subpar · 13-12-2015 5:06pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6OncxfUewQ

Video clip of how the area in and around the Point Village will look in 2 years time. The first 1/3 covers the proposed changes for Bolands Mill.

Khuitlio · 02-02-2016 11:01pm

Any update on store openings?

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