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Woman convicted for false rape allegation against 12 men in Cyprus (Overturned in Jan22)

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    #32
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    But the accused were found not guilty, so as far as the court was concerned it wasn’t proven that the alleged incident actually occurred.

    Some people here have a hard time wrapping their tiny brains around a “not guilty” verdict - you can spot them a mile off how they talk about Jackson now.


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    #33
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Ronin247 wrote: »
    One of them proved he wasn't even there.... but don't let the truth get in the way.
    There is a video of it i am not surprised he could prove it!


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    #34
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    They are not exactly snow white.
    One of the lads was in bed with his girlfriend at the time of the said "rape".

    Who said that they had filmed her? Was it her?


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    #35
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    the_syco wrote: »
    One of the lads was in bed with his girlfriend at the time of the said "rape".

    Who said that they had filmed her? Was it her?

    Reading between the lines, it seems she was a bit promiscuous on holiday. She didn't want her parents knowing she was somewhat of a slut riding 3 men and worried about the photos/vids leaking.

    So decided to make a false rape claim. She was apparently encouraged to make the claim by a friend.


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    #36
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Sonny noggs wrote:
    But the accused were found not guilty, so as far as the court was concerned it wasn’t proven that the alleged incident actually occurred.

    If the DPP believes that she lied & brought false allegations then they would have charged her. In the Jackson case everyone was so drunk that none of their stories tallied. The jury had reasonable doubt.

    You do realise that it's entirely possible for the claimant to believe that she didn't give consent & for the defendant to believe that he did have consent. The defendants apologised to the clainant after the case for the misunderstanding.


    In the Jackson case no one, not even the defendants, has ever suggested that she lied.

    In the case for this thread the girl lied about everything. One of guys she accused was in bed with his girlfriend at the time. Luckily for him they took a time stamped selfy while in bed.

    These cases have absolutely nothing in common


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    #37
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    If the DPP believes that she lied & brought false allegations then they would have charged her. In the Jackson case everyone was so drunk that none of their stories tallied. The jury had reasonable doubt.

    You do realise that it's entirely possible for the claimant to believe that she didn't give consent & for the defendant to believe that he did have consent. The defendants apologised to the clainant after the case for the misunderstanding.


    In the Jackson case no one, not even the defendants, has ever suggested that she lied.

    In the case for this thread the girl lied about everything. One of guys she accused was in bed with his girlfriend at the time. Luckily for him they took a time stamped selfy while in bed.

    These cases have absolutely nothing in common

    No idea why you responded to my post.


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    #38
    The Specialist
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    If the DPP believes that she lied & brought false allegations then they would have charged her. In the Jackson case everyone was so drunk that none of their stories tallied. The jury had reasonable doubt.

    You do realise that it's entirely possible for the claimant to believe that she didn't give consent & for the defendant to believe that he did have consent. The defendants apologised to the clainant after the case for the misunderstanding.


    In the Jackson case no one, not even the defendants, has ever suggested that she lied.

    In the case for this thread the girl lied about everything. One of guys she accused was in bed with his girlfriend at the time. Luckily for him they took a time stamped selfy while in bed.

    These cases have absolutely nothing in common

    A lie is a lie and one that has been decided as not guilty in front of a judge and jury is a ****ing lie. Stop your “what if” bull****.


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    #39
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    No idea why you responded to my post.




    My Comment
    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Must be a different paddy Jackson case that I read about. The one in Ireland didn't have any false allegations. There was never any suggestion that she made it up.


    Your reply
    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    But the accused were found not guilty, so as far as the court was concerned it wasn’t proven that the alleged incident actually occurred.


    I responded because one case has nothing to do with the other. There are no similarities between the cases at all


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    #40
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    My Comment



    Your reply




    I responded because one case has nothing to do with the other. There are no similarities between the cases at all

    Fair enough. The allegations weren’t proven, so they could be deemed to have been false. Whether she lied or misremembered or imagined or whatever, the incident didn’t happen as she claimed it did.


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    #41
    Sham Squire
    Registered Users Posts: 499 ✭✭Sham Squire


    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...


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    #42
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Sham Squire wrote: »
    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...

    you should be even more outraged at the false claims since theyve led to that scenario.


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    #43
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Sham Squire wrote: »
    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...

    This is about false accusations - stop muddying the water and deflecting from it.


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    #44
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Sonny noggs wrote:
    Fair enough. The allegations weren’t proven, so they could be deemed to have been false. Whether she lied or misremembered or imagined or whatever, the incident didn’t happen as she claimed it did.


    That's not a true statement & that is not what the not guilty verdict means. The jury had reasonable doubt. Everyone had a different story. No two stories matched. The jury had to have reasonable doubt. This does not mean that the claimants testimony was false, a lie or misremembered. The not guilty verdict does not mean that she lied nor does it mean she didn't lie.

    Below is a statement from Paddy Johnson

    “I am ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state,†he said.

    “This was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening.â€


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    #45
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    That's not a true statement & that is not what the not guilty verdict means. The jury had reasonable doubt. Everyone had a different story. No two stories matched. The jury had to have reasonable doubt. This does not mean that the claimants testimony was false, a lie or misremembered. The not guilty verdict does not mean that she lied nor does it mean she didn't lie.

    Below is a statement from Paddy Johnson

    “I am ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state,†he said.

    “This was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening.â€

    You are misinterpreting and misrepresenting the intent of his apology.

    Ultimately the jury didn’t accept her claims, and they were found not guilty. You can use semantics to claim whatever you want, the incident didn’t occur as she claimed. End of story.


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    #46
    bloodless_coup
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    Sham Squire wrote: »
    I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity.

    So getting banged by up to 12 guys at once means she's not a slut?

    Why do women think this kind of degeneracy is acceptable?


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    #47
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,272 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Sham Squire wrote: »
    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...

    Well go start a thread about that then.

    You might be whistling a different tune if it happened to yourself, those mens lives could have been ruined.


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    #48
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    the incident didn’t occur as she claimed.

    How could you possibly know this?


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    #49
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    How could you possibly know this?

    I accept the jury’s verdict. You clearly don’t.


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    #50
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    doylefe wrote: »
    So getting banged by up to 12 guys at once means she's not a slut?

    Why do women think this kind of degeneracy is acceptable?

    Because the left's culture war tells women that it's okay. Be just as degenerate as men.

    One of the reasons why women are increasingly unhappy even in the most free societies, is because they've been sold this lie about not needing any man, not needing marriage or kids. Just go out and shag and be who you want to be.

    So they end up alone in their 30's and 40's destined to become cat ladies and desperately unhappy.

    It goes against basic biology. Women for the most part are meant to be choosy, are meant to marry/pair off and meant to have kids. That's what makes them fulfilled.


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    #51
    TCM
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    hetuzozaho wrote:
    How could you possibly know this?

    Check the online media.


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    #52
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    NKante wrote: »
    doylefe wrote: »
    So getting banged by up to 12 guys at once means she's not a slut?

    Why do women think this kind of degeneracy is acceptable?

    Because the left's culture war tells women that it's okay. Be just as degenerate as men.

    One of the reasons why women are increasingly unhappy even in the most free societies, is because they've been sold this lie about not needing any man, not needing marriage or kids. Just go out and shag and be who you want to be.

    So they end up alone in their 30's and 40's destined to become cat ladies and desperately unhappy.

    It goes against basic biology. Women for the most part are meant to be choosy, are meant to marry/pair off and meant to have kids. That's what makes them fulfilled.
    Well if people with your views are the alternative I will have the cats thanks.


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    #53
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    This is a really horrible case and goes to show nobody should be named before being found guilty. This is the situation in ireland and it should be in every country so that you cannot get your life ruined by a false accusation.

    As well as ruining an inocent man's life it makes it much harder for those who are genuine.


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    #54
    antix80
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    It seems this delightful 19 year old northerner (of England) was randy and wanted group sex with boys aged 16-18.

    She stumbled back to her mates sans panties and stinking of sweat and semen, had a serious case of buyers remorse, and filed a police report to say she was raped.

    The men had identical accounts of the incident and video evidence proving their innocence.
    Meanwhile Investigators became suspicious when she changed her story and eventually arrested her for criminal mischief, wasting police time etc

    It has some similarities to the paddy Jackson case.... In that he is also innocent until proven guilty and he wasn't proven guilty. And his accuser also likely wanted sex when she was drunk and horny, but cried rape when she regretted it the next day and was afraid her friends would see footage of her getting ploughed by several men in the one sitting.

    I strongly suggest women avoid such situations until they're emotionally mature enough to accept responsibility for their actions. Stop blaming alcohol and stop blaming men.


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    #55
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    doylefe wrote: »
    So getting banged by up to 12 guys at once means she's not a slut?

    Why do women think this kind of degeneracy is acceptable?

    Equality. Feminists have fought tooth and nail like tigers for 60 years and more so that a woman can have as much sex with as many men as she likes and not be referred to in derogatory terms or thought badly of.
    As you can see, it’s a huge success and a cause for celebration.


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    #56
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    I accept the jury’s verdict. You clearly don’t.

    I do accept it.

    but you said "the incident didn’t occur as she claimed."

    Just saying you don't know that.


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    #57
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    doylefe wrote: »
    So getting banged by up to 12 guys at once means she's not a slut?

    Why do women think this kind of degeneracy is acceptable?

    Equality. Feminists have fought tooth and nail like tigers for 60 years and more so that a woman can have as much sex with as many men as she likes and not be referred to in derogatory terms or thought badly of.
    As you can see, it’s a huge success and a cause for celebration.
    Yes that's the primary aim of feminism. Shagging men.


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    #58
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Well if people with your views are the alternative I will have the cats thanks.

    It's biology. I still believe in the sciences, even if the left don't (like their insistence men are women and women are men :rolleyes:)


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    #59
    Sleeper12
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    Sonny noggs wrote:
    Ultimately the jury didn’t accept her claims, and they were found not guilty. You can use semantics to claim whatever you want, the incident didn’t occur as she claimed. End of story.

    Yes they were found not guilty but that doesn't mean that she lied. Of course it could have occurred as she claimed & there could be a not guilty verdict. It is possible that she didn't lie & it's possible that the lads didn't lie. If you followed the story then you would know that both sides probably told the truth. She didn't say no. She froze. The lads assumed consent & she didn't resist or say no.

    I can't stress this enough, a not guilty verdict means that they were found not guilty. It does NOT mean that the claimant lied. This goes for all cases. If a not guilty verdict automatically means that the claimant lied then the DPP would have to automatically prosecute the claimant. This does not happen because not guilty does not mean claimant lied.

    It's very wrong of you to claim that a claimant lied in court when there is absolutely no evidence pointing to this. The lads publicly apologised for the misunderstanding


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    #60
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Well if people with your views are the alternative I will have the cats thanks.

    Everything about the left is a race to the bottom (pardon the pun).
    It’s never about being the best you can be, it’s about “freedom” and “choice”.
    Free to debase yourself in as many ways as you can topped off with the choice to dispense with any consequences.


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    #61
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Yes they were found not guilty but that doesn't mean that she lied. Of course it could have occurred as she claimed & there could be a not guilty verdict. It is possible that she didn't lie & it's possible that the lads didn't lie. If you followed the story then you would know that both sides probably told the truth. She didn't say no. She froze. The lads assumed consent & she didn't resist or say no.

    I can't stress this enough, a not guilty verdict means that they were found not guilty. It does NOT mean that the claimant lied. This goes for all cases. If a not guilty verdict automatically means that the claimant lied then the DPP would have to automatically prosecute the claimant. This does not happen because not guilty does not mean claimant lied.

    It's very wrong of you to claim that a claimant lied in court when there is absolutely no evidence pointing to this. The lads publicly apologised for the misunderstanding

    there is no evidence to suggest that and never has been, no idea why youre putting it back on the lads.


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