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04-04-2019, 11:17   #31
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You have to first put humans into context.

Humans recorded their history orally through stories. Stories were used to pass down information on families, regions and humans in general through generation after generation.
Stories were used to educate people and warn of dangers.

The bible, and other holy books from that time are a collection of such fables. An effort to collect together stories to educate people on how they might live a better life.

It’s not a factual history text.
really?
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It’s not a factual history text.
It's not, and wasn't seen so for centuries, because the Catholic Church was seen as the final authority on issues of religion and morality, not the Bible itself. The tradition of biblical literalism emerged after the Reformation, and now it's commonplace among Christian fundamentalists to claim that if it's in the Bible, it must be true.
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Probably not. The first gospel (Mark's) was written an estimated 40 years after the death of Jesus, and the last (John's) about 60 to 70 years after. It's generally accepted that the authors relied for their sources on stories that had been passed down orally about Jesus, rather than their own personal experience.
MAtthew, John and possibly mark ( for parts) were eyewitnesses.
Luke spoke to eyewitnesses.

James and jude(the brothers of Jesus wrote a letter each. Peter(an eyewitness) wrote 2 letters. Paul wrote most of the rest. Hebrews we was anonymous but accepted as part of the new testament.
The Old testament was written by an Egyptian prince(former slave). Shepherd's, royal advisors and a host of others.
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MAtthew, John and possibly mark ( for parts) were eyewitnesses.
Luke spoke to eyewitnesses.

James and jude(the brothers of Jesus wrote a letter each. Peter(an eyewitness) wrote 2 letters. Paul wrote most of the rest. Hebrews we was anonymous but accepted as part of the new testament.
The Old testament was written by an Egyptian prince(former slave). Shepherd's, royal advisors and a host of others.
Eyewitnesses to what ?
A person who could capture an audience and recant fables to put across a point on morality. I don’t think there were any eyewitness to water into wine etc etc.

And I’m not just religion bashing.
I think religion has an overall positive influence on society providing it’s not let run wild with power and ruin people’s lives.

Many people have poor parenting skills and religion is a tool of sorts to help install at least some moral guidance in children.
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The silk road by Peter Frankopan has a really fascinating bit about the spread of Christianity and how images of floods, sacrifice, plagues of the locus, etc all became common imagery in the culture of Europe because of the spread of Christianity even though they were not common occurrences in Northern Europe.
Yea, probably the most logical interpretation on the origination of religion, also similar explanation in another book, think it might the rational optimist
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It's about as real as a Roald Dahl book.
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A load of monks off their head on drugs
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A load of monks off their head on drugs
much more sinister than that

there's money in fairy tales and crowd control
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To quote 50, "Many, many, many, many men"
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MAtthew, John and possibly mark ( for parts) were eyewitnesses.
And what's your evidence for that claim?
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A load of monks off their head on drugs
It's like the antiquity version of modern pot heads talking ****e to each other and one of them saying;


"Brethren, we shouldst writeth this down!"

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think it was written on the basis of 'We'll have none of that here'
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In 2019, Hollywood studios make $100m blockbusters depicting superheroes doing all kinds of miraculous stuff in order to amaze the masses.....

In 119AD, peasants in the middle east wrote about superheroes doing all kinds of miraculous stuff to amaze the masses.....
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They could hardly whip out a biro and quote JC word for word could they ? It was hammers,chisels and a nice flat bit of stone back then so shorthand was out of the question too. I think I have been sold a pup all along.....?
1) It wasn't hammers and chisels. This was all within the literate historical age. The Roman era. Jews were literate, of course, before the Roman era.

2) Nobody really says that the writers of the gospels were eye witnesses anymore, if they ever did.
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It's about as real as a Roald Dahl book.
His autobiographies
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