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21-12-2013, 21:14   #31
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Yes that is for current staff but for new 4 day drivers I don't know if it will be the same also afair the last time they had 4 day drivers there was no overtime paid for working nitelinks as your days work.
The new entrants may be rostered for Nitelink Duty as part of their normal working week,however as they will be working a mixture of Thurs-Sun and Fri-Mon this will be a moveable feast.

Incidentally,the settlement agreement states that ALL of the roster/rota changes WILL be implemented by 31st May 2014,so the full complement of New Drivers should be in service by then.
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I have seen the L bus out and may be new drivers as the ones seen had no uniforms on. Possible mechanics but doubt it.
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anyone apply and hear back from DB I see theyve taken their recruitment advert down
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Dublin bus hiring is a good thing, all those who say they would do the job for €20,000 now have there chance to be payed €32,000.
They wont be able to criticize the next time the drivers go on strike.

With all honesty i would say to all bus enthusiasts put your name in for the job.
The beginning when you are spare is a pain , but once marked in the job is decent.
Im a driver and if you have any questions ask here.
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Dublin bus hiring is a good thing, all those who say they would do the job for €20,000 now have there chance to be payed €32,000.
They wont be able to criticize the next time the drivers go on strike.

With all honesty i would say to all bus enthusiasts put your name in for the job.
The beginning when you are spare is a pain , but once marked in the job is decent.
Im a driver and if you have any questions ask here.
I'm a driver too, being spare is a pain, you make it sound like people are only spare for a short while. I'm spare almost 8 years and will be spare for another 7 or 8 years.

So that's a lot of pain
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I'm a driver too, being spare is a pain, you make it sound like people are only spare for a short while. I'm spare almost 8 years and will be spare for another 7 or 8 years.

So that's a lot of pain
I would stop short of calling it "pain".

Sure it can be inconvienient,disruptive and downright mind-numbing when your rostered duty conflicts with some other element of one's life,however I would suggest that the shiftwork nature of Dublin Busdriving actually allows more flexibility than other employments.

However this is all hugely personal,and largely depends upon one's view of the working/living balance.

The ONLY filter,I would suggest an individual need apply,is whether they recognize the FACT that we,as Busdrivers,commit to WORKING when EVERYBODY ELSE is OFF.

IF this causes you to go HMmmmmmm ,then this Job is NOT for you,Full Stop !

This is not Dublin Bus specific and is an intrinsic part of Mass Urban Transit operations worldwide.

Sure it is addressed in different ways by different operators,but I would challenge anybody to find a Capital City Public Transport Operation where Employees enjoy the ability to enjoy the exact same rest & recreation opportunities as their customers.

I regularly hear colleagues speaking about people they know who work for "London Transport" or whatever and who enjoy FAR better hours and conditions of work.....Usually it will be a second or third hand account and will,as a result,have benefitted from much addition and embellishment.

That fact is,that Public Transport Operations worldwide,particularly Busdriving,depends upon having large numbers of employees available at these hours of operation,and these same Operations ALL feature the same scenarios in terms of what we call "Spare" operation.

Some countries work around these requirements by employing Part-Time/Casual driving staff,which tends to be supported by State Supports paid to these individuals based upon their social welfare status.
Thankfully,although some attempts are continually made to deride it,the Dublin Bus Driver positions are FULL-TIME jobs,albeit with different core-hours of availability (IE: Late Thurs-Sun/Fri-Mon).

The numbers of current Staff who are describing these new jobs as Part-Time is,IMO,sad even worrying,as it appears to indicate these people do not know the difference between a FULL-TIME and a PART-TIME Job.

The notion that a person could enter the Job,and spend only a short period on the spare rotas,was only true during a specific period when Staff Turnover was very high.

Dublin Bus has enjoyed a very high Staff Retention ratio for many years now,something which any applicant might perhaps consider as a more accurate barometer of the Job than any amount of "Canteen Talk" or disaffected gasbagging,which tends to form an integral part of any large scale company.

Busdriving today,is a highly focused occupation which entails bringing together many disparate functions and skills.

As Humans,we cannot always manage to combine ALL of these functions effectively ALL of the Time,but the Training and Development regime should allow MOST successful applicants to achieve a high average which can then be maintained and improved upon.

BUT...If you're NOT comfortable with working regular late or week-end duties,then walk-on-by...at some speed !!!!
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I would stop short of calling it "pain".

Sure it can be inconvienient,disruptive and downright mind-numbing when your rostered duty conflicts with some other element of one's life,however I would suggest that the shiftwork nature of Dublin Busdriving actually allows more flexibility than other employments.

However this is all hugely personal,and largely depends upon one's view of the working/living balance.

The ONLY filter,I would suggest an individual need apply,is whether they recognize the FACT that we,as Busdrivers,commit to WORKING when EVERYBODY ELSE is OFF.

IF this causes you to go HMmmmmmm ,then this Job is NOT for you,Full Stop !

This is not Dublin Bus specific and is an intrinsic part of Mass Urban Transit operations worldwide.

Sure it is addressed in different ways by different operators,but I would challenge anybody to find a Capital City Public Transport Operation where Employees enjoy the ability to enjoy the exact same rest & recreation opportunities as their customers.

I regularly hear colleagues speaking about people they know who work for "London Transport" or whatever and who enjoy FAR better hours and conditions of work.....Usually it will be a second or third hand account and will,as a result,have benefitted from much addition and embellishment.

That fact is,that Public Transport Operations worldwide,particularly Busdriving,depends upon having large numbers of employees available at these hours of operation,and these same Operations ALL feature the same scenarios in terms of what we call "Spare" operation.

Some countries work around these requirements by employing Part-Time/Casual driving staff,which tends to be supported by State Supports paid to these individuals based upon their social welfare status.
Thankfully,although some attempts are continually made to deride it,the Dublin Bus Driver positions are FULL-TIME jobs,albeit with different core-hours of availability (IE: Late Thurs-Sun/Fri-Mon).

The numbers of current Staff who are describing these new jobs as Part-Time is,IMO,sad even worrying,as it appears to indicate these people do not know the difference between a FULL-TIME and a PART-TIME Job.

The notion that a person could enter the Job,and spend only a short period on the spare rotas,was only true during a specific period when Staff Turnover was very high.

Dublin Bus has enjoyed a very high Staff Retention ratio for many years now,something which any applicant might perhaps consider as a more accurate barometer of the Job than any amount of "Canteen Talk" or disaffected gasbagging,which tends to form an integral part of any large scale company.

Busdriving today,is a highly focused occupation which entails bringing together many disparate functions and skills.

As Humans,we cannot always manage to combine ALL of these functions effectively ALL of the Time,but the Training and Development regime should allow MOST successful applicants to achieve a high average which can then be maintained and improved upon.

BUT...If you're NOT comfortable with working regular late or week-end duties,then walk-on-by...at some speed !!!!
also add in,fare dodgers,dealing with the public/drunks/junkys.being verbally abused by same, being asked the same stupid questions every single day,
trying to short change you on the ticket price,car and taxis blocking the bus lane,
your last run at night will be full of drunken gob****es,who would rather kill you,than pay the 2/3 euro fare....otherwise tis a grand job
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Can anyone tell me exactly what being Spare means in Bublin Bus.

I'm guessing it means not being on a set roster or route for many years, but how does it work ?

Do you have any set days off that you know you will not be rostered ?

Will you always get a weekend off every 2/3/4 weeks ?

Or is is the case that you get a roster say on Friday for the following week and you have no way of knowing which days, routes or times you will be working until you get this roster ?

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also add in,fare dodgers,dealing with the public/drunks/junkys.being verbally abused by same, being asked the same stupid questions every single day,
trying to short change you on the ticket price,car and taxis blocking the bus lane,
your last run at night will be full of drunken gob****es,who would rather kill you,than pay the 2/3 euro fare....otherwise tis a grand job
All rookie problems, within a year none of it will bother you.
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Can anyone tell me exactly what being Spare means in Bublin Bus.

I'm guessing it means not being on a set roster or route for many years, but how does it work ?

Do you have any set days off that you know you will not be rostered ?

Will you always get a weekend off every 2/3/4 weeks ?

Or is is the case that you get a roster say on Friday for the following week and you have no way of knowing which days, routes or times you will be working until you get this roster ?

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You know which days you are not working, that cant be changed.
You only find out what duty you are working when you get a text around 0930 today to tell you what you are doing tomorrow.
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So realistically, a 5 day rotating roster will be many years away for new entrants.

In the interim you guaranteed days off, I'm guessing will probably be mid week, so no weekends off.

And your hours for working days are only notified the day before.

I have no issue working nights or weekends, but all nights initially and all weekends for many years, and not knowing until the day before if you are on earlys, mid's, late's or a combination, must make life very difficult trying to plan anything around family, childminding, social or other commitments.
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So realistically, a 5 day rotating roster will be many years away for new entrants.

In the interim you guaranteed days off, I'm guessing will probably be mid week, so no weekends off.

And your hours for working days are only notified the day before.

I have no issue working nights or weekends, but all nights initially and all weekends for many years, and not knowing until the day before if you are on earlys, mid's, late's or a combination, must make life very difficult trying to plan anything around family, childminding, social or other commitments.
This is exactly the point I try to make.

The individual must attempt to decide for themselves whether they wish to work within these constraints.....I'd recommend that anybody who sees this form of working as an imposition,really needs to look elsewhere.

Otherwise you will be faced with a Job which you start out hating,and believe me,it will not improve from this level....

Some people however DO find the job quite difficult as Stella Virgo outlines..

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Also add in,fare dodgers,dealing with the public/drunks/junkys.being verbally abused by same, being asked the same stupid questions every single day,
trying to short change you on the ticket price,car and taxis blocking the bus lane,
your last run at night will be full of drunken gob****es,who would rather kill you,than pay the 2/3 euro fare....otherwise tis a grand job
Not to take away from Stella Virgo's points in any way,but "Dealing with the Public" is the essence of the job and cannot be worked around,all of the other elements described can and do occur,but if you end up experiencing it on every journey then something is very much amiss.

IF,however,you can square away the basic compatibility with working hours issue,then it's a damn good job.
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So initially the job will be for 4 nights between Thurs and Mon.

There is a possibility of getting a five day rolling roster, but before you get this you would be spare for many years. (Some are still spare after 8 years)

Spare means guaranteed 2days off which might not be together and will probably be Mon – Fri, so never a weekend off.

You are notified the day before of your shift for the following day which could be early, mid, late or a combination, this would continue to be the case as long as you are spare.

Putting all the other issues aside is my assessment of the job being offered regarding rosters, days off, notification of duty’s etc correct ?

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So initially the job will be for 4 nights between Thurs and Mon.

There is a possibility of getting a five day rolling roster, but before you get this you would be spare for many years. (Some are still spare after 8 years)

Spare means guaranteed 2days off which might not be together and will probably be Mon – Fri, so never a weekend off.

You are notified the day before of your shift for the following day which could be early, mid, late or a combination, this would continue to be the case as long as you are spare.

Putting all the other issues aside is my assessment of the job being offered regarding rosters, days off, notification of duty’s etc correct ?

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No the job being offered is a 4 day week always late duties, always weekends.

There is the possibility of moving to a 5 day week rota, as space becomes available that would be earlies and lates , with 2 days of per week and initially it is a junior spare cycle with one weekend off in 6 weeks. As space becomes available you could move up to the senior spare rota, that is 2 weekends off in 5 weeks.
Then eventually you can get marked in ie follow a particular rota that would be one or two routes.

At present the most senior spare drivers would be 10+ years spare.
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Its a long time since I was in Dublin Bus but I would imagine that it would take longer again to get marked in in say Summerhill or Clontarf than other garages and that an initial marking-in might be on one of the let's say more unsociable routes.
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