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Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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  • #1172
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    jmayo wrote: »
    Did I ever say that farming is perfect or that there does need to be improvements ?
    Pesticides/insecticides are a problem, and that all comes from the issue of trying to attain high yields and cheap prices.

    Ultimately people are paying too little for their food.
    See how food prices have not increased relative to production costs over time.

    And did I ever deny that there is climate change ?

    Don't try and come the smart**se trying to attribute things to me that I never said or wrote.

    If anything farmers and people of a farming background are some of those most tuned into how climate and weather patterns have already changed over the decades.
    The difference between when I was a child in the 70s and today is huge in terms of weather patterns and overall climate.

    But no according to some the only ones that know about that are some scientists and the environmentalist elite ar**holes. :rolleyes:


    No you didn't deny climate change but turn about is fair play as you attributed allot to my comment that i never actually said. You seem to be waiting for a comment on farmers so you could explode, from what you wrote it came across as putting them on a pedestal.

    You don't see the irony in saying that your view point as farming stock is more important than environmentalist and scientists?

    As per my original point we collectively as a society need to discuss it and all options have to be on the table and no sacred cows. That is the reality of what we need to face up to as a society.


  • #1173
    Checkmate19
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Checkmate19


    This stuff is being forced down peoples throats. Yet nobody knows and if you disagree your like a halocaust denier. People have the right to question the science. I for one dont believe alot of it. Without the usa and china and africa not being on board it doesn't really matter much anyway. Alot of countries are buying credits to get around their targets anyway


  • #1174
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Checkmate19 wrote: »
    This stuff is being forced down peoples throats. Yet nobody knows and if you disagree your like a halocaust denier. People have the right to question the science. I for one dont believe alot of it. Without the usa and china and africa not being on board it doesn't really matter much anyway. Alot of countries are buying credits to get around their targets anyway

    Well most people in these threads dont believe the science like you so youre in good company.
    Also nothing is being forced down anyones throats. We are consuming more than ever! We are doing nothing meaningful for the climate or environment problems.


  • #1175
    P_1
    Registered Users Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Solution really is to end humanity. We're basically a parasite of a race who only cause suffering to others in the chase for a few crumbs


  • #1176
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Well most people in these threads dont believe the science like you so youre in good company.
    Also nothing is being forced down anyones throats. We are consuming more than ever! We are doing nothing meaningful for the climate or environment problems.

    This protest isn’t “doing anything meaningful” for climate or environment either.

    Thisna bunch of people detached from the real world who are out making a nuisance of themselves so they can go home and feel smug. They will post on their iPhones, have their heating on, travel in cars and on airplanes, go on holidays. They aren’t willing to live the life they are calling others to endure. They don’t even stick to any principles, many photographed ordering food in McDonalds, supporting a company who drive factory farming, and who give away more cheap tat toys than any other company globally. Plenty of us are actually doing far more for the environment than these conmen can dream of.

    And again with accusing people of being science deniers just because they don’t agree with the extremist reactions this group and others want.


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  • #1177
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Jesus Brian how many people do you know in this movement to know all of them do these things?


  • #1178
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    P_1 wrote: »
    Solution really is to end humanity. We're basically a parasite of a race who only cause suffering to others in the chase for a few crumbs

    I would agree, Planet Earth would probably fare out better without us ok.


  • #1179
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Jesus Brian how many people do you know in this movement to know all of them do these things?

    I’m confident I’m not far off the mark with most of them.

    Or is making generalised statements only for you as you tarnish anyone who disagrees as a science denier.


  • #1180
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    _Brian wrote: »
    I’m confident I’m not far off the mark with most of them.

    Or is making generalised statements only for you as you tarnish anyone who disagrees as a science denier.

    You forgot the 2 yoga holidays in Bali a year. I doubt a lot of them are hardcore either but they just want the government and people to make at least some changes. We can't carry on as is.


  • #1181
    HorrorScope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    You forgot the 2 yoga holidays in Bali a year. I doubt a lot of them are hardcore either but they just want the government and people to make at least some changes. We can't carry on as is

    Yeah evil Ireland with its 0.11% emissions, we need to stop immediately :rolleyes: This is nothing but pissing in to the wind until US, India, Africa and Asia get on board and nothing or nobody will convince me otherwise. Ireland flagellating its people with carbon taxes and going back to the horse and cart is going to save the world huzzah


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  • #1182
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,797 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    HorrorScope wrote:
    Yeah evil Ireland with its 0.11% emissions, we need to stop immediately This is nothing but pissing in to the wind until US, India, Africa and Asia get on board and nothing or nobody will convince me otherwise. Ireland flagellating its people with carbon taxes and going back to the horse and cart is going to save the world huzzah


    We re not going back to the horse and cart, we re ploughing on, it ll be interesting to see what green tech comes from all this


  • #1183
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    You forgot the 2 yoga holidays in Bali a year. I doubt a lot of them are hardcore either but they just want the government and people to make at least some changes. We can't carry on as is.

    The government are making changes, not always the best ones but change is happening.

    That lot just want to be out banging a drum and “sticking it to the man” as they see it in their heads.

    Only incremental change is palatable in developed countries so that is all that will happen. May not be enough but that’s it.

    The climate has already changed significantly and will continue to change significantly, we will somewhat mitigate our impact but not fully unless there is some amazing technological breakthrough.


  • #1184
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    HorrorScope wrote: »
    Yeah evil Ireland with its 0.11% emissions, we need to stop immediately :rolleyes: This is nothing but pissing in to the wind until US, India, Africa and Asia get on board and nothing or nobody will convince me otherwise. Ireland flagellating its people with carbon taxes and going back to the horse and cart is going to save the world huzzah

    Does the continuing loss of biodiversity and the pollution of our waterways and the increasing reliance on cars in ireland not bother you? Or the fact we import millions of tonnes of maize and soy from south america every year to feed irish cattle of which most of is exported as beef and dairy? That sounds like madness to me and like we are destroying whats left of the island.


  • #1185
    HorrorScope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Does the continuing loss of biodiversity and the pollution of our waterways and the increasing reliance on cars in ireland not bother you?

    Nope - pollution of rivers does, reliance on cars doesn’t. Times change, more job creation means more cars on the road. We spent long enough in a ****ing recession not to be anything but positive about that.
    Or the fact we import millions of tonnes of maize and soy from south america every year to feed irish cattle of which most of is exported as beef and dairy? That sounds like madness to me and like we are destroying whats left of the island.

    Nope again but literally couldn’t care less about this one - are you saying import/export is evil? How do you think products get in and out of this country? And I’m not a vegan so couldn’t care what they are fed on as long as they taste good.


  • #1186
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    HorrorScope wrote: »
    Nope - pollution of rivers does, reliance on cars doesn’t. Times change, more job creation means more cars on the road. We spent long enough in a ****ing recession not to be anything but positive about that.



    Nope again but literally couldn’t care less about this one - are you saying import/export is evil? How do you think products get in and out of this country? And I’m not a vegan so couldn’t care what they are fed on as long as they taste good.

    ok so you don't care about any of this stuff I don't even know why you're posting here.


  • #1187
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Does the continuing loss of biodiversity and the pollution of our waterways and the increasing reliance on cars in ireland not bother you? Or the fact we import millions of tonnes of maize and soy from south america every year to feed irish cattle of which most of is exported as beef and dairy? That sounds like madness to me and like we are destroying whats left of the island.

    Intensive farming is a terrible thing, I say that as someone involved in farming all my life, I work with farmers in my job. .

    I would support a limiting stocking rate on land and an end to cages and permanently housed animals. This would reduce pollution, unnecessary production and increase animal welfare.
    It would increase meat and animal product prices to better reflect their intrinsic value and move us away from the notion that meat and animal products are cheap commodities.


  • #1188
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,825 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Fecking nightmare trying to get home random roads blocked around merrion square traffic at a standstill pumping out carbon into the air...had to walk to get my second bus in the lashing rain.
    This is not the way to get people on side.


  • #1189
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    _Brian wrote: »
    Intensive farming is a terrible thing, I say that as someone involved in farming all my life, I work with farmers in my job. .

    I would support a limiting stocking rate on land and an end to cages and permanently housed animals. This would reduce pollution, unnecessary production and increase animal welfare.
    It would increase meat and animal product prices to better reflect their intrinsic value and move us away from the notion that meat and animal products are cheap commodities.

    You have the IFA guy on the radio saying we produce the best beef the cleanest way in the world, and that Mersucor would mean destruction of the rainforests. Meanwhile importing millions of tonnes of soy from land that used to be said rainforests. What the f*ck like. It seems to me we have way way too many animals on this island if we can't even grow the food to feed them all. But people on these boards just seem to want to keep growing the industry and producing more and more.
    If people just stopped expecting to eat meat 3 times a day I'm sure everyone would pay a bit more. Or maybe it's because we produce so much of it that it's so cheap. Limit production, and put land to other uses that would encourage biodiversity.


  • #1190
    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    These dopes were outside Penneys today having a fake fashion show; then they entered the shop as protest while the not-fit-to-wipe Lugs Branigan's boots Garda looked on.


  • #1191
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    vriesmays wrote: »
    These dopes were outside Penneys today having a fake fashion show; then they entered the shop as protest while the not-fit-to-wipe Lugs Branigan's boots Garda looked on.

    So you think the Garda should have beaten the sh*t out of them for demonstrating? Is that the kind of society you want to live in, really?
    The fashion industry is I think the 2nd most polluting industry in the world.


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  • #1192
    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    I would guess most on this thread would want to see the Garda beat the crap of them after invading that shop.


  • #1193
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,797 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Thelonious Monk wrote:
    So you think the Garda should have beaten the sh*t out of them for demonstrating? Is that the kind of society you want to live in, really? The fashion industry is I think the 2nd most polluting industry in the world.


    Yup, some would rather an authoritarian society


  • #1194
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    vriesmays wrote: »
    I would guess most on this thread would want to see the Garda beat the crap of them after invading that shop.

    So you're cool with fast fashion and the damage it does to the environment?
    Do you think people protesting against things in Ireland should be beaten up by the police?


  • #1195
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Saviours of the planet now taking issue with Penny's. Seems the organisers are liars. One of whom was on the Morning Ireland show on Monday claiming they were not going to disrupt the public.


  • #1196
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,797 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Thelonious Monk wrote:
    So you're cool with fast fashion and the damage it does to the environment? Do you think people protesting against things in Ireland should be beaten up by the police?


    To be fair, most of us are having a serious negative effect on the planet via clothing, it's gonna be extremely complicated to unravel this one, but fast fashion certainly isn't helping


  • #1197
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    To be fair, most of us are having a serious negative effect on the planet via clothing, it's gonna be extremely complicated to unravel this one, but fast fashion certainly isn't helping
    Women are wearing far too many clothes anyway .


  • #1198
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Saviours of the planet now taking issue with Penny's. Seems the organisers are liars. One of whom was on the Morning Ireland show on Monday claiming they were not going to disrupt the public.

    People should have an issue with Penney's, it's grotesque the amount of crap they produce, that no one really needs. Poor old billionaire polluting Penney's having to put up with a few kids protesting. Yeah get the police to smash up their faces.


  • #1199
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Fast fashion my ar&e, one of the few stores that offer exceptional value and quality combined. I bought a reefer jacket in Penney's five years ago and it'll last for multiples of that. What a shower of dickheads ! :rolleyes:


  • #1200
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    So you're cool with fast fashion and the damage it does to the environment?
    Do you think people protesting against things in Ireland should be beaten up by the police?

    I have no issues with people legitimately protesting outside Penneys but the second they go inside a private business then the cops need to go in hard. If the line isn't firmly established now then they'll take it as a green light to force their way into offices, public buildings, even people's homes.


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  • #1201
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    railer201 wrote: »
    Fast fashion my ar&e, one of the few stores that offer exceptional value and quality combined. I bought a reefer jacket in Penney's five years ago and it'll last for multiples of that. What a shower of dickheads ! :rolleyes:

    I don't think you are their target customer in that case


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