What people from modern times will be talked about in 1000 years?

Leg End Reject · 29-11-2020 1:37pm

snowstorm445 wrote: »

But there's something unique about the symmetry of the two Elizabeths in British history IMO. The first Elizabeth saw the beginnings of the English/British imperial history and the second Elizabeth saw the end of that period. I think it's far more likely she'll be remembered as overseeing Britain's decline as a world power, although unlike previous monarchs she can hardly be held responsible for that, it'll just be coincidence really.

For me the really interesting part of the current UK royal family has been the press coverage. The old control they had is long gone and they've been exposed as dysfunctional and detached from reality. That, and the collapse of the empire makes them redundant, just trotted out to cut ribbons, make bland speeches etc.

Bowing and curtsying to people who have lost the veneer of being different to the rest of us mere mortals is just bizarre.

Wanderer2010 · 29-11-2020 1:39pm

Tony Holohan.

29-11-2020 2:50pm

The next religious leader to catch the zeitgeist.

whisky_galore · 29-11-2020 3:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She'll be forgotten in 50 years, never mind a millenium.

Way less than 50 years! The circus has moved on. Being forgotten by her followers as we speak, seduced by BooHoo.c om fast fashion and Wish.co m Chinese shyte.
You could see this in interviews with kiddie protestors: government/industry/other people should "do something". Change is for other schmucks.

The Tetrarch · 29-11-2020 6:22pm

The Teletubbies.

McGinniesta · 29-11-2020 8:30pm

I'll be talking about your oul one in 1000 years.

Wibbs · 29-11-2020 8:35pm

Well played sir, well played.

riclad · 29-11-2020 8:48pm

people like bill gates , he is planning to give most of his money to charity.His foundation works to provide funds to help millions of people
to help eliminate malaria and other disease,s in third world countrys.
People will maybe talk about steve jobs as he was behind the invention
of the iphone which is used by millions of people .
Obama will be remembered as the first black president.
i dont think people will remember most of the film stars like tom cruise
or nic cage in 1000 years .

Capt'n Midnight · 29-11-2020 8:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The next religious leader to catch the zeitgeist.

Not many people here remember Hong Xiuquan.

Not everyone agreed that he was the brother of Jesus and by the end of it more people died than in World War I.

the purple tin · 29-11-2020 9:11pm

How fiat currency and central banking was a complete sh*t show.

Conall Cernach · 29-11-2020 9:24pm

riclad wrote: »

people like bill gates , he is planning to give most of his money to charity.His foundation works to provide funds to help millions of people
to help eliminate malaria and other disease,s in third world countrys.
People will maybe talk about steve jobs as he was behind the invention
of the iphone which is used by millions of people .
Obama will be remembered as the first black president.
i dont think people will remember most of the film stars like tom cruise
or nic cage in 1000 years .

1000 years is a very long time I'd say incredibly few people from the current era will be talked about then. Da Vinci died 500 years ago and that seems like so long ago, how many artists from 500 years before that can anyone name never mind talk about?

The USA itself may not be around in 1000 years so to most people it could be as well known as the Byzantine Empire nowadays i.e. something you may have heard of but only specialised scholars would know its presidents.

I can't see anyone talking about Steve Jobs, technology will have advanced so far from the Iphone that it will be some weird esoteric device. How many people today know who Samuel Morse was and he is dead only 150 years or so?

growleaves · 29-11-2020 10:10pm

The Lord of the Rings, Brothers Grimm tales from 19th century

the purple tin · 29-11-2020 11:46pm

Conall Cernach wrote: »

1000 years is a very long time I'd say incredibly few people from the current era will be talked about then. Da Vinci died 500 years ago and that seems like so long ago, how many artists from 500 years before that can anyone name never mind talk about?

The USA itself may not be around in 1000 years so to most people it could be as well known as the Byzantine Empire nowadays i.e. something you may have heard of but only specialised scholars would know its presidents.

I can't see anyone talking about Steve Jobs, technology will have advanced so far from the Iphone that it will be some weird esoteric device. How many people today know who Samuel Morse was and he is dead only 150 years or so?

Will there be any fictional characters remembered in 1000 years I wonder?
Like we would remember Robin Hood, The Fianna etc now.

Sarcozies · 30-11-2020 12:08am

Very few people today would be able to name many people from 1,000 years ago, let alone with any real insight into them.

Neil Armstrong will probably be the most likely candidate for people in the year 3000 to be able to name. Hitler would be next I'd imagine. The first man on Mars will be up there when it happens.

Wibbs · 30-11-2020 12:43am

Sarcozies wrote: »

Very few people today would be able to name many people from 1,000 years ago, let alone with any real insight into them.

Well part of that, at least in the West(ME people would know a few), is that records from 1000 years ago were still pretty scant. Go back before that to Rome and we know a load of names, because more people were being recorded by more writers and were making waves. Nero, Cleopatra, Tacitus, Caligula, Julius Caesar, Cicero, Marc Antony, Claudius, Cleopatra, Pliny. Most people on teh street would know at least three of those. When times are good and stuff is being recorded we have more names that come down to us. We know of Leo DaVinci because of the Renaissance where just those conditions were in place. Never mind the advent of printing that started to record more and more people, places and things.

Interestingly oul Leo avoided printing like the plague. Didn't want a bar of it. LIke I dunno a top scientist and artist today avoiding the interwebs. Though as a favour to a mate of his he did design the frontispiece for his book. He was apparently dead sound that way with his mates. But we know about Leo because other people started committing his name and works to books.

irishguitarlad · 30-11-2020 12:46am

Daniel o Donnell

Invidious · 30-11-2020 11:18am

Sarcozies wrote: »

Very few people today would be able to name many people from 1,000 years ago, let alone with any real insight into them.

I'd say only a small minority could name a single influential individual who was alive in 1220. The closest would probably be Richard I (Richard the Lionheart) who died in 1199.

snowstorm445 · 30-11-2020 1:59pm

Invidious wrote: »

I'd say only a small minority could name a single influential individual who was alive in 1220. The closest would probably be Richard I (Richard the Lionheart) who died in 1199.

Genghis Khan? Although I doubt many people are aware what dates these people specifically lived in. We generally remember people coming from certain ages if you go back far enough, as opposed to centuries - for Europeans, the Middle Ages, Dark Ages, Antiquity/Classical World etc.

Might well be the same in the future, although what they'd call our "Age" is anyone's guess. The Atomic Age? The Information Age?

30-11-2020 2:01pm

snowstorm445 wrote: »

Genghis Khan? Although I doubt many people are aware what dates these people specifically lived in. We generally remember people coming from certain ages if you go back far enough, as opposed to centuries - for Europeans, the Middle Ages, Dark Ages, Antiquity/Classical World etc.

Might well be the same in the future, although what they'd call our "Age" is anyone's guess. The Atomic Age? The Information Age?

Pre Calamity Age.

Wibbs · 30-11-2020 2:22pm

The age of change maybe. If someone was born in 1900 and lived to be 100, they would have seen more changes in tech and the implications of that on wider society than just about any other person in history. They'd have seen manned flight going from balloons to landing on the moon, never mind flight for all(my own father saw biplanes as a kid and saw the moon landing and watched a space shuttle launch). Mass communication from radio(which had just been recently invented) through television, the internet and now billions across the world being able to talk with each other no matter where they are pretty much. From analogue to digital another massive change. The car going from a toy for a tiny number of the rich to swarming across the planet. Splitting the atom and using that power. In medicine antibiotics and mass vaccinations that reduced death tolls by massive amounts. In the world of art everything changed(kinda ran out of steam post the 70's mind you). Religions losing power and influence in the West. Then we have the social changes like drives for equality along race and gender and sexuality lines(or at least the dream of it). Politics shifted massively too. Communism and Fascism came and went and left a trail of destruction and some innovation in their wakes. European colonialism fell. Consumerism went through the roof. The financial world changed radically.

Wibbs · 30-11-2020 2:32pm

thomil wrote: »

I‘d be willing to argue that we‘re in the middle of a Second Dark Age and have been since 1914. If you look at it, apart from a massive regression of knowledge and critical thought, as well as a massive lack of written records, the Dark Ages were mainly dominated by the collapse of the existing major powers and the emergence of new power blocks in their place after a period of sustained strife and war.

Yes and no. The dark ages is an inaccurate and lazy term the more we look at it and was much more about later academics pining for the loss of the Classical world until it's "rebirth"(literally) with the renaissance. And that loss was only in Western Europe, Rome and her knowledge continued on in Byzantium(which the later Islamic empire was able to get inspired by). And it survived in pockets in Western Europe, not least in Ireland. Sustained strife wasn't very sustained at all. EG within a few hundred years of the fall of Rome food production was up and at higher levels than it had been in Rome.

Secondly in our time records have never been higher in the history of the planet. Analogue and digital.

olestoepoke · 30-11-2020 2:32pm

Bob Dylan

Littlehorny · 30-11-2020 2:41pm

Conall Cernach wrote: »

1000 years is a very long time I'd say incredibly few people from the current era will be talked about then. Da Vinci died 500 years ago and that seems like so long ago, how many artists from 500 years before that can anyone name never mind talk about?

The USA itself may not be around in 1000 years so to most people it could be as well known as the Byzantine Empire nowadays i.e. something you may have heard of but only specialised scholars would know its presidents.

I can't see anyone talking about Steve Jobs, technology will have advanced so far from the Iphone that it will be some weird esoteric device. How many people today know who Samuel Morse was and he is dead only 150 years or so?

Agreed, I would say the 20th century itself will be remembered more so than the people than were alive during it.
As a species we took to the air in planes, the micro chip was invented, the atomic bomb, space travel and exploration, our understanding of so much came about in the last 100 years.

flasher0030 · 30-11-2020 2:51pm

Simon Cowell - The King of the entertainers. (Or Sir Simon Cowell as he will be known as by then. Maybe even St. Simon. Who knows).

And lest they forget in 1,000 years, the bronze statue of Simon outside the film studios in London will serve a reminder.

IAMAMORON · 30-11-2020 2:54pm

It depends if we survive the era of information overload?

Nothing is guaranteed or should be taken for granted, that includes the next 1,000 years.

LordBasil · 30-11-2020 3:23pm

Compared to how we view a 1000 years ago, people looking back a 1000 years from now will have much more material to study thanks to photos, films, recordings etc. Hard to know really, if I had to guess I'd say;

Barack Obama; 1st African-American President
Neil Armstrong & Co; First men on the Moon
Depending on how things develop possibly Vladimir Putin & Xi Jinping
Queen Elizabeth II for her longevity if nothing else
Margaret Thatcher as UK's first Female PM and her economic policies.
Steve Jobs - revolutionised handheld technology
Bill Gates
Nelson Mandela - as Africa grows in wealth & power he'll be revered more and more.
Film Stars - depending on what type of films endure then, I think some of Hollywood Golden Era figures will be remembered eg. Marilyn Monroe, Bette Davis, James Stewart
If Christmas still a thing, possibly the likes of Mariah Carey, George Michael, Bing Crosby and so on.
Sport: Unlikely anyone will be remembered much as records will be matched and broken in centuries ahead.
Music: The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Bowie, Elvis, Madonna, Queen, Motown Artists (Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye etc) - they'll be studied in music schools and as part of cultural history.

Ireland: Hard to know what Irish people will be remembered but I think Sean Lemass as Ireland's most progressive Taoiseach, Mary Robinson as Ireland's first female President, Gerry Adams/John Hume/Bertie for GFA, Brian Cowen for the economic collapse in 2008-2010, Leo Varadkar for being first openly gay and mixed race Taoiseach and handling 1st wave of COVID 19 Pandemic all have a good shout.

Or maybe no-one will be remembered because there won't be a human race left.....

Invidious · 30-11-2020 5:32pm

^ I think you're being very optimistic there.

Without googling, how many British prime ministers can you name before Winston Churchill?

Minor figures like Brian Cowan will barely be remembered in 50 years' time, let alone 1000.

iamstop · 30-11-2020 5:32pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hitler, Mao and Stalin. History seems to place more importance on remembering genocidal maniacs.

Most people forget about this deplorable person
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium

Some other I think will be remembered who I've not seen mentioned:
Banksy - The mystery only adds to the intrigue
Gaudi - The Cathedral should be finished in 100 years and hopefully still standing.
James Brown and George Clinton - Not just for their own bodies of work and contributions to music but also for the shear volume of derivative works made from sampling them.
Prince - The massive volume of work he composed will be studied much like Bach and Beethoven is now.

A lot of history is viewed with certain lenses. Some people who were vilified in their day get canonized over time by people cherry picking aspect of their lives that fits a narrative.
History can be kind to some and quite mean and unfair to others.
People like Churchill is remembered fat too favorably. The same could be argued for Guevara, Guy Fawkes and John Lennon.

whisky_galore · 30-11-2020 6:01pm

Invidious wrote: »

^ I think you're being very optimistic there.

Without googling, how many British prime ministers can you name before Winston Churchill?

Minor figures like Brian Cowan will barely be remembered in 50 years' time, let alone 1000.

Peel, Disraeli, Gladstone, Asquith, Lloyd George.

LordBasil · 30-11-2020 6:25pm

Invidious wrote: »

^ I think you're being very optimistic there.

Without googling, how many British prime ministers can you name before Winston Churchill?

Minor figures like Brian Cowan will barely be remembered in 50 years' time, let alone 1000.

Re; UK PMs - Quite a few actually; Disraeli, Gladstone, Lloyd George, Duke of Wellington, Walpole, Chamberlain, Baldwin

Re: Cowen - Well maybe not him specifically but the economic/financial collapse of the country was historic and unprecedented. I think we suffered the worst impact of the 2008 financial crisis of any country. The robbery of every person in the state to bailout billionaire bondholders will live long in the nation's memory.

What people from modern times will be talked about in 1000 years?

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