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14-05-2019, 18:59   #31
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14-05-2019, 19:00   #32
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Post partum literally means 'of a mother post birth'. Post partum depression is the depression of a mother, post birth.

Men do not get it, unless you're one of those few men who have babies. Something of a contradiction in terms to many.

I suppose you could lobby Theroux to make a documentary about that, since programmes about post partum depression as defined seem to upset a few.
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Its an unsafe environment for children, they are putting the kids at risk, would only take a second to do something to a child, no amount of supervision can stop that. It's in the child's best interest to be at home with the father or any other stable adult.

I wouldn't condone children being left with a father who had mental health problems either, no matter how helpful in their recovery

What are you basing that on? Are you some kind of expert on this issue or do you think you know more than the clinical team caring for these patients?
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I think that poster is conflating post partum psychosis with post partum depression.
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There was an especially interesting talk with the clinical psychologist Dr Paul D'Alton on RTÉ's Drivetime yesterday. He was presenting an overview of the enormous field of medical evidence on the importance of stability and love in the first three years of a child's life with the emphasis on how this is affecting homeless children in Ireland today. It was a very, very disturbing listen - not least because every parent will be thinking about how they could have been better - and I got the strong impression that we are brewing up a storm when these kids grow up:

Paul D'Alton on RTÉ's Drivetime: Homeless children
Post partum depression is a very common condition. It does not prevent a mother from providing "stability and love", especially when being treated which it appears it was in the documentary being discussed. Dont you think that removing children from the care of their mothers causes a lot more problems? It's known that it does.
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14-05-2019, 20:32   #36
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What are you basing that on? Are you some kind of expert on this issue or do you think you know more than the clinical team caring for these patients?
I'm basing it on watching the show, one of the mother's went missing in an apparent suicide attempt. Others where in no fit state to mind anyone. They had serious mental health issues. Why should the children be put at risk like that? The childrens interest should come first. They all had a loving stable parent at home, who was in a far better position to offer the love and nurturing needed for the child

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Maybe, as she is an adult they asked her directly if she was smoking or drinking, why would they ask you? You are not their patient.
Correct I'm not, however if she goes in with a cold/flu not pregnant they don't ask her does she feel safe. Why not?
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I'm basing it on watching the show, one of the mother's went missing in an apparent suicide attempt. Others where in no fit state to mind anyone. They had serious mental health issues. Why should the children be put at risk like that? The childrens interest should come first. They all had a loving stable parent at home, who was in a far better position to offer the love and nurturing needed for the child
That lady was supervised 24/7 and only left the facility after being allowed free time on her own in the grounds.

None of the women interviewed in the programme wanted to hurt their baby. Even the Spanish women with psychosis wanted to harm herself and not the child.

At the end of the documentary all but one were well on the way to recovery and none had hurt their baby, either at the facility or at home afterwards, so to be fair their treatment does seem to have worked.
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It's a bizarre post. "Why didn't they ask me if she drinks/smokes/is coping?" Wtf?
??? Why is it a bizarre post? She's being treated differently as she is carrying our child. Am I not entitled to the same duty of care as she is, being asked these additional questions due to being pregnant with our child.
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Correct I'm not, however if she goes in with a cold/flu not pregnant they don't ask her does she feel safe. Why not?
Probably because it is known that domestic abuse escalates and sometimes even first begins during pregnancy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2442136/

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Violence can begin or escalate in pregnancy and has significant consequences for the woman, fetus and child. Questioning pregnant women about the presence of violence and offering referral to a secondary agency can help to break the pattern of abuse.
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12.9% of 481 women at antenatal booking assessment in Ireland gave a history of experiencing intimate partner abuse3

Studies that ask about violence more than once during detailed in-person interviews or ask later in pregnancy (during the third trimester) report higher prevalence rates, suggesting that disclosure rates may depend on trust in the questioner, and that pregnancy may lead to new or increased violence.9

The WHO recently published its findings from a large multi-national study of women and abuse.10 The prevalence of physical violence in pregnancy was reported by women at between 1–28% in 15 different countries. Between a quarter and a half of these women experienced direct trauma to the abdomen during pregnancy. Over 90% of the assailants were the biological father of the unborn child.
Now, I'm sure you'll agree that identifying at risk women and babies is more important than your hurt feelings over not being consulted on certain aspects of your partners health?

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??? Why is it a bizarre post? She's being treated differently as she is carrying our child. Am I not entitled to the same duty of care as she is, being asked these additional questions due to being pregnant with our child.
Wtf? She's actually carrying the child and you feel you're "entitled" to the same duty of care? They'll ask her how she's coping and if she's drinking/smoking.
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??? Why is it a bizarre post? She's being treated differently as she is carrying our child. Am I not entitled to the same duty of care as she is, being asked these additional questions due to being pregnant with our child.
OK, I'm not sure I'm taking you up right, so let me get it straight. You feel aggrieved that your partner, carrying your child, under the care of a maternity hospital, was asked if she was ever harmed by you or was in fear of you?

Or you feel aggrieved that you weren't asked if your partner was smoking or drinking when they could just ask her directly?

Or you feel aggrieved that you weren't asked if you were ever harmed by your partner?
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Probably because it is known that domestic abuse escalates and sometimes even first begins during pregnancy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2442136/
Always happy to learn, da fuq?

There's me helping as much as I can with fruit and veg intake and making chicken broths.
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??? Why is it a bizarre post? She's being treated differently as she is carrying our child. Am I not entitled to the same duty of care as she is, being asked these additional questions due to being pregnant with our child.
No, no you are not entitled to the same duty of care as your pregnant wife. She being pregnant and all.
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No, no you are not entitled to the same duty of care as your pregnant wife. She being pregnant and all.
She's being afforded this additional duty of care not for herself but because of our child.
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