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All year residential mobile home parks?

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    #62
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    brisan wrote: »
    I agree but a well insulated modern mobile home does not come cheap.
    One problem I see is landlords buying cheap ones and renting them out even though they may not be up to standard
    However a well run well maintained park with adequate laundry facilities and a high standard of mobile home / chalet is a good way of addressing a section of the housing crisis. Allow people to get on the lower end of the property market

    luckily there is a standard to prove one is properly suited for residential living : BS 3632 :2015 , we have too many laws expecting landlords to be absolute scum , its really simple , make it the law that any home in a residential park has to comply to that standard , and educate potential tenants on asking for the certificate from the manufacturer that says as much, job done.

    they may not be cheap-cheap but even a 60k home on a site rented out for 6/700 a month would pay for itself quick.


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    #63
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    luckily there is a standard to prove one is properly suited for residential living : BS 3632 :2015 , we have too many laws expecting landlords to be absolute scum , its really simple , make it the law that any home in a residential park has to comply to that standard , and educate potential tenants on asking for the certificate from the manufacturer that says as much, job done.

    they may not be cheap-cheap but even a 60k home on a site rented out for 6/700 a month would pay for itself quick.

    We have too many laws expecting landlords to be absolute scum because many were and many would be if the law allowed
    I can remember some of the bedsits with shared bedrooms being rented out in Rathmines , Rathgar , Drumcondra in the late 70s early 80s
    Landlords never visited , rents left in cash in envelopes in a post box and if you complained you were out on your ear
    Never had to do it myself but know plenty that did
    Even posh areas like Clontarf had slum landlords


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    #64
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    brisan wrote: »
    We have too many laws expecting landlords to be absolute scum because many were and many would be if the law allowed
    I can remember some of the bedsits with shared bedrooms being rented out in Rathmines , Rathgar , Drumcondra in the late 70s early 80s
    Landlords never visited , rents left in cash in envelopes in a post box and if you complained you were out on your ear
    Never had to do it myself but know plenty that did
    Even posh areas like Clontarf had slum landlords

    absolutely, but providing a lot more choice means landlords have to compete for tenants, setting the standards up to astronomical levels only ends up leaving the really ruthless ones in the system.

    If you re-allowed bedsits and decent static home parks, you'd have a ready made influx of property to the rental market, which with pressure seriously eased would result in the dregs not having many tenants to appeal to.


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    #65
    titan18
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    Ish66 wrote: »
    A bit of thought, some extra insulation and a pot belly stove and you could make it very cozy even in the coldest Irish winter.

    Considering that the one we have was about 40k when bought new (several years ago), has central heating and is quite modern, I'd hate to see what one that's suitable to live in year round would cost.

    Never mind that the extra wear of living it in year round will destroy the floorboards in them.


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    #66
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    titan18 wrote: »
    Considering that the one we have was about 40k when bought new (several years ago), has central heating and is quite modern, I'd hate to see what one that's suitable to live in year round would cost.

    Never mind that the extra wear of living it in year round will destroy the floorboards in them.

    https://www.willerby.com/park-homes/our-range/delamere this is a pretty high end one and seems to run around 70k sterling.


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    #67
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Irish_peppa wrote: »
    Wonder what would happen if you arrived at a halting site with a caravan and casually parked up in a free spot. I guess in theory you would be allowed or would you have to give some sort of evidence you were a genuine traveller?




    cultural appropriation :)


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    #68
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Ive a friend who lives in one out the back of his parents. Its a nioce big one with 3 bedrooms in it and a large sitting room area.
    We often go down to visit him for a session or a game of cards because we can make as much noise as we want and noone else gets bothered. A few nights after a heavy session some of the lads who live far away even stay the night.

    Anyway we've often been there in the winter. He has a 2KW oil filled radiator which keeps the whole van nice and toasty even in the depths of winter. Id say going full blast 24 hours a day that heater wouldnt cost you even €5 per day. And how many months of the year would you need the heating on full blast?

    Heating is not a problem in them. So id say yes you can live in them all year round.


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    #69
    starbaby2003
    Registered Users Posts: 664 ✭✭✭starbaby2003


    Not just single people living in them. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/families-face-homelessness-amid-caravan-park-closure-1.2768720


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    #70
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    starbaby2003 wrote: »
    Not just single people living in them. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/families-face-homelessness-amid-caravan-park-closure-1.2768720

    600 a month is an ideal amount of rent for a single person or young couple in their own space. It should really be allowed.


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    #71
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Are we too fussy in Ireland about the type of house we live in? Surely this sort of build would suit a lot of people. Childless couples/retired couples/single people etc.

    80 grand would probably get you finished to a good standard.

    Cost of sites is bonkers and would be a hindrance but we could have these type of houses in estates.

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    https://www.timberliving.ie/product-page/leinster-timber-frame


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    #72
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    correct but in America really cold winters are -10/20 degrees, Many parts of North Carolina have trailer parks and their winters (similar to here) rarely get below -1/-2 at night.

    There are perfectly good winter / residential spec static homes available and I think the only reason we don't allow proper liveable mobile home parks is because travellers may try legitimise an illegal halting site.

    it would be a great option for low cost accommodation for younger people or those on lower incomes.

    winter spec is like 80-100k, just buy a house for that price.

    It deosnt really matter if the average is not that bad, its the spikes that will make living in a summer mobile complete torture

    2019 -5.9
    2018 -7
    2017 -6.6
    2016 -7.3
    2015 -7.9
    2014 -7.5
    2013 -7.6
    2012 -6.7
    2011 -8.3
    2010 -17.5
    2009 -10.0
    2008 -7.7


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    #73
    Spanish Eyes
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    If only log cabins could meet the building regs etc. They could but there doesn't seem to be much interest in making it so.

    I know I've got rose tinted glasses on but they are visually great and if well insulated and comply with the regs could be assembled in two weeks and provide some very nice housing for those who don't need a four bed semi on a housing estate.

    The will is not there to do it. Developers and bricks and mortar FTW. I don't understand it myself. I see some amazing log cabins in freezing Scandi countries, and I realise this is because they meet insulation regs. Can be done here too.


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    #74
    ted1
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    titan18 wrote: »
    Considering that the one we have was about 40k when bought new (several years ago), has central heating and is quite modern, I'd hate to see what one that's suitable to live in year round would cost.

    Never mind that the extra wear of living it in year round will destroy the floorboards in them.

    Floorboards? They have a plyboard base. Hard wearing but easily replaceable


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    #75
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,261 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    600 a month is an ideal amount of rent for a single person or young couple in their own space. It should really be allowed.

    you’d get a house in many counties for that price


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    #76
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Are we too fussy in Ireland about the type of house we live in? Surely this sort of build would suit a lot of people. Childless couples/retired couples/single people etc.

    80 grand would probably get you finished to a good standard.

    Cost of sites is bonkers and would be a hindrance but we could have these type of houses in estates.

    8d8ae4_0a73066c4a2d4d84bdbedfd3aad14732~mv2.webp

    https://www.timberliving.ie/product-page/leinster-timber-frame


    Do they meet all the onerous but necessary building regs? Is planning granted easily for them?

    They look great, but I think there is resistance to these either from purchaser/council or both I dunno.

    And then there is the local needs thing that stops a lot of people from getting planning on a site purchased outside of their own area.

    Wonder why councils do not build these (the prices!) on land they own. There must be a catch!


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    #77
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ted1 wrote: »
    you’d get a house in many counties for that price

    a second hand house. You wouldn't build a 2 bedroom 1000sq ft (as those static homes are) house for under 100k here using traditional methods. you could easily purchase 5 acres of agri land and put in 15-20 proper winterised, residential spec static homes for under 100k a pop and rent them out at an affordable amount, still leaving people with a lot of green area, space for 2 cars and gardens front and back. Which would be much more ideal for low income workers and young professionals than whats currently on offer.


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    #78
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Was gutting our house n putting on an extension around 4 years ago. We bought a mobile for 2500 delivered and lived in it for the guts of a year. Was in it over a really cold winter and it was no bother but we put in a little stove n it made all the difference. Sold it on after n it cost around under 2k for a years living.

    Was too warm at night in the summer more than anything else!


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    #79
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,261 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    a second hand house. You wouldn't build a 2 bedroom 1000sq ft (as those static homes are) house for under 100k here using traditional methods. you could easily purchase 5 acres of agri land and put in 15-20 proper winterised, residential spec static homes for under 100k a pop and rent them out at an affordable amount, still leaving people with a lot of green area, space for 2 cars and gardens front and back. Which would be much more ideal for low income workers and young professionals than whats currently on offer.

    No, but you’d rent one. They aren’t 1000 ss ft

    They are approx 36*12=432 sq ft

    You would struggle to get permission to put them on agri land and rent them out


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    #80
    [Deleted User]
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    I know plenty who lived in mobile homes for a year or two while building a house including myself as new born my first home was a mobile for the first 2.5 years of my life as my parents were building their house. No issues living in them over winter they have central heating.


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    #81
    Orlak2410
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Stepping Stone wrote: »
    You should see the damage done to them after winter storms in areas that aren’t sheltered. They literally get torn apart. It’s just not a safe environment to live in year round.

    My parents had one in wexford when I was growing up and it used to be fine when we would go down after the winter. That's where I'm getting the idea from.


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    #82
    Orlak2410
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭Orlak2410


    brisan wrote: »
    You will not find them in areas with really cold winters

    Trailer park boys is set in nova scotia and that would get worse winters than us. I know it's a TV show but obviously there are trailer parks there for them to base the show on.


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    #83
    Orlak2410
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭Orlak2410


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    600 a month is an ideal amount of rent for a single person or young couple in their own space. It should really be allowed.

    Maybe I have got the ball rolling on a new idea and good solution to the housing crisis


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    #84
    TheMilkyPirate
    Registered Users Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    I know 5 people who have lived in mobile homes over winter while either saving for a mortgage or while house is being built. One of my mates lived in a mobile home for 4 years in his parents back garden, was in it plenty of times. No issue with cold he had an oil heater in it


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    #85
    Caranica
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    Orlak2410 wrote: »
    Maybe I have got the ball rolling on a new idea and good solution to the housing crisis

    New??? Solution???

    Sorry OP but it's neither


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    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Do they meet all the onerous but necessary building regs? Is planning granted easily for them?

    They look great, but I think there is resistance to these either from purchaser/council or both I dunno.

    And then there is the local needs thing that stops a lot of people from getting planning on a site purchased outside of their own area.

    Wonder why councils do not build these (the prices!) on land they own. There must be a catch!

    They are A rated for energy so presume well built and would meet building regs. The council don't build any houses as far as I'm aware.

    Builders would probably be up in arms as they would not make as much profit building these. If lots of them were put up would proably affect the housing market so vested interest wouldn't want that either.


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    #87
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    60 to 80 grand on a caravan as a solution to the housing crisis is silly.

    Either its a caravan salesman or one of them silly people who know nothing but think they can arrive into a room full of specialists with a solution they made up off the top of their heads.

    How long will a caravan last. Whats the price on a lot.

    How much would a rural 2 bed cottage set you back. How often would that need to be replaced.


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    #88
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,261 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    60 to 80 grand on a caravan as a solution to the housing crisis is silly.

    Either its a caravan salesman or one of them silly people who know nothing but think they can arrive into a room full of specialists with a solution they made up off the top of their heads.

    How long will a caravan last. Whats the price on a lot.

    How much would a rural 2 bed cottage set you back. How often would that need to be replaced.

    Sewage/ septic tank , water, electricity all need to be provided too which add Costs


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    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Orlak2410 wrote: »
    Maybe I have got the ball rolling on a new idea and good solution to the housing crisis

    534 posts about mobile homes in A & P stretching back 14 years.

    Sorry OP.


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    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    TheMilkyPirate wrote: »
    I know 5 people who have lived in mobile homes over winter while either saving for a mortgage or while house is being built. One of my mates lived in a mobile home for 4 years in his parents back garden, was in it plenty of times. No issue with cold he had an oil heater in it

    Mate of mine had one and it was grand when the heating was on. Once it's off at night it was fecking Baltic.


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    awec
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Mate of mine had one and it was grand when the heating was on. Once it's off at night it was fecking Baltic.

    Yes, they heat up really quickly, and cool down just as quickly when you turn the heat off.


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